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Hole #12 (Taken 4/2009)
Hole #12 (Taken 4/2009) 
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Hole #12 Tee (tunnel hole with low hanging branches off tree and difficult rough on each side)
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Reviews: 35
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Fun, but far too technical.
Pros: Good shot selection, good use of the land, elevation changes, good course flow.
Cons: Too technical, too many trees.
Other Thoughts: I can appreciate a good, hard course to play, but this course is too technical sometimes to the point of being ridiculous. I like having shots where you have to wedge a disc in between trees, but not on every hole. A course can still be challenging with open fairways and not trees in your face on the teepad. That being said, it is fun. Good variety of shots, distances, and elevation. Not long enough to really throw some bombs, but long enough to wear on you after 36 holes. I like it, and I'll play it again, but I much prefer Sioux Passage if I'm in St. Louis.
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Report this Review It's the Endicott of the world as we know it
Pros: 1) Nice signs with Hole #, Par, Distance, Next Tee arrows. Some of the signs had paper clips to indicate which pin is being used but it was inconsistently done. Perhaps people have taken the clips off of some holes and left others.
2) Next tee arrows on little concrete pieces near the baskets. These are inconsistent but they will help more than they will hurt.
3) Multiple pins available on this course which is an awesome feature. The holes can change dramatically.
4) Excellent use of the elevation change on this course. There are some extreme rises and falls, but overall there are hardly any level holes. Basically elevation change is an integral feature of this courses design.
5) The turf seems to be in decent shape. Most of the fairways are in good shape so any of your drives that hit an early tree you will have decent footing.
6) There are some benches available on the course. Feel free to have a seat and enjoy the view.
7) The two retaining walls I encountered seemed to have been done professionally. This is something that rarely happens on disc golf courses. Usually some volunteer just offers up their time and they build a wall . . . too often those will fail due to improper procedures. This is all part of raising the bar in disc golf course design, installation, and maintenance. I am all for things being done properly which makes them sustainable.
8) Practice basket available in between #1 and #18. I didn't see the basket because I took a shortcut across a field, but when I was on #9 I heard people practice putting and saw where the basket was located.
9) Strong bag hooks located on some of the tee sign posts. While I wouldn't use these because my bag weighs so much, I can see their value on the wet days .
10) Excellent distance variation here with some holes playing in the 200's, 300's, and even 400's. There are a lot of different shots and discs needed on this awesome variety so bring everything you have got.
11) Beginner friendly on most holes because it is only moderately wooded. Sure there are a couple tougher holes but that is ok to expose people to a little bit of everything.
12) Foliage density is a key design feature here also with some mildly wooded, to some moderately wooded, to those few tight dense holes. This type of variety can only be considered a positive.
13) Nice big concrete tee-pads. I always appreciate a full run-up on concrete and good solid area for my plant foot.
14) While this course is in a typical park setting, there are really very few places where the interaction with other park users could be negative.
15) Plenty of garbage cans available on this course.
16) Very nice park with tennis, baseball, playgrounds, bathrooms, a pavilion, etc etc etc . . . a typical city or county park . . . but it looks to be well maintained.
17) A river/drainage swale is used as an integral feature on half a dozen holes. Skips or roll-a-ways can lead to difficult shots in this drainage swale filled with underbrush.
18) Gateway Titan baskets are in good shape. They seem to catch a little more narrow than other manufacturers baskets which I do not like (because it means missed putts). However if you hit the right spot they catch just fine. The 24 chains are helpful for that if you hit the sweet spot.
2) Next tee arrows on little concrete pieces near the baskets. These are inconsistent but they will help more than they will hurt.
3) Multiple pins available on this course which is an awesome feature. The holes can change dramatically.
4) Excellent use of the elevation change on this course. There are some extreme rises and falls, but overall there are hardly any level holes. Basically elevation change is an integral feature of this courses design.
5) The turf seems to be in decent shape. Most of the fairways are in good shape so any of your drives that hit an early tree you will have decent footing.
6) There are some benches available on the course. Feel free to have a seat and enjoy the view.
7) The two retaining walls I encountered seemed to have been done professionally. This is something that rarely happens on disc golf courses. Usually some volunteer just offers up their time and they build a wall . . . too often those will fail due to improper procedures. This is all part of raising the bar in disc golf course design, installation, and maintenance. I am all for things being done properly which makes them sustainable.
8) Practice basket available in between #1 and #18. I didn't see the basket because I took a shortcut across a field, but when I was on #9 I heard people practice putting and saw where the basket was located.
9) Strong bag hooks located on some of the tee sign posts. While I wouldn't use these because my bag weighs so much, I can see their value on the wet days .
10) Excellent distance variation here with some holes playing in the 200's, 300's, and even 400's. There are a lot of different shots and discs needed on this awesome variety so bring everything you have got.
11) Beginner friendly on most holes because it is only moderately wooded. Sure there are a couple tougher holes but that is ok to expose people to a little bit of everything.
12) Foliage density is a key design feature here also with some mildly wooded, to some moderately wooded, to those few tight dense holes. This type of variety can only be considered a positive.
13) Nice big concrete tee-pads. I always appreciate a full run-up on concrete and good solid area for my plant foot.
14) While this course is in a typical park setting, there are really very few places where the interaction with other park users could be negative.
15) Plenty of garbage cans available on this course.
16) Very nice park with tennis, baseball, playgrounds, bathrooms, a pavilion, etc etc etc . . . a typical city or county park . . . but it looks to be well maintained.
17) A river/drainage swale is used as an integral feature on half a dozen holes. Skips or roll-a-ways can lead to difficult shots in this drainage swale filled with underbrush.
18) Gateway Titan baskets are in good shape. They seem to catch a little more narrow than other manufacturers baskets which I do not like (because it means missed putts). However if you hit the right spot they catch just fine. The 24 chains are helpful for that if you hit the sweet spot.
Cons: 1) Pin indicating system was inconsistently used. I am not sure if maybe someone came with a paper clip to mark a specific hole or two, but I sure wish they all were indicated if not for visual identification of the baskets . . . for the distance. I am a travelling disc golfer who plays many courses only once. The best courses will no create frustration due to lack of info for non-locals and first timers.
2) There are some areas of wear which are due to compaction and lead to erosion. I think the standard for disc golf could be to put in a 10' diameter circle of mulch around every tee. It will help with compaction and thus erosion. It will look better than worn out turf. It will really improve the image of disc golf when there are no areas of no turf/mud.
3) The most egregious areas of conflict with other park users would be around #18 tee and the sidewalk towards the practice basket . . . and also when the course plays across the outfield of a baseball field.
4) Hole #5 and #6 are a little goofy. The basket I could see from #5 tee was actually #6's basket. Fortunately for me . . . I cannot throw that far so I ended up only 25' short of the #5 basket even though I was trying to reach the further one. Then #6 tee is tucked way back to the right. I would say that #6 fairway is in danger of tee shots on #5 depending on the basket location.
5) The neighborhood looks to be a tad bit sketchy. I didn't have any problems but it looks like you might want to be careful with your vehicle and stuff inside.
6) The homes along # and #6 look to be in play with some really bad shots . . . Fortunately I threw towards #6 on #5 or my disc might have been further over to the left. I imagine plenty of discs end up in their yard . . . I wonder how many get retrieved.
7) There are a couple of holes that do run parallel to others and on a slope so it is possible to end up in the wrong fairway.
8) I did notice one thing with the Gateway baskets . . . I feel like the way they attached the chains could have been done better. Basically they attached the chains with a weld of the last chain link directly to the basket framework. The problem with this is that the chains always seem to settle on the inner part of the welded chain link. If they settled on the outer edge of that chain link the basket would effectively be 1-2" wider at the top. This might be the difference I was noticing. I am sending Dave a message right now to see if this is something they have experimented with or possibly corrected.
2) There are some areas of wear which are due to compaction and lead to erosion. I think the standard for disc golf could be to put in a 10' diameter circle of mulch around every tee. It will help with compaction and thus erosion. It will look better than worn out turf. It will really improve the image of disc golf when there are no areas of no turf/mud.
3) The most egregious areas of conflict with other park users would be around #18 tee and the sidewalk towards the practice basket . . . and also when the course plays across the outfield of a baseball field.
4) Hole #5 and #6 are a little goofy. The basket I could see from #5 tee was actually #6's basket. Fortunately for me . . . I cannot throw that far so I ended up only 25' short of the #5 basket even though I was trying to reach the further one. Then #6 tee is tucked way back to the right. I would say that #6 fairway is in danger of tee shots on #5 depending on the basket location.
5) The neighborhood looks to be a tad bit sketchy. I didn't have any problems but it looks like you might want to be careful with your vehicle and stuff inside.
6) The homes along # and #6 look to be in play with some really bad shots . . . Fortunately I threw towards #6 on #5 or my disc might have been further over to the left. I imagine plenty of discs end up in their yard . . . I wonder how many get retrieved.
7) There are a couple of holes that do run parallel to others and on a slope so it is possible to end up in the wrong fairway.
8) I did notice one thing with the Gateway baskets . . . I feel like the way they attached the chains could have been done better. Basically they attached the chains with a weld of the last chain link directly to the basket framework. The problem with this is that the chains always seem to settle on the inner part of the welded chain link. If they settled on the outer edge of that chain link the basket would effectively be 1-2" wider at the top. This might be the difference I was noticing. I am sending Dave a message right now to see if this is something they have experimented with or possibly corrected.
Other Thoughts: Another solid St. Louis course. I had to choose this one because of proximity and I am glad I made it here. I had already played the cave courses as well as Jefferson Barracks. This is a decent design and it is fun with a little bit of challenge. It is also beginner friendly so it gets knocked up because of that aspect. It is in good shape (for the most part). There are a few safety and navigation issues so it settles in as a solid 3.5 disc course for me. It could be better with some better signage and a little bit more maintenance. Jefferson Barracks just seemed to be in better shape overall and the elevation was more dramatic there too. It just seemed like a cleaner course. Either way I would return to either.
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Endicott
2-4 
9/8/2012 
9/9/2012
Review By: birdman101 Played: 36 Reviewed: 17 Exp: 3.9 Years
This review was updated on 10/17/2012
Pros: This course plays through a county park, with several other amenities right with it, but the course is for the most part off on its own.
It is an 18 hole course with 3 pin placements on each hole to change it up from time to time(I can't attest to how often they get moved, but at other courses in the area some get moved weekly)
Concrete tees are in great shape and perfect size.
In the two rounds I played I used 12 of the 14 discs in my bag so it requires a variety of different shots.
The front 9 is played through mature trees, and on some rolling hills, so there is a good use of elevation. Several tough uphill shots, along with nice downhill shots. Holes 5 and 6 play near some backyards which add difficulty with those yards being OB.
The back 9 is a little bit tighter playing in and out of the woods, and forcing a little more accuracy off the tee.
There is a practice basket next to the playground near hole 1.
There are tee signs (see cons) and benches at each hole
It is an 18 hole course with 3 pin placements on each hole to change it up from time to time(I can't attest to how often they get moved, but at other courses in the area some get moved weekly)
Concrete tees are in great shape and perfect size.
In the two rounds I played I used 12 of the 14 discs in my bag so it requires a variety of different shots.
The front 9 is played through mature trees, and on some rolling hills, so there is a good use of elevation. Several tough uphill shots, along with nice downhill shots. Holes 5 and 6 play near some backyards which add difficulty with those yards being OB.
The back 9 is a little bit tighter playing in and out of the woods, and forcing a little more accuracy off the tee.
There is a practice basket next to the playground near hole 1.
There are tee signs (see cons) and benches at each hole
Cons: Tee signs are the same crappy ones that are at most St. Louis courses they just have the distances and a bolt telling you which position its in, so if you have never played it before you may have to walk some fairways to find the baskets. I HAVE HEARD AND SEEN PICS OF NEW TEE SIGNS NOT SURE WHEN I WILL GET UP THERE TO SAY THEY ARE ALL IN THOUGH
I don't remember seeing any trash cans on the course, but there wasn't much trash laying around either.
One of the pins for 18 is on the other side of a walking path, so be careful.
a few fairways play extremely close to one another, so there could be a bit of a safety concern with errant throws.
The layout of the course could be confusing for first time players, so you may want a map or a guide. Guide may be preferred with the tee signs. There are square blocks by each pin with an arrow pointing to the next tee, but I say 1 pointing the wrong way, and several you could barely make out the arrow at all.
I don't remember seeing any trash cans on the course, but there wasn't much trash laying around either.
One of the pins for 18 is on the other side of a walking path, so be careful.
a few fairways play extremely close to one another, so there could be a bit of a safety concern with errant throws.
The layout of the course could be confusing for first time players, so you may want a map or a guide. Guide may be preferred with the tee signs. There are square blocks by each pin with an arrow pointing to the next tee, but I say 1 pointing the wrong way, and several you could barely make out the arrow at all.
Other Thoughts: It was a little wet from the rain the day before, and seems that after a lot of rain it could stay swampy for a long period of time
First tee is near the pavilion in the middle of the park, and 18 ends by the tennis courts.
This is a nice course and worth playing, but there are others in the area I would recommend over Endicott
First tee is near the pavilion in the middle of the park, and 18 ends by the tennis courts.
This is a nice course and worth playing, but there are others in the area I would recommend over Endicott
1 of 1 people found this review helpful.
Very Solid 18
Pros: Really nice variety of in wooded and semi-open holes. Really nice terrain shots, and some really fun tunnel in the woods kind of shots. The hole that got me the first time I played it was 15, which is in the back of a culdesac of trees and is almost impossible to find unless you're with someone who knows where they're going.
Cons: The course layout is pretty top notch, but the challenge is in finding where you're headed. If you don't know your way around, or where the next hole is, you can wander all over the place. It's a better course to play with someone who knows where they're going--having played there three times, I'm still not totally sure I know where the holes go. Holes 2-8 feel like they're on top of one another, and that you can really hit someone on drives and approaches. It's a fun course, but unless you're with a someone who has played this course before, you might want to play with the league so they can show you around.
2 of 3 people found this review helpful.
2nd only to JB in STL
Pros: I rate this course a solid 4. Of the courses I've played around STL I'd rate it second only to Jefferson Barracks, which is probably my favorite course I've played anywhere as far as hole layout. The tees are excellent with good markers to the next treat the baskets on some more confusing ones. Love the variety and challenge. Hole 7, I think, had a unique tee location on top of a knoll.
Cons: Although I enjoyed the challenging layouts it would help first timers to have maps at the tees to avoid having to guess or scout ahead. Lacks long distance holes.
1 of 2 people found this review helpful.
1 6/14/2012 6/16/2012
Review By: MightyJeff Played: 26 Reviewed: 13 Exp: 17.1 Years
This review was updated on 6/21/2012
Pros: -Excellent workout! The course goes uphill, downhill, and you get the occasional flat hole just when you need to catch your breath
-Nice variety of holes regarding tree obstacles,layout, etc.
-Easily accessible from the freeway if you're an out-of-towner; not too hard to get lost
-Strikes a balance between being challenging but not overly challenging... a hard balance to achieve
-Nice variety of holes regarding tree obstacles,layout, etc.
-Easily accessible from the freeway if you're an out-of-towner; not too hard to get lost
-Strikes a balance between being challenging but not overly challenging... a hard balance to achieve
Cons: -The navigation can be difficult for first-timers. I got lost a few times, but was always able to find my way eventually. A previous reviewer mentioned the bricks with arrows pointing to the next tee, but I had a hard time finding them, and when I did, the paint was so raided that it was difficult to make out where I was supposed to go next.
-While there is a great variety of wooded and open holes (and everything in between), it felt like almost every hole had the same length. I would have loved to have seen a technical 150-footer or two mixed in, not to mention a tight 500-600 hole.
-While there is a great variety of wooded and open holes (and everything in between), it felt like almost every hole had the same length. I would have loved to have seen a technical 150-footer or two mixed in, not to mention a tight 500-600 hole.
Other Thoughts: This is a great course - if it were my home course, I'd be spoiled when trying others for the first time. While I wasn't able to try out other courses in the St. Louis area, I wouldn't be surprised if Endicott is among the best in the city.
2 of 3 people found this review helpful.
Endicott
Pros: I nice, challenging course. There are some nice open shots and some very challenging wooded shots. The course has concrete tee pads and multiple pin placements as to change it up.
Cons: Course can be a little muddy at times.
Other Thoughts: This is probably my favorite course in St. Louis. it is very challenging and fun to play!!
0 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Good addition to a road trip
Pros: While Endicott Park is not a course you would make a roadtrip around, it is a great inclusion for those who have just gotten done playing slightly more epic courses like Jefferson Barracks. Here's what I liked:
Elevation: This course's specialty... elevation was the key factor of every hole. i like this because even if a course lacks trees (which this one doesn't) uphill shots are still challenging and downhill bombs are still fun!
Treeeeees: Lots of trees with little underbrush. makes for fun challenges, without the risk of lost discs
Difficulty... Not overly challenging. Definitely some deuce opportunities, but there are also a few holes (7,12) that are very very difficult! Makes for fun round
Elevation: This course's specialty... elevation was the key factor of every hole. i like this because even if a course lacks trees (which this one doesn't) uphill shots are still challenging and downhill bombs are still fun!
Treeeeees: Lots of trees with little underbrush. makes for fun challenges, without the risk of lost discs
Difficulty... Not overly challenging. Definitely some deuce opportunities, but there are also a few holes (7,12) that are very very difficult! Makes for fun round
Cons: Signage!!! This was the only thing holding my review of Jefferson Barracks back, and the signage here is just as bad, and is even more needed since there are some baskets that look like they are on the fairway of other holes!! Lame! As at jefferson Barracks, the flow here was bad :(
Personally, I like feeling a bit isolated from other things like baseball games, roads, houses, etc when I disc golf, and unfortunately that factor just isn't present here... feels like youre playing in a busy park.
Personally, I like feeling a bit isolated from other things like baseball games, roads, houses, etc when I disc golf, and unfortunately that factor just isn't present here... feels like youre playing in a busy park.
Other Thoughts: Fun course! Definitely a good warmup/cooldown from other more challenging courses.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
Very Diverse, Exciting Course
Pros: -This may be the most diverse course in St. Louis. There are short, wooded holes as well as a few long, wide open distance holes. They weave together perfectly and make for one of the more unique courses in the STL area.
-Like the other courses in St. Louis, there are multiple pin positions for each hole and they are changed quite frequently. The distances are marked at the tee pad and you can see most of the holes from the tee pad or a few steps off.
-The flow and layout of the holes is very nice. It is very smooth and you will have very little trouble other than finding the first hole, which is by the big patio type thing right by the playground.
-All the baskets are Gateway Titans, and there is a practice Titan by the playground with putting markers that spiral out from 10 feet to 50 feet, one of the most unique features of this course.
- Can be very difficult. You can go from being under par to ruining your round in just a few holes, so think about all your throws before you throw.
-Like the other courses in St. Louis, there are multiple pin positions for each hole and they are changed quite frequently. The distances are marked at the tee pad and you can see most of the holes from the tee pad or a few steps off.
-The flow and layout of the holes is very nice. It is very smooth and you will have very little trouble other than finding the first hole, which is by the big patio type thing right by the playground.
-All the baskets are Gateway Titans, and there is a practice Titan by the playground with putting markers that spiral out from 10 feet to 50 feet, one of the most unique features of this course.
- Can be very difficult. You can go from being under par to ruining your round in just a few holes, so think about all your throws before you throw.
Cons: -While a lot of people think this is one of, if not the best course in the area, I still think JB is far and away better. Even though there are some long holes here, the average length of a hole is probably somewhere around 300 feet.
-The course can get backlogged sometimes during the summer and can result in some very slow play.
-The tee pads of some holes are directly behind the pins of some holes. This can result in people having to putt with a person driving in their background. This may not be a problem for some people, but I like to have nothing behind the basket to focus on the chains themselves.
-The course can get backlogged sometimes during the summer and can result in some very slow play.
-The tee pads of some holes are directly behind the pins of some holes. This can result in people having to putt with a person driving in their background. This may not be a problem for some people, but I like to have nothing behind the basket to focus on the chains themselves.
Other Thoughts: While this is a great course, I still believe JB or Sioux are the 2 best courses in St. Louis. However, this course is a lot closer to the city than Sioux is and it is still a great course that is different than both the other 2. Absolutely check this out if you find yourself in the STL area.
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
Signs NEEDED
1 9/1/2011 9/26/2011
Review By: Awol Played: 9 Reviewed: 5 Exp: 10.1 Years
This review was updated on 10/3/2012
Pros: This was a really interesting course. Loved the design and variety of shots. A lot of wooded areas, with some more open areas. Elevation change on a few of the holes.
Cons: No signage whatsoever. We spent more time wandering for the next hole that we did throwing.
Other Thoughts: Without signage, this course was almost unplayable. Hopefully someone steps up and gets signage done.
0 of 14 people found this review helpful.
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