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Hole #11 (Taken 8/2009)
3 / 204ft. 3 / -- 3 / -- 3 / --
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Stepping stone bridge across creek on Hole #11
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Reviews: 10
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My first DG experience
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4/28/2013 
5/15/2013Pros: A nice variety of open and wooded terrain.
The creek makes a good water hazard on several holes.
Course layout is easy to follow, mostly because it's so heavily travelled.
The creek makes a good water hazard on several holes.
Course layout is easy to follow, mostly because it's so heavily travelled.
Cons: The creek is polluted and nasty.
Grass grows poorly on most of the course, typical for the climate but still a con.
Grass grows poorly on most of the course, typical for the climate but still a con.
Other Thoughts: As my first DG course, the one that first sparked my interest when I saw FHSU students playing while I was jogging, this course will always hold a special place for me.
The course is heavily utilized, mostly by FHSU students.
The course is heavily utilized, mostly by FHSU students.
Report this Review Diamond in the rough?
Pros: -Proof that a course doesn't have to have massive elevation changes to be challenging. There are some great holes here, even in pancake-like Kansas
-Nice use of natural obstacles - the river, mature trees, etc.
-Set in a nice metro park. I could see myself visiting the park regularly if I lived in Hays, even if it weren't to play disc golf... except for:
-Nice use of natural obstacles - the river, mature trees, etc.
-Set in a nice metro park. I could see myself visiting the park regularly if I lived in Hays, even if it weren't to play disc golf... except for:
Cons: -The course smells like manure. I don't know where it came from; I saw some buffalo herding near the first couple holes, but the smell was most pungent further afield.
-The signage is nonexistent. There are points in the course where a first-timer at Frontier Park would have absolutely no idea where the next tee is. In fact, there were many times I just guessed which tee was next, then found out I was completely wrong based on seeing the pair throwing a couple holes ahead of me. Each tee is marked with a stone, waist-high post, which is aesthetically pleasing in a way, but blends in way too easily with the surroundings.
-The course layout is problematic at best and dangerous at worst. There are too many holes that border the road in such a way that even a seasoned disc golfer could easily hit a passing car without meaning too. Also, there are places, although not many, where the next tee is less than five feet from the previous hole's basket, which seemingly contradicts my last grievance, but the confusion is mixed at Frontier Park.
-When I played the course there was a baseball team practicing in the stadium near holes 7-9, and they were playing top 40 EXTREMELY loud over the speakers. While this is a situational complaint, I'm sure it's not the only time it's happened. If I were a regular here it would drive me insane.
-The signage is nonexistent. There are points in the course where a first-timer at Frontier Park would have absolutely no idea where the next tee is. In fact, there were many times I just guessed which tee was next, then found out I was completely wrong based on seeing the pair throwing a couple holes ahead of me. Each tee is marked with a stone, waist-high post, which is aesthetically pleasing in a way, but blends in way too easily with the surroundings.
-The course layout is problematic at best and dangerous at worst. There are too many holes that border the road in such a way that even a seasoned disc golfer could easily hit a passing car without meaning too. Also, there are places, although not many, where the next tee is less than five feet from the previous hole's basket, which seemingly contradicts my last grievance, but the confusion is mixed at Frontier Park.
-When I played the course there was a baseball team practicing in the stadium near holes 7-9, and they were playing top 40 EXTREMELY loud over the speakers. While this is a situational complaint, I'm sure it's not the only time it's happened. If I were a regular here it would drive me insane.
Other Thoughts: It's frustrating; this course could be fantastic if, minimally, effort would be put into adding signs to each tee indicating which hole it is and where the next tee will be. And if something could be done about that manure...
3 of 4 people found this review helpful.
umm...
Other Thoughts: i came here in 2010 expecting a well- maintained, historic disc golf course that must have been well loved to survive this long, but instead, it almost seemed abandoned- no signage whatsoever, not even at the beginning to indicate that this was indeed a disc golf course. some tee pads had views of multiple baskets- where to throw? if they still have pro tourneys here, do they mark the course for them? why not leave the signage up?
i was very disappointed with the course, after reading some of the reviews here and taking time out of my road trip to play here, sorry. i would say that the park has taken a serious nose-dive since the pictures on this site were taken.
i was very disappointed with the course, after reading some of the reviews here and taking time out of my road trip to play here, sorry. i would say that the park has taken a serious nose-dive since the pictures on this site were taken.
0 of 3 people found this review helpful.
good windy course
Pros: Well designed course follows Big Creek, and shoots over it several times. Incorporates left and right turns, up and over shots, tunnel shots, water shots, short and long, depending upon basket placement. Original and alternate concrete pads on 18 of the 21 tees. Basket positions are changed monthly, offering a nice change for regulars. All baskets are numbered so you know which one is which. Alternate pads change the fairway slightly on some holes, and entirely on others, making multiple rounds like playing a different course. There is a well-cleaned permanent bathroom near hole #1.
Cons: The worst part for those playing the first time would be signage and navigation. There are no signs whatsoever, except a welcome sign pointing to hole #1. I hear there used to be tee signs, but they were vandalized and not replaced. Navigating to next hole without a local guide will be tricky on some holes, and almost impossible from #6 to #7. Course is basically flat - elevation never changes more than 10 feet. Depending upon which way the wind blows, a strong "farm smell" is sometimes present. Near basket for hole #1, vehicles parked to view the bison herd can be in the way. Hole #7 has 3 tees, the original (identified by its post rock) can almost never be used as the fairway crosses a parking lot and playground. Local mentality is "finders keepers," so if you lose a disc on this course, don't expect to get it back. There are no benches or trash bins by the tee pads. Tees for holes A, B and C are dirt, and unmarked.
Other Thoughts: There is almost always a breeze (10 Mph), and often very strong winds (25+ Mph), so bring out your most stable discs. New players will probably lose discs in Big Creek, since there are lots of water shots. Big Creek freezes over in winter, making fewer lost discs.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Very surprised...
Other Thoughts: Ok, So i've gotta break my (THE) normal way to post and list pro's and con's etc...
I was traveling through the state from CO to IN and playing some DG along the way, stopping at 4 star courses so that I know I wouldn't be dissappointed. Sadly in this case I was.
After the 6th hole, I couldn't find 7.. no signage, course maps, anything. I couldn't even find the basket or the next hole, I found 17 though! MANY of these holes need SERIOUS work! lots of signage missing at t-pads, garbage, graffiti (its whatever though).. The park looks absolutely terrible, which is a shock after seeing the other reviews for this course. Only reason I give it a two is because in order to continue playing I had to play 17 back to the start and play the front 3 again.
I guess I mostly hope that whoever maintains this course sees this as I can see how the course can be 4 stars but is in need of some serious love. And anyone else, please don't let your beloved home courses turn out like this one, take care of your toys.
As well, I know it sucks getting bad reviews on one of your favorite courses, if someone lets me know that this stuff is fixed, i'll gladly remove the review!
I was traveling through the state from CO to IN and playing some DG along the way, stopping at 4 star courses so that I know I wouldn't be dissappointed. Sadly in this case I was.
After the 6th hole, I couldn't find 7.. no signage, course maps, anything. I couldn't even find the basket or the next hole, I found 17 though! MANY of these holes need SERIOUS work! lots of signage missing at t-pads, garbage, graffiti (its whatever though).. The park looks absolutely terrible, which is a shock after seeing the other reviews for this course. Only reason I give it a two is because in order to continue playing I had to play 17 back to the start and play the front 3 again.
I guess I mostly hope that whoever maintains this course sees this as I can see how the course can be 4 stars but is in need of some serious love. And anyone else, please don't let your beloved home courses turn out like this one, take care of your toys.
As well, I know it sucks getting bad reviews on one of your favorite courses, if someone lets me know that this stuff is fixed, i'll gladly remove the review!
1 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Over the river and through the woods 
Pros: -Beautiful park
-Wide variety of shots required (Good use of the trees in the park)
-Very memorable shots (especially over the river shots). I loved Hole 11 a shot over the river with some trees leaning into it and if you shoot too high into the river you go.
-Holes varied in length (there were several over 500 hundred feet from the long tees) along with a good mix of holes between 200 and 400 feet.
-The alternate tees give most of the holes a totally different look rather than just adding extra distance to the hole
-Several of the holes have benches on them to rest on
-Wide variety of shots required (Good use of the trees in the park)
-Very memorable shots (especially over the river shots). I loved Hole 11 a shot over the river with some trees leaning into it and if you shoot too high into the river you go.
-Holes varied in length (there were several over 500 hundred feet from the long tees) along with a good mix of holes between 200 and 400 feet.
-The alternate tees give most of the holes a totally different look rather than just adding extra distance to the hole
-Several of the holes have benches on them to rest on
Cons: -Some of the tee pads are pretty much next to the basket before and if the park was crowded you might have to watch for incoming discs
-The signage on all but one of the holes (Hole 7 I believe still has the signage) is missing, which can make it hard at times to figure out where the pin is.
-Navigation between Hole 6 and 7 was a little difficult to figure out and there was no sign pointing the way to Hole 7 (You have to go across the bridge after Hole 6 and then cross over to the other side of the road to find tee 7)
-The course also has a fee safety issues with its design. The long tee of hole 7 plays straight through a parking lot. Several of the holes play right next swings and other playground equipment which could be a problem if children are playing on them
-When we played there was a lot of trash in the park
-The signage on all but one of the holes (Hole 7 I believe still has the signage) is missing, which can make it hard at times to figure out where the pin is.
-Navigation between Hole 6 and 7 was a little difficult to figure out and there was no sign pointing the way to Hole 7 (You have to go across the bridge after Hole 6 and then cross over to the other side of the road to find tee 7)
-The course also has a fee safety issues with its design. The long tee of hole 7 plays straight through a parking lot. Several of the holes play right next swings and other playground equipment which could be a problem if children are playing on them
-When we played there was a lot of trash in the park
Other Thoughts: This course has quite a few memorable holes and is quite fun but it does have its flaws. If the signage on each hole was replaced and updated I would definitely raise my score of the course. Overall, if you are passing through Hayes I would suggest a quick stop to play this enjoyable course.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
A long time gem that's kept up with the ages. 
Pros: Site of the longest running PDGA sanctioned event in Kansas, the Frontier Open which celebrated its silver anniversary this year, Frontier Park has been wowing disc golfers with its serene surroundings and challenging layout since the early 80's. Alternate tees are available on every hole now, many of which offer an entirely different look at the hole. The creek is a formiddable hazard here, coming into play on at least eight holes. The most distinct of the holes are the cross creek shots on Holes 11 and 16 where your drive (from either the original or alternate tee) must hit a narrow window going laterally over the creek. Catch an errant branch and your disc may be going swimming. Concrete pads have now been replaced many of the asphalt alternates which were in bad shape. You can almost literally play what seems like two different courses, each with its distinct hazards.
Cons: Perhaps the most glaring is that several of the original tee pads are too close to the previous hole's pin (if its in that position). There is no shortage of parking in the park but only a small amount by the first tee where the course kiosk can be very helpful for people who do not know their way around. Signage is lacking. There are small hole signs located atop the post rocks near the original tees (which helps define these from the alternates), but many of them are deteriorating or missing. In certain positions, the DGA baskets can be hard to see. The nickels have green backgrounds, so you may need to check what position you're shooting for before you do as this can make tremendous difference in strategy. There are a few spots in the park where you cross areas that non-DGers may be traversing, namely the parking lot on 7, and the parking loop area on holes 6 and 18. Has never been a problem for me, but I've only played during the weekend here during a tournament when these areas are barricaded off.
Other Thoughts: Located at the south end of Hays along the US-183 bypass, Frontier is hands down the best course along I-70 between Denver and KC. The local club here and parks department have kept this longtime favorite magnificently maintained. With Hays being a relatively small town, you're likely not going to have to wait at the teepads like you would at a number of bigger city courses. A great "halfway" point if you need to rest from driving and well worth the stop.
12 of 13 people found this review helpful.
Pros: A well maintained park. Quite a few signature holes, quite a few where the creek is a factor. My favorite is #15, which can be an easy hole. #15's tee shot is over the creek into a tree-lined fairway. The approach to #15 is usually easy but don't overshoot into the Big Creek. The finish is great, with a final cross-creek shot on #16, then #17 going under the bridge, and #18's basket tucked away in a hollow.
Cons: Some older asphalt tees are in poor shape. However, most holes have newer concrete pads in more difficult positions. Hole#5 can get real muddy. There are numerous roads that are certainly OB during tournament play. A few holes get real close to picnic tables and popular non-golfing areas, be careful!!
Other Thoughts: The course map on this website is the best available. Don't forget you have to cross the bridge after playing #6. The 7th tee is on the levee. The city of Hays has many hotels of all types/qualities. It is a perfect mid-point for long-trips through Kansas. It is amazing that in a vast sea of tree-less plains, this DGC works through a wonderful forest of tall/mature trees.
2 of 4 people found this review helpful.
Great course Pros: The grounds were very well taken care of. each hole had it's own obstacles, and was unique. on more than one tee you are either throwing over a ditch/valley, or over the creak (more than once). every pad was in good shape. most of the tees have a tall stone next to it with a diagram (map and distance)
Cons: a few of the maps/diagrams are missing or broken off.
Other Thoughts: i am new to the game, and new to the hays area. i look forward to playing more often and i feel lucky to have a course like this to learn/grow on.
0 of 2 people found this review helpful.
One of the greats!
Pros: every hole is different. designed by Ron Rice in 83 it is one of the first in the country and remains among the best. Alt. pads and pins.
Cons: BIG Creek is a disc eating mother------ so don't mess up
Other Thoughts: Go play it!
3 of 18 people found this review helpful.
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