Hole #15 (Taken 6/2009) 
4 / 220ft. 3 / 220ft.
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Pros: LTC Cleveland is a fun course on a college campus. There is good signage at each hole and directional signs between holes where needed so navigation is a breeze. The baskets are blue and look really nice.
There's a good variety of short, medium and a few long holes. Most of them are lightly wooded with mature trees and very little undergrowth, but none feel wide open which is nice. There are rolling hills throughout the course which you have to think about on a lot of the holes and some of the hills are used to make more challenging putting greens. The course does a good job of utilizing the available the elevation changes here. There's a really pretty creek that comes into play on a few holes. OB roads come into play on a few holes so be sure to watch for cars.
There's a good variety of short, medium and a few long holes. Most of them are lightly wooded with mature trees and very little undergrowth, but none feel wide open which is nice. There are rolling hills throughout the course which you have to think about on a lot of the holes and some of the hills are used to make more challenging putting greens. The course does a good job of utilizing the available the elevation changes here. There's a really pretty creek that comes into play on a few holes. OB roads come into play on a few holes so be sure to watch for cars.
Cons: The tee pads are grippy rubber mats. I didn't have a problem with the material, but many of them were hilly and lumpy in places making the run up a bit difficult.
Holes 13 and 15 force quality turnover shots for RHBH players. Other than that, the shot variety is a little lacking. There were a few holes where I felt like I was throwing the same shot over and over.
There's a car scrap yard next to hole 3 and 4 which is a bit of an eyesore. Obviously no fault of the course or LTC since it's next door. Otherwise the course is very visually appealing.
I had a hard time locating the basket for hole 5 at first, not realizing it's across a road that's not listed on the otherwise very accurate tee signs. After looking at the course pictures on here, I see that road is a somewhat recent addition to the campus. This isn't really a con, just something to be aware of it this is your first time here.
Holes 13 and 15 force quality turnover shots for RHBH players. Other than that, the shot variety is a little lacking. There were a few holes where I felt like I was throwing the same shot over and over.
There's a car scrap yard next to hole 3 and 4 which is a bit of an eyesore. Obviously no fault of the course or LTC since it's next door. Otherwise the course is very visually appealing.
I had a hard time locating the basket for hole 5 at first, not realizing it's across a road that's not listed on the otherwise very accurate tee signs. After looking at the course pictures on here, I see that road is a somewhat recent addition to the campus. This isn't really a con, just something to be aware of it this is your first time here.
Other Thoughts: Overall this is a nice college course that will be a great place to introduce students to the sport and allow for a quick round between classes. Although the course isn't very challenging to more advanced players, that doesn't stop it from being a fun round!
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B = Beautiful and deceivingly challenging. A “feel good” course!
Pros: LTC Cleveland is a "feel good" course. Strolling around a beautiful and green manicured park and not getting slapped down by DG brutality will put a spring in your step and send you on your way smiling.
What I personally like and how this course stacks up in my list of 18 hole courses:
1) Holes with good risk/reward. Fair, but harsh punishment for bad decisions or execution. == B
(The usage of the available trees and mild terrain sets up several holes for decent decision making in what route you want to take, what disc to throw, and how to creatively shape that throw. There are only 1-2 places where it is conceivable that a bad drive will result in a bogey 4, but there are a ton of places where the lack of hitting your line will deny you a birdie that seems so attainable. It is a deceptively challenging course in this aspect.)
2) Holes that have rewarding birdie opportunities for me. I'm a Blue level player (950ish skill) who throws 300' accurately, 360' max. == B
(6 or 7 holes that are 220' or less made me thought that this course would be a birdie fest. But as already stated, the required routes from tee to target are deceptively tricky. So, while many holes seem easy, this course will let you know that you are on your game if you can go low - as in 10-12 down versus 4-6 down.)
3) More wooded than open - lots of variety of shots required caused by hole shape and topography == B
(Certainly not a wooded course, but a fair amount of shot shaping is required. Due to the nature of the smallish gaps between trees on many fairways you need a good combination of shot shaping AND accuracy along the entire flight path to get you a copious amount of deuces.)
4) Natural beauty (Appalachian beauty preferred) and seclusion. == B
(Most of the course plays on beautiful grass and through medium size hardwoods along the main driveway from the main road to the main college building. So, while there is a beautiful manicured feeling you cannot get away from knowing you are around people and cars and roads. The area is quite rural and quiet so there is a nice tranquil atmosphere - at least on weekends and when classes are not in session.)
5) Bonus points for multi-throw holes with defined landing zones, good risk/reward and multiple options to play them. == NA
What I personally like and how this course stacks up in my list of 18 hole courses:
1) Holes with good risk/reward. Fair, but harsh punishment for bad decisions or execution. == B
(The usage of the available trees and mild terrain sets up several holes for decent decision making in what route you want to take, what disc to throw, and how to creatively shape that throw. There are only 1-2 places where it is conceivable that a bad drive will result in a bogey 4, but there are a ton of places where the lack of hitting your line will deny you a birdie that seems so attainable. It is a deceptively challenging course in this aspect.)
2) Holes that have rewarding birdie opportunities for me. I'm a Blue level player (950ish skill) who throws 300' accurately, 360' max. == B
(6 or 7 holes that are 220' or less made me thought that this course would be a birdie fest. But as already stated, the required routes from tee to target are deceptively tricky. So, while many holes seem easy, this course will let you know that you are on your game if you can go low - as in 10-12 down versus 4-6 down.)
3) More wooded than open - lots of variety of shots required caused by hole shape and topography == B
(Certainly not a wooded course, but a fair amount of shot shaping is required. Due to the nature of the smallish gaps between trees on many fairways you need a good combination of shot shaping AND accuracy along the entire flight path to get you a copious amount of deuces.)
4) Natural beauty (Appalachian beauty preferred) and seclusion. == B
(Most of the course plays on beautiful grass and through medium size hardwoods along the main driveway from the main road to the main college building. So, while there is a beautiful manicured feeling you cannot get away from knowing you are around people and cars and roads. The area is quite rural and quiet so there is a nice tranquil atmosphere - at least on weekends and when classes are not in session.)
5) Bonus points for multi-throw holes with defined landing zones, good risk/reward and multiple options to play them. == NA
6 of 6 people found this review helpful.
Fun campus course 
Pros: The course plays on rolling grassy hills with scattered mature trees in one area of a nice college campus. Many holes have some slight elevation changes for a little more challenge, and one hole plays up a steep little hill through a gap in some trees. There is a nice mix of left and right turning holes with different lengths so you'll have to shape some different lines. The course design felt pretty balanced for righty or lefty players.
The baskets were in great shape, and look cool with the blue cage and custom number plates. There are decent signs with hole distance and layout, and signs to point the way where the transitions between holes aren't obvious, so the course is easy to follow. The rubber tee pads are in fine shape and are pretty level for the most part. The grounds are nicely kept, with well mowed fairways and no trash or vandalism. The bridges over the creek and marshy areas are a nice touch here.
The baskets were in great shape, and look cool with the blue cage and custom number plates. There are decent signs with hole distance and layout, and signs to point the way where the transitions between holes aren't obvious, so the course is easy to follow. The rubber tee pads are in fine shape and are pretty level for the most part. The grounds are nicely kept, with well mowed fairways and no trash or vandalism. The bridges over the creek and marshy areas are a nice touch here.
Cons: The course is lacking a little in challenge and variety. There isn't enough length for the park style holes to provide much challenge to more experienced players. It's a shame the design wasn't allowed to use the woods, that would have added some nice variety and possibly some more challenge. The creek is nice but could have come into play a little more. The baskets looked nice, but seemed to have a tendency to spit a little more than I expected. The roads come into play a little, which could be a safety issue and lead to some waits.
Other Thoughts: This is a nice course, and worth a stop if you're in the area. There's not enough challenge or variety to make it worth too much of a drive, but it's a great campus course to expose college students and the community to the sport. The maintenance is very nice, and makes it a nice atmosphere to play. This is a great course for newer players to try the sport and learn, with enough differently shaped shots to make players try some different shots. More experienced players will find it a bit easy and open, but it's a pretty and fun quick round.
8 of 9 people found this review helpful.
Creative design, waiting for more! 
5+ 
7/27/2009 
10/27/2009
Review By: superberry 
Played: 145 Reviewed: 88 Exp: 15.1 Years
This review was updated on 12/7/2009
Pros: Creative design, good use of the elevation and the creek, and risky pin placements.
Some of the more unique holes I love are the risky #11 playing down to the basket with the creek behind it. #13 playing uphill across a marsh to a blind basket. The U-shaped fairway hole 15, and the tight tunnel and across the creek to pin 18 on a nook of the creek bend.
Very nice campus setting without lots of kids, graffitti, garbage, etc. You can actually enjoy your round out here.
Commitment, dedication, creativity, and pride by the local designer is what makes the course exceptional. Without that personal touch, the school would have had some students throw something in that is less than stellar.
Great tees signs.
Some of the more unique holes I love are the risky #11 playing down to the basket with the creek behind it. #13 playing uphill across a marsh to a blind basket. The U-shaped fairway hole 15, and the tight tunnel and across the creek to pin 18 on a nook of the creek bend.
Very nice campus setting without lots of kids, graffitti, garbage, etc. You can actually enjoy your round out here.
Commitment, dedication, creativity, and pride by the local designer is what makes the course exceptional. Without that personal touch, the school would have had some students throw something in that is less than stellar.
Great tees signs.
Cons: Too many open holes that are just okay. They play mainly across fields with only slight elevation and a few trees. None of the open holes are real long or truly unique, and they are not "prairie style" holes either because the entire lawn is mowed (no long grasses as borders for a more natrual look, and also punishment for an errant shot. Need to branch out and push the envelope more (once released by the school requiremnets). I mean this in regards to lack of use of the woods (thank LTC for this, it was their requirement, maybe they'll back off and we'll get some awesome wooded holes on that excellent elevation behind #17). Also use of the water hazards could play more into an advanced players landing zones. The waterway that runs across holes 5 and 6 doesn't really come into play at all. It is simply in the middle of the hole where no one should really land on their drive (or at least where I never would).
I also prefer much riskier greens and with the course being mainly open field, there aren't many here. These are not your old school style greens either that are wide open, there just isn't extreme elevation/terrain change here to make really risky greens.
Baskets. I know they are a great value and made locally, but I think they spit very bad (I admit I am not the best putter anyway, but they do spit more than others - I refer to these as the Spit Monkey brand). I think it is due to the links, they are the more rounded (rather than rectangular style) and it sounds and feels like they are composed of a different denisty metal (you can hear a softer "ching" than almost any other basket. Better than Mach 2 baskets any day though!
Lack of dual tees. I really think more tees would add what everyone else is looking for. The existing tees are probably white/red skill level. A longer, and more skillful set of blue tees would attract many more players and provide an extreme more amount of challenge (the water hazards and landing zones would come into play, and shot selection off the tee could be even more varied by bringing more trees into play on the open holes).
I also prefer much riskier greens and with the course being mainly open field, there aren't many here. These are not your old school style greens either that are wide open, there just isn't extreme elevation/terrain change here to make really risky greens.
Baskets. I know they are a great value and made locally, but I think they spit very bad (I admit I am not the best putter anyway, but they do spit more than others - I refer to these as the Spit Monkey brand). I think it is due to the links, they are the more rounded (rather than rectangular style) and it sounds and feels like they are composed of a different denisty metal (you can hear a softer "ching" than almost any other basket. Better than Mach 2 baskets any day though!
Lack of dual tees. I really think more tees would add what everyone else is looking for. The existing tees are probably white/red skill level. A longer, and more skillful set of blue tees would attract many more players and provide an extreme more amount of challenge (the water hazards and landing zones would come into play, and shot selection off the tee could be even more varied by bringing more trees into play on the open holes).
Other Thoughts: I would rather play here than Vollrath or Quarry, but Silver Creek isn't far to the north and takes my attention away. I love the quiet peaceful look here (beside playing predominatly near a county road and campus streets). The seclusion is very nice and allows you to enjoy your round. The designer and his family and friends are very proud of this baby, and it shows. I love playing 'personal' courses that have been adopted by the designers with a huge sense of pride and creativity. I anxiously await course expansion, and more use of the woods behind hole 15 (with the sharp ravine) and 17 (on that nice mound). I would personally add a new last hole on the other side of the creek, playing a long right hand turn along the slope up to the parking lot, bringing you back nearer to hole #1. I would utilize the creek as much as possible (even more), lengthen some of the open holes (if adding more wooded ones in comparison), and also bring that waterway on the front nine into play more with new landing zones and defined as OB. I hope I'm not sounding too critical, just offering some opinions. And although this course is very near a 4, I would rather play the courses I did rate a 4, so I have to knock it down by relation. My personal preference for sadistic style woods, huge risky greens, and less open fields keeps it down in my mind too. Based on what I hear and the possibilities of more risk/reward, challenge, and even more holes, I know that the pride in this course, along with these elements, could make this much more appealing than the 4 disc courses around.
With all the interest the school is seeing in the course, and the pride and effort that Jason and crew put into it, you otta pitch to get some elevated tees, terraced greens, etc. Give this a true links feel in a gorgeous setting, like Token Creek. Keep up the good work, continual improvement, and those big dreams of bigger and better (Blue tees, risky pin placements, and tight woods!)
UPDATE: Relative to my other reviews, I think this one stands out of line too much. I have to adjust it to a 3, but easily at the top of my 3's.
With all the interest the school is seeing in the course, and the pride and effort that Jason and crew put into it, you otta pitch to get some elevated tees, terraced greens, etc. Give this a true links feel in a gorgeous setting, like Token Creek. Keep up the good work, continual improvement, and those big dreams of bigger and better (Blue tees, risky pin placements, and tight woods!)
UPDATE: Relative to my other reviews, I think this one stands out of line too much. I have to adjust it to a 3, but easily at the top of my 3's.
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