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Hole #13 (Taken 10/2009)
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Reviews: 10
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better than advertised.
Pros:
Aesthetic-- Multi-use park but the area for dg is shared 50/50 with hiking trails/mountain bike trails. Neither seems very busy at any one time. as a side note, the baseball field basepaths seem very short...
Routing- Decent, the new signage makes it relatively easy to figure out where you are going and worn paths (even in the winter) make it even easier.
Teepads- although they are/were relatively snow covered, they are long and have built in roughness and were very "grippy" even in the snow.
Signage- better than what was there before (as was evident by the fact that there were still some of the old signs left)
Baskets- Mach II's in decent repair and have ribbons all over them for visibility (?) many of the "baskets" were slanted.
The Creek- it's purdy and a nice change of scenery.
Aesthetic-- Multi-use park but the area for dg is shared 50/50 with hiking trails/mountain bike trails. Neither seems very busy at any one time. as a side note, the baseball field basepaths seem very short...
Routing- Decent, the new signage makes it relatively easy to figure out where you are going and worn paths (even in the winter) make it even easier.
Teepads- although they are/were relatively snow covered, they are long and have built in roughness and were very "grippy" even in the snow.
Signage- better than what was there before (as was evident by the fact that there were still some of the old signs left)
Baskets- Mach II's in decent repair and have ribbons all over them for visibility (?) many of the "baskets" were slanted.
The Creek- it's purdy and a nice change of scenery.
Cons:
Variety- Not much here. alot of the holes are very similar to each other.
Fairways- not very distinct in a lot of places a lot of poke and hope here.
Rough- sucks. punishing and potentially dangerous with a TON of poison ivy aerial roots. The sink holes here are potentially dangerous when slick.
Only one bench- yep, I said it, I'm old and appreciate a bench now and then.
Variety- Not much here. alot of the holes are very similar to each other.
Fairways- not very distinct in a lot of places a lot of poke and hope here.
Rough- sucks. punishing and potentially dangerous with a TON of poison ivy aerial roots. The sink holes here are potentially dangerous when slick.
Only one bench- yep, I said it, I'm old and appreciate a bench now and then.
Other Thoughts: This course could be pretty sweet, much like myles kimmerly with some TLC. unfortunately it seems almost a forgotten course. and the reviews aren't helping to bring in some good people to help with work. lets get some updates people!
3 of 5 people found this review helpful.
Report this Review The Dr. Has A Cure For What Ails You
Pros: - Dr. Lawless Park is home to numerous mountain bike trails, baseball diamonds, pavilions, a few marshy areas that don't come into play, and heavily-wooded hills. The disc golf course can be located by following the first base line of the nearest ball diamond to #1's tee at the wood line. Say goodbye to open spaces as Dr. Lawless' dense trees and thick underbrush conspire to brutalize errant shots for the next 18 holes.
- The Dr. does a convincing job serving up one particular brand of disc golf: thickly wooded short holes that place a premium on line-shaping while navigating a plethora of moderate elevation changes in conjunction with an endless supply of mature trees.
- Excellent use of elevation. A wealth of decent-sized ups and downs are put to great use throughout the course. The variety in the way the elevation changes come into play from hole to hole is above average, and definitely the hallmark of this course. #3's basket sits on a narrow strip of land with small gullies running down each side into a fairly deep valley. With the hole being under 200', the possibility of going long into the deep rough is very real. #9 shoots over a small dip in the land with deep rough to both sides and an area of safety in the circle. Generally speaking, each hole contains some sort of positive use of elevation.
- Great use of the forest. The designers did a great job of creating fair but challenging holes that test line-shaping abilities while throwing both uphill and downhill. The trees get pretty tight in spots, but nothing is unfair or ridiculous. The thick rough provides severe but fair punishment for errant shots. Hitting your lines cleanly off the tee will result in a ton of birdies. Missing them can be an adventure.
- There are a multitude of paths running between the various holes, which has to help ease congestion during crowded course conditions as one can skip around as needed.
- Long, fairly new-ish looking concrete tees. They're a bit on the narrow side but otherwise pretty good. Wooden posts serve as the signs. Each post lists the hole number, distance, and par. On some holes, small wooded signs are also present. Baskets for the most part (see cons) are in good shape, and each has several orange ribbons attached, to aid in finding them through the trees. Several trash cans throughout help keep the course mostly devoid of litter.
- Although the course is near the ball diamonds and mountain bike trails, The Dr. has a pleasant nature vibe that for the most part is secluded from other park activities.
- The Dr. does a convincing job serving up one particular brand of disc golf: thickly wooded short holes that place a premium on line-shaping while navigating a plethora of moderate elevation changes in conjunction with an endless supply of mature trees.
- Excellent use of elevation. A wealth of decent-sized ups and downs are put to great use throughout the course. The variety in the way the elevation changes come into play from hole to hole is above average, and definitely the hallmark of this course. #3's basket sits on a narrow strip of land with small gullies running down each side into a fairly deep valley. With the hole being under 200', the possibility of going long into the deep rough is very real. #9 shoots over a small dip in the land with deep rough to both sides and an area of safety in the circle. Generally speaking, each hole contains some sort of positive use of elevation.
- Great use of the forest. The designers did a great job of creating fair but challenging holes that test line-shaping abilities while throwing both uphill and downhill. The trees get pretty tight in spots, but nothing is unfair or ridiculous. The thick rough provides severe but fair punishment for errant shots. Hitting your lines cleanly off the tee will result in a ton of birdies. Missing them can be an adventure.
- There are a multitude of paths running between the various holes, which has to help ease congestion during crowded course conditions as one can skip around as needed.
- Long, fairly new-ish looking concrete tees. They're a bit on the narrow side but otherwise pretty good. Wooden posts serve as the signs. Each post lists the hole number, distance, and par. On some holes, small wooded signs are also present. Baskets for the most part (see cons) are in good shape, and each has several orange ribbons attached, to aid in finding them through the trees. Several trash cans throughout help keep the course mostly devoid of litter.
- Although the course is near the ball diamonds and mountain bike trails, The Dr. has a pleasant nature vibe that for the most part is secluded from other park activities.
Cons: - The baskets for hole #'s 10 and 12 are currently missing (as of 11/10/12).
- I have no problem with punishing roughs, but when the majority of the course contains various thorns, stickers, and thistles it kinda starts to suck a bit. If you can't hit the fairways consistently, be sure to wear pants or risk looking like you're emo and have developed a cutting problem.
- While the many trails are probably a "pro" once you're familiar with the layout, they don't really help with navigation the first time through. Next tee signs exist in a few spots, but often in strange places where not needed. In other spots with a couple of different path options and a long walk to the next tee, nothing appears to help guide first timers.
- I dunno, this is difficult to hold against the course per se, but the nearby hog farm really stinks.
- I have no problem with punishing roughs, but when the majority of the course contains various thorns, stickers, and thistles it kinda starts to suck a bit. If you can't hit the fairways consistently, be sure to wear pants or risk looking like you're emo and have developed a cutting problem.
- While the many trails are probably a "pro" once you're familiar with the layout, they don't really help with navigation the first time through. Next tee signs exist in a few spots, but often in strange places where not needed. In other spots with a couple of different path options and a long walk to the next tee, nothing appears to help guide first timers.
- I dunno, this is difficult to hold against the course per se, but the nearby hog farm really stinks.
Other Thoughts: - Experts won't find much challenge here and will most likely find the thorns a deal breaker. For advanced players, Dr. Lawless offers a great technical workout for putters or mid-ranges. Beginners will find a wealth of fair but challenging variations on the main theme.
- I went into Dr. Lawless with low expectations given its rating (I don't usually read reviews prior to playing a course, but I often check the overall disc rating). I was pleasantly surprised to find a fun, interesting course that thoroughly explores a multitude of variations on a singular theme. I enjoyed the course enough to alter my plans and play a second round. Definitely a solid little course that deserves more respect than it has gotten.
- I went into Dr. Lawless with low expectations given its rating (I don't usually read reviews prior to playing a course, but I often check the overall disc rating). I was pleasantly surprised to find a fun, interesting course that thoroughly explores a multitude of variations on a singular theme. I enjoyed the course enough to alter my plans and play a second round. Definitely a solid little course that deserves more respect than it has gotten.
8 of 9 people found this review helpful.
There's potential here
Pros: The course plays through a heavily wooded area with some small elevation changes. The hills are used pretty well to add challenge and variety. Though the holes are all pretty short, there's a nice variety of hole shapes, with left and right turning holes and early and late turns. I threw putters for just about every drive here, but I still had to get creative on several shots. There is a course map online that's mostly helpful in following the course layout.
Cons: It seems like there have been multiple rounds of changes made to this course. That leaves it feeling unfinished and rough. There are some basic signs, but many of the tees are unmarked dirt spots. That makes it difficult to find the tees, and leaves you with no clue as to the direction or distance to the hole. It also leaves a lot of navigation issues. The map doesn't always match the current layout, so even looking at the map it's not necessarily obvious where to go next.
Many of the holes need a little more cleaning and clearing to have good golf lines. Most have thick brush with nasty thorns encroaching on the fairways so that even a good shot can end up in the rough. Some need just a few trees taken out to make them less luck-dependent holes.
Many of the holes need a little more cleaning and clearing to have good golf lines. Most have thick brush with nasty thorns encroaching on the fairways so that even a good shot can end up in the rough. Some need just a few trees taken out to make them less luck-dependent holes.
Other Thoughts: With some work on tees and signage, and a little clearing work, this could be a fun course. It's very short, so it's more geared toward beginners, though the thick thorny rough can be a bit punitive. More experienced players won't find it too challenging, but it could be a fun place to play a putter only round.
4 of 5 people found this review helpful.
Just Awful 
1 
8/3/2010 
8/3/2010
Review By: HCHS.DGClub Played: 3 Reviewed: 1
This review was updated on 3/3/2011
Pros: -Secluded, wooded area
-wildlife (rabbits, frogs)
-low course traffic
-free
-wildlife (rabbits, frogs)
-low course traffic
-free
Cons:
Note: This review is written two years after the most recent review of the course; I am reporting on it as it was when I visited. It is different than it was two years ago.
-schule and ground cover everywhere; easy to lose discs
-poison ivy almost everywhere
-thorny brambles on every hole
-mosquito, gnat, and horse fly infested
-no "next tee" or tee pad signs after the first 8 holes
-virtually unidentifiable dirt tee pads
-overgrown course; nine-foot, fully matured weeds on the later holes
-all short holes
Note: This review is written two years after the most recent review of the course; I am reporting on it as it was when I visited. It is different than it was two years ago.
-schule and ground cover everywhere; easy to lose discs
-poison ivy almost everywhere
-thorny brambles on every hole
-mosquito, gnat, and horse fly infested
-no "next tee" or tee pad signs after the first 8 holes
-virtually unidentifiable dirt tee pads
-overgrown course; nine-foot, fully matured weeds on the later holes
-all short holes
Other Thoughts: Upon entering the park there is a tree with poison ivy growing up it and a sign explaining the aphorisms "leaves of three, leave it be" and "hairy vine, no friend of mine." Although I can see how such an exhibit can help educate park-goers, the irony of its existence is overwhelming when one enters the forrest of poison ivy that exists on the course.
With a house on Diamond Lake I'm in the area often and I was really hoping for this Vandalia course to be another quintessential escape from Chicago suburban life, but let it be known that this course is abyssmal.
Also: Bug spray does nothing to keep the Michiana horse flys away.
With a house on Diamond Lake I'm in the area often and I was really hoping for this Vandalia course to be another quintessential escape from Chicago suburban life, but let it be known that this course is abyssmal.
Also: Bug spray does nothing to keep the Michiana horse flys away.
4 of 6 people found this review helpful.
Improved
5+ 10/10/2009 10/27/2009
Review By: TimSyl Played: 52 Reviewed: 17 Exp: 6.2 Years
This review was updated on 11/30/2012
Pros: New holes make this course more challenging.
Available lines to every basket, a lot of trees but not just luck
Good mix of righty, lefty, and straight holes
secluded, never busy
schule being removed slowly but surely
many risk reward shots
cement pads
Available lines to every basket, a lot of trees but not just luck
Good mix of righty, lefty, and straight holes
secluded, never busy
schule being removed slowly but surely
many risk reward shots
cement pads
Cons:
lack of length. Available land was used in redesign, park limited our options. Some great land east and north of the current course, but hunting is allowed there so probably not a good idea to use that area
lack of length. Available land was used in redesign, park limited our options. Some great land east and north of the current course, but hunting is allowed there so probably not a good idea to use that area
Other Thoughts: Still a short course, but much more challenging than in the past. Most people still won't need a driver very often. On the old course you expected to deuce just about every hole...now you hope you can get 6-9 of them. Course has little temp signs now for navigation...new ones ASAP.
3 of 4 people found this review helpful.
It's better than it was
Pros: Feel like the course is a little better now with the redesign. Previous design made this course "passable" to me, but the changes put in place made this course a little more decent.
Cons: Redesign just needs to be finished, tee pads really need some attention.
Other Thoughts: Just follow the right side of the baseball diamond by the corn field down the first baseline to find hole 1 of this newly redesign course.
2 of 4 people found this review helpful.
much improved
Pros: The biggest pro to this course is the near total re-design. Still a short course it is actually playable now. Was disappointed with 44 on old lay out happy with 50 on new.
Cons: Tee pads are in bad shape. Missing basket on hole 1. Still a few fairways that aren't fairways. Lot of thorns.
Other Thoughts: I wouldn't plan a trip to play this course but if your in the area and want to play a short but fun course it is now worth hitting.
2 of 5 people found this review helpful.
Not Worth your time
Pros: Good if you only want to practice your short, very short, game. Most holes are 110-190. I think I threw a driver on one hole...I guess one positive is that there is no trash on the course. This course would be a great beginner course.
Cons: Way too short. Biggest con is that the layout is absolutely atrocious. There are 2 hole right next to the parking lot and then you walk 1000 ft to hole 3. We spent like 20 minutes just looking for the 3rd hole. Natural pads are not that great. Out of the way from mostly everything and not worth a drive out to the course. Some fairways are terrible, really small and not really a real fairway.
Other Thoughts: Scott Wilson course designer of Meyer Broadway is redesigning a few holes ( I believe) which should add some distance and more of a challenge. I shot a 44 my first time playing this course. It seems like with all the land that the park has there could be a really great course here if a lot of work was done, which is sad because the course is soooo weak as is.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
Pros: Narrow paths through woods offer a chance to improve mid-range game. Decent baskets and signs. Back nine longer than front (about a 225' avg.). Many bird species (near a river, small lake and wetlands). Few other golfers.
Cons: Basket nine missing, very short front nine overall. Dirt tee pads. Thick prickly brush may make discs disappear in summer. No wide open holes or holes over 300'.
Other Thoughts: Nothing to go out of your way for, but should be a good course in windy and poor weather and is a pleasant hike.
5 of 6 people found this review helpful.
don't even think about it 
Pros: none that I can think of, simply terrible in 1999. What else can I saw to get this review in?
Cons: everything
Other Thoughts: what a waste of 9 baskets. I've heard this course was destroyed by a tornado. It might of helped!
1 of 17 people found this review helpful.
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