The picture does NOT do this hole justice. It's seriously a 45-50 degree downslope that can be nearly impossible to get DOWN if it's wet, and worse to climb. Your shot must be held just off the surface of the slope, and it's better to let your disc slide down the hill (even upside down!) than to put any power in your throw, and float off to the great beyond. Imagine you're on level ground and only 10' from the pin, and you want to toss your disc to tap the base of the pin. That's how much you need to power down!