Is THIS what we want?

[oldmandiscer]

Imagine all of the layups and half-hearted "attempts" to put it within a few feet.

Just like ball golf!

So exciting!

By the way Old Guy, many people have thought about this chainless basket.

We have one at a local private course.

It's a gimmick.

Did I say chainless? Nope, not ever. As a joke I did say we could use trash cans, no pole. That would be actually difficult. We simply need to go shorter and narrower. Not bigger and bigger like the trend!

Even Bullseye baskets work as we've seen. But maybe they bounce out at higher speeds too much so that might not be optimal (for aces to stick).

 

[oldmandiscer]

how many NBA players shoot 75% from the line? That's terrible.

Back in the day I was about 95% from the line.

Sure bud. Quit lying.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ft_pct_career.html

1. Stephen Curry .9072
2. Steve Nash* .9043
3. Mark Price .9039
4. Peja Stojaković .8948
5. Chauncey Billups .8940
6. Ray Allen* .8939
7. Rick Barry* .8931
8. Damian Lillard .8930
9. J.J. Redick .8920
10. Calvin Murphy* .8916
11. Scott Skiles .8891
12. Reggie Miller* .8877
13. Larry Bird* .8857
14. Bill Sharman* .8831
15. Kevin Durant .8823
16. Dirk Nowitzki .8787
17. Kyrie Irving .8777
Khris Middleton .8777
19. Jeff Hornacek .8770
20. Kyle Korver .8769
21. Earl Boykins .8758
22. Ricky Pierce .8755
23. Danilo Gallinari .8748
24. Terrell Brandon .8732
25. Bill Keller .8723
Isaiah Thomas .8723
27. Chris Paul .8719
28. Kiki Vandeweghe .8717
29. Darrell Armstrong .8714
30. Jeff Malone .8711
31. Mo Williams .8708
32. Kevin Martin .8704
33. Hersey Hawkins .8698
34. Mike Newlin .8695
35. Micheal Williams .8680
Rank Player FT%
36. Devin Booker .8675
37. D.J. Augustin .8660
38. Chris Mullin* .8655
39. Charles Beasley .8639
40. Allan Houston .8634
41. Mack Calvin .8632
42. Luke Ridnour .8623
43. John Long .8622
44. Jamal Crawford .8619
45. Sam Cassell .8608
46. Wally Szczerbiak .8599
47. Bojan Bogdanović .8595
48. James Harden .8585
49. Dana Barros .8578
50. Fred Brown .8575
51. Ben Gordon .8567
52. Kawhi Leonard .8562
53. Jarrett Jack .8554
54. James Silas .8550
55. Larry Siegfried .8545
56. Reggie Jackson .8543
57. Mario Elie .8540
58. Derek Anderson .8526
59. Darren Collison .8525
60. Randy Foye .8516
61. Richard Hamilton .8515
62. Darel Carrier .8513
63. Tony Jackson .8511
64. Walter Davis .8509
65. Mitch Richmond* .8501
66. Jack Sikma* .8494
67. Dolph Schayes* .8492
68. Michael Adams .8486
Kelly Tripucka .8486
70. Magic Johnson* .8479
Rank Player FT%
Danny Granger .8479
72. Spud Webb .8476
73. Paul George .8475
74. Caron Butler .8470
75. Danny Ainge .8465
76. Flynn Robinson .8461
Junior Bridgeman .8461
78. Marco Belinelli .8458
Glen Rice .8458
80. Jason Terry .8453
81. Steve Smith .8452
82. Jeff Teague .8439
83. Dell Curry .8435
84. Joe Dumars* .8433
Jack Marin .8433
86. Mike Gminski .8431
87. Ricky Sobers .8430
88. Brian Winters .8424
89. Nicolas Batum .8414
90. Larry Costello .8412
91. Bryant Stith .8411
92. George Gervin* .8410
93. Ricky Rubio .8409
94. Lou Williams .8408
Skeeter Swift .8408
96. Kevin Johnson .8405
97. Eddie Johnson .8402
98. Rolando Blackman .8401
99. Bill Bradley* .8398
100. Kemba Walker .8395
101. Michael Redd .8382
102. Adrian Smith .8377
Oscar Robertson* .8377
104. Kobe Bryant* .8369
105. Bill Laimbeer .8368
Rank Player FT%
106. Ron Boone .8366
107. Jimmy Butler .8361
108. Terry Porter .8359
109. Nick Young .8356
110. Michael Jordan* .8353
111. Cuttino Mobley .8349
112. Arthur Becker .8347
113. Keith Van Horn .8346
114. John Brisker .8344
115. Allen Leavell .8338
116. Jo Jo White* .8337
117. Doug Collins .8332
118. Damon Stoudamire .8329
119. Byron Scott .8328
Yao Ming* .8328
Karl-Anthony Towns .8328
122. Michael Cooper .8326
123. Alex English* .8319
124. Jim McMillian .8317
125. Nikola Jokić .8316
Brandon Bass .8316
127. DeMar DeRozan .8313
128. John Beasley .8307
129. Sidney Moncrief* .8305
130. Howard Komives .8295
131. Jimmy Walker .8291
132. Kenny Smith .8287
133. Bob Weiss .8283
134. Kevin Love .8282
135. Dennis Schröder .8281
136. Brad Davis .8276
137. Derrick Rose .8275
138. Billy Knight .8272
139. Cazzie Russell .8268
140. Manu Ginóbili .8266
Rank Player FT%
141. Reggie Theus .8262
142. John Stockton* .8261
143. Gordon Hayward .8257
Zach LaVine .8257
Kenny Sears .8257
John Williamson .8257
147. Tobias Harris .8251
148. Jim Jackson .8250
149. Arron Afflalo .8249
150. Reggie Lewis .8244
151. Andrea Bargnani .8241
152. Wesley Matthews .8237
153. Dick Snyder .8236
Purvis Short .8236
Rodney Stuckey .8236
156. Fred Schaus .8229
Brent Barry .8229
158. Corey Maggette .8225
159. Steve Jones .8224
160. Dave Gambee .8223
161. Deron Williams .8218
162. Jerry Stackhouse .8215
163. Frankie Brian .8214
164. Leandro Barbosa .8213
165. Doug Christie .8211
Jan van Breda Kolff .8211
167. Johnny Davis .8207
168. Dave Twardzik .8206
169. Christian Laettner .8205
170. Pete Maravich* .8204
171. Paul Westphal* .8200
172. Louie Dampier* .8198
Stephen Chubin .8198
174. Phil Ford .8196
Glenn Robinson .8196
Rank Player FT%
176. Mike Conley .8195
Rick Mount .8195
James Posey .8195
179. Bradley Beal .8181
Adrian Dantley* .8181
Fred Scolari .8181
182. Red Robbins .8177
183. Freddie Lewis .8173
184. Mervin Jackson .8172
185. Derek Fisher .8169
186. David West .8167
187. Kevin Grevey .8166
188. Sedale Threatt .8153
189. Sleepy Floyd .8148
John Havlicek* .8148
191. Jeff Mullins .8144
192. Stu Lantz .8138
193. Larry Brown* .8135
Jerry West* .8135
195. George Carter .8128
Carmelo Anthony .8128
197. Mike Woodson .8126
198. Al Skinner .8125
199. Isaiah Rider .8124
200. Willie Naulls .8122
201. Eric Gordon .8121
202. Kyle Lowry .8117
Thurl Bailey .8117
204. Michael Finley .8113
205. LaMarcus Aldridge .8111
206. Bimbo Coles .8109
207. Dominique Wilkins* .8108
208. Sam Perkins .8106
Byron Beck .8106
210. Shareef Abdur-Rahim .8104
Rank Player FT%
211. Shawn Marion .8102
Johnny Newman .8102
213. Tiny Archibald* .8097
Glen Combs .8097
215. Paul Arizin* .8095
Jameer Nelson .8095
217. Bill Melchionni .8091
Jeremy Lin .8091
John Mengelt .8091
220. Eddie Jones .8088
221. Rod Higgins .8081
222. Mark Olberding .8079
223. Marvin Williams .8078
224. Tom Chambers .8075
225. Rickey Green .8074
226. Joe Hamilton .8071
227. Andre Miller .8070
Earl Monroe* .8070
229. Jim Paxson .8067
Gail Goodrich* .8067
231. Paul Pierce .8065
232. Gene Shue .8060
233. Phil Chenier .8058
Evan Fournier .8058
235. Danny Schayes .8055
236. Geoff Petrie .8054
237. Johnny Egan .8052
238. Bob Love .8050
239. Rashard Lewis .8049
240. Frank Ramsey* .8044
241. Latrell Sprewell .8041
242. Jeff Green .8040
Carl Braun* .8040
244. George Hill .8039
245. Austin Carr .8038
Rank Player FT%
Brad Miller .8038
247. Joel Embiid .8036
248. Kevin Loughery .8035
249. Bob Cousy* .8033
Gilbert Arenas .8033
Mike Dunleavy .8033

 

[txmxer]

Missed my edit window.

In BBall you have shooters and then you have the big guys that can't shoot. The non-shooters bring the free throw average way down. Most shooters average around 90%. And of course that's while playing the game--running up and down the court, physical contact, etc.

Let's see the DG pros putting average if we add in some fitness work and body checking around the green. Make sure you have EMT's on standby. Most of these guys would struggle to run from tee pad to green.

 

[oldmandiscer]

Missed my edit window.

In BBall you have shooters and then you have the big guys that can't shoot. The non-shooters bring the free throw average way down. Most shooters average around 90%. And of course that's while playing the game--running up and down the court, physical contact, etc.

Let's see the DG pros putting average if we add in some fitness work and body checking around the green. Make sure you have EMT's on standby. Most of these guys would struggle to run from tee pad to green.

Most shoot 90%, are you sure about that? lol

 

[Ahildy13]

You listed 250 people and didn't even hit 79%. Since you claim 75% and show totally different information your credibility is ruined.

You're too stupid to know you're stupid.
Good luck in your life.

 

[oldmandiscer]

You listed 250 people and didn't even hit 79%. Since you claim 75% and show totally different information your credibility is ruined.

You're too stupid to know you're stupid.
Good luck in your life.

I listed the ALL TIME best free throw shooters in history of the NBA and ABA. What are you talking about?

 

[ballgolfconvert]

And I have fallen in love with this!!

I play golf as well....maybe we should try to convince the OMD's to spend months on their boards, claiming everyone one wants larger holes, because putting is too hard.

It might seem ironic but i have a full business plan for large hole ball golf events collecting dust right now (haven't had time to pursue). I think they would be prefect for charity events, etc. and Rec golfers actually prefer them, similar to how Rec players prefer the big baskets we use for disc golf.

 

[txmxer]

Sure bud. Quit lying.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ft_pct_career.html

1. Stephen Curry .9072
2. Steve Nash* .9043
3. Mark Price .9039
4. Peja Stojaković .8948
5. Chauncey Billups .8940
6. Ray Allen* .8939
7. Rick Barry* .8931
8. Damian Lillard .8930
9. J.J. Redick .8920
10. Calvin Murphy* .8916
11. Scott Skiles .8891
12. Reggie Miller* .8877
13. Larry Bird* .8857
14. Bill Sharman* .8831
15. Kevin Durant .8823
16. Dirk Nowitzki .8787
17. Kyrie Irving .8777
Khris Middleton .8777
19. Jeff Hornacek .8770
20. Kyle Korver .8769
21. Earl Boykins .8758
22. Ricky Pierce .8755
23. Danilo Gallinari .8748
24. Terrell Brandon .8732
25. Bill Keller .8723
Isaiah Thomas .8723
27. Chris Paul .8719
28. Kiki Vandeweghe .8717
29. Darrell Armstrong .8714
30. Jeff Malone .8711
31. Mo Williams .8708
32. Kevin Martin .8704
33. Hersey Hawkins .8698
34. Mike Newlin .8695
35. Micheal Williams .8680
Rank Player FT%
36. Devin Booker .8675
37. D.J. Augustin .8660
38. Chris Mullin* .8655
39. Charles Beasley .8639
40. Allan Houston .8634
41. Mack Calvin .8632
42. Luke Ridnour .8623
43. John Long .8622
44. Jamal Crawford .8619
45. Sam Cassell .8608
46. Wally Szczerbiak .8599
47. Bojan Bogdanović .8595
48. James Harden .8585
49. Dana Barros .8578
50. Fred Brown .8575
51. Ben Gordon .8567
52. Kawhi Leonard .8562
53. Jarrett Jack .8554
54. James Silas .8550
55. Larry Siegfried .8545
56. Reggie Jackson .8543
57. Mario Elie .8540
58. Derek Anderson .8526
59. Darren Collison .8525
60. Randy Foye .8516
61. Richard Hamilton .8515
62. Darel Carrier .8513
63. Tony Jackson .8511
64. Walter Davis .8509
65. Mitch Richmond* .8501
66. Jack Sikma* .8494
67. Dolph Schayes* .8492
68. Michael Adams .8486
Kelly Tripucka .8486
70. Magic Johnson* .8479
Rank Player FT%
Danny Granger .8479
72. Spud Webb .8476
73. Paul George .8475
74. Caron Butler .8470
75. Danny Ainge .8465
76. Flynn Robinson .8461
Junior Bridgeman .8461
78. Marco Belinelli .8458
Glen Rice .8458
80. Jason Terry .8453
81. Steve Smith .8452
82. Jeff Teague .8439
83. Dell Curry .8435
84. Joe Dumars* .8433
Jack Marin .8433
86. Mike Gminski .8431
87. Ricky Sobers .8430
88. Brian Winters .8424
89. Nicolas Batum .8414
90. Larry Costello .8412
91. Bryant Stith .8411
92. George Gervin* .8410
93. Ricky Rubio .8409
94. Lou Williams .8408
Skeeter Swift .8408
96. Kevin Johnson .8405
97. Eddie Johnson .8402
98. Rolando Blackman .8401
99. Bill Bradley* .8398
100. Kemba Walker .8395
101. Michael Redd .8382
102. Adrian Smith .8377
Oscar Robertson* .8377
104. Kobe Bryant* .8369
105. Bill Laimbeer .8368
Rank Player FT%
106. Ron Boone .8366
107. Jimmy Butler .8361
108. Terry Porter .8359
109. Nick Young .8356
110. Michael Jordan* .8353
111. Cuttino Mobley .8349
112. Arthur Becker .8347
113. Keith Van Horn .8346
114. John Brisker .8344
115. Allen Leavell .8338
116. Jo Jo White* .8337
117. Doug Collins .8332
118. Damon Stoudamire .8329
119. Byron Scott .8328
Yao Ming* .8328
Karl-Anthony Towns .8328
122. Michael Cooper .8326
123. Alex English* .8319
124. Jim McMillian .8317
125. Nikola Jokić .8316
Brandon Bass .8316
127. DeMar DeRozan .8313
128. John Beasley .8307
129. Sidney Moncrief* .8305
130. Howard Komives .8295
131. Jimmy Walker .8291
132. Kenny Smith .8287
133. Bob Weiss .8283
134. Kevin Love .8282
135. Dennis Schröder .8281
136. Brad Davis .8276
137. Derrick Rose .8275
138. Billy Knight .8272
139. Cazzie Russell .8268
140. Manu Ginóbili .8266
Rank Player FT%
141. Reggie Theus .8262
142. John Stockton* .8261
143. Gordon Hayward .8257
Zach LaVine .8257
Kenny Sears .8257
John Williamson .8257
147. Tobias Harris .8251
148. Jim Jackson .8250
149. Arron Afflalo .8249
150. Reggie Lewis .8244
151. Andrea Bargnani .8241
152. Wesley Matthews .8237
153. Dick Snyder .8236
Purvis Short .8236
Rodney Stuckey .8236
156. Fred Schaus .8229
Brent Barry .8229
158. Corey Maggette .8225
159. Steve Jones .8224
160. Dave Gambee .8223
161. Deron Williams .8218
162. Jerry Stackhouse .8215
163. Frankie Brian .8214
164. Leandro Barbosa .8213
165. Doug Christie .8211
Jan van Breda Kolff .8211
167. Johnny Davis .8207
168. Dave Twardzik .8206
169. Christian Laettner .8205
170. Pete Maravich* .8204
171. Paul Westphal* .8200
172. Louie Dampier* .8198
Stephen Chubin .8198
174. Phil Ford .8196
Glenn Robinson .8196
Rank Player FT%
176. Mike Conley .8195
Rick Mount .8195
James Posey .8195
179. Bradley Beal .8181
Adrian Dantley* .8181
Fred Scolari .8181
182. Red Robbins .8177
183. Freddie Lewis .8173
184. Mervin Jackson .8172
185. Derek Fisher .8169
186. David West .8167
187. Kevin Grevey .8166
188. Sedale Threatt .8153
189. Sleepy Floyd .8148
John Havlicek* .8148
191. Jeff Mullins .8144
192. Stu Lantz .8138
193. Larry Brown* .8135
Jerry West* .8135
195. George Carter .8128
Carmelo Anthony .8128
197. Mike Woodson .8126
198. Al Skinner .8125
199. Isaiah Rider .8124
200. Willie Naulls .8122
201. Eric Gordon .8121
202. Kyle Lowry .8117
Thurl Bailey .8117
204. Michael Finley .8113
205. LaMarcus Aldridge .8111
206. Bimbo Coles .8109
207. Dominique Wilkins* .8108
208. Sam Perkins .8106
Byron Beck .8106
210. Shareef Abdur-Rahim .8104
Rank Player FT%
211. Shawn Marion .8102
Johnny Newman .8102
213. Tiny Archibald* .8097
Glen Combs .8097
215. Paul Arizin* .8095
Jameer Nelson .8095
217. Bill Melchionni .8091
Jeremy Lin .8091
John Mengelt .8091
220. Eddie Jones .8088
221. Rod Higgins .8081
222. Mark Olberding .8079
223. Marvin Williams .8078
224. Tom Chambers .8075
225. Rickey Green .8074
226. Joe Hamilton .8071
227. Andre Miller .8070
Earl Monroe* .8070
229. Jim Paxson .8067
Gail Goodrich* .8067
231. Paul Pierce .8065
232. Gene Shue .8060
233. Phil Chenier .8058
Evan Fournier .8058
235. Danny Schayes .8055
236. Geoff Petrie .8054
237. Johnny Egan .8052
238. Bob Love .8050
239. Rashard Lewis .8049
240. Frank Ramsey* .8044
241. Latrell Sprewell .8041
242. Jeff Green .8040
Carl Braun* .8040
244. George Hill .8039
245. Austin Carr .8038
Rank Player FT%
Brad Miller .8038
247. Joel Embiid .8036
248. Kevin Loughery .8035
249. Bob Cousy* .8033
Gilbert Arenas .8033
Mike Dunleavy .8033

I'm not lying--I'm not suggesting I was a better shooter than these guys, there are a lot of factors that apply and impact shooting. These guys are in the middle of a game and sprinting up and down the court. Packed arenas, etc.

But, yeah, I was a baller from the line. I spent countless hours shooting free throws--on a given night (when I wasn't playing a game), I'd probably shoot 200 or more free throws. I didn't have much of a social life. I was either on the court playing basketball or at home practicing my shooting. Won free throw contests. Won hot shot contest, etc.

 

[oldmandiscer]

It might seem ironic but i have a full business plan for large hole ball golf events collecting dust right now (haven't had time to pursue). I think they would be prefect for charity events, etc. and Rec golfers actually prefer them, similar to how Rec players prefer the big baskets we use for disc golf.

They exist already. Seen Jr events advertised as well during tourneys.

https://www.bigholegolf.com

Larger holes for Ams is a thing, maybe not broad scale but certainly out there.

 

[txmxer]

Most shoot 90%, are you sure about that? lol

here's this years %

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/free-throws/table/offensive/sort/freeThrowPct/dir/desc

The top 9 guys are shooting between 90% and 95.8% and of course that is in game. Let a DG player work up a sweat and then step up to make a putt and I'm guessing percentages drop off quite a bit.

 

[ballgolfconvert]

Did I say chainless? Nope, not ever. As a joke I did say we could use trash cans, no pole. That would be actually difficult. We simply need to go shorter and narrower. Not bigger and bigger like the trend!

Even Bullseye baskets work as we've seen. But maybe they bounce out at higher speeds too much so that might not be optimal (for aces to stick).

We need smaller baskets to reduce the high speed that putts are currently thrown at. I want to see more touch required.

 

[oldmandiscer]

I'm not lying--I'm not suggesting I was a better shooter than these guys, there are a lot of factors that apply and impact shooting. These guys are in the middle of a game and sprinting up and down the court. Packed arenas, etc.

But, yeah, I was a baller from the line. I spent countless hours shooting free throws--on a given night (when I wasn't playing a game), I'd probably shoot 200 or more free throws. I didn't have much of a social life. I was either on the court playing basketball or at home practicing my shooting. Won free throw contests. Won hot shot contest, etc.

Sure bud. We all believe you shot 95% while the best ever is just creeping over 90%. :|

 

[ru4por]

You said 1 putt. That is not challenging. They are expected to make it. Do you even understand what 97% means? That is 97 makes out of 100 putts. That is how percentages work.

So what? Tap in's are easy. In golf they are inside 5 feet, in disc golf they are inside 20 feet. Only you care. Disc golf does not need to be more like golf.

More misses on a smaller basket, more taps in's.
See....the bolded would be an unsubstantiated opinion. If I use it later to support other opinions as fact, that is dishonest and wrong. If I repeat it dozens of times, it does not become fact, nor a more popular opinion.

 

[oldmandiscer]

We need smaller baskets to reduce the high speed that putts are currently thrown at. I want to see more touch required.

I agree with the touch part, but if the target area is smaller (say 3 inches shorter and narrower), then that line drive air ball from 30 feet comeback is even a lower percentage. Then just maybe guys stop line driving everything? In theory anyways.

The risk to rip everything turns into more 3 putts. May force guys to come with some height and touch.

 

[ru4por]

It might seem ironic but i have a full business plan for large hole ball golf events collecting dust right now (haven't had time to pursue). I think they would be prefect for charity events, etc. and Rec golfers actually prefer them, similar to how Rec players prefer the big baskets we use for disc golf.

Golf in not broken either, IMO.

 

[oldmandiscer]

here's this years %

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/stat/free-throws/table/offensive/sort/freeThrowPct/dir/desc

The top 9 guys are shooting between 90% and 95.8% and of course that is in game. Let a DG player work up a sweat and then step up to make a putt and I'm guessing percentages drop off quite a bit.

So you are selectively choosing a stat to fit your need. I already went career and all of NBA history. You can't get more accurate then what I gave you. Who cares if some guy is hot for 30 games? Too small of a sample size.

 

[Steve West]

Have you ever played in Ft Wayne, IN, or maybe it was Indy, that had these baskets with straight hanging plastic covered rods(?) hanging down in place of chains?

They could be used since they did not break the patent Ed owned and were GREAT catchers.

Blue and yellow? I've putted on one.

 

[oldmandiscer]

Golf in not broken either, IMO.

Then why are they using a bigger hole for recreational players?

 

[Jay Dub]

Blue and yellow? I've putted on one.

I think they were. I played a tournament on them for a few years, once a year.

 

[ru4por]

Then why are they using a bigger hole for recreational players?

I have played rec golf for 50 years. I play in 1-2 golf leagues for the last 20 or so years. I travel with buddies to play golf all over Michigan. I have never played, seen nor heard of bigger holed golf courses. (unless a soccer ball was involved) I know of nobody who would be the slightest bit interested in making the game different.

I am sure this idea is out there, but it is a solution looking for a problem that does not exist......IMO.

Might come as a shock, but I don't support bigger bowling pins, larger horseshoe stakes, bigger jarts circles, bigger cornhole boards and holes or bigger scoring areas in darts. Still shockingly, none are broken or enhanced by smaller targets either.