Well designed variety
3 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: When I started out on the Sawyer Ludgwig course, I was worried that they'd be only using the fairly open park land, with its mature trees and only slightly rolling elevations, but I got a little excited to find out that hole 7 hinted at the woods lines to be found from holes 9 through 18. And there really is some variety here, depending on whether you choose the long tees (averaging 371') or the short (281'). The course has DisCatcher baskets and tremendous signage at the short tees (basic post signage at the longs). There are next tee arrows under the baskets where needed. Really well done, large, level, flush concrete tees are in place on almost all of the 36 locations (only a couple yet to be installed).
Feature holes for me were the wooded 'S' shaped fairway (from the long, fade from the short) in the woods on 7, the massive difference in variety on hole 13 (long sweeps through the open air left to right, over a field of rough and into a wooded gap finish, while short plays very tight and technical within the woods), and the two distinctly different lines of attack (long/short) on holes 17 AND 18. I like variety for challenge and replay factor.
The course flow is logical, and the map really depicts things pretty well (exceptions at 9 & 15, see below). There is plenty of parking just a few hundred feet from the limited spaces just between the 1st & 10th tees. There's an exceptionally well done course kiosk sign at short 1 (happenings, projects, contact info, etc.: one of the nicest I've seen), and benches & trash receptacles here and there as you play. In all, the course has all the amenities and variety to host good sanctioned tournaments, with reasonable challenges for all skill levels.
Cons: The lack of elevation in the region definitely means Sawyer Ludwig won't make you work on that element of your game, but they have done the best they could with what they had. As mentioned above, the map needs updating on a couple of holes: 9 long plays pretty much behind the short tee, and 15 starts much closer to the 14th basket, and through a short tunnel they've created to angle into the woods. I wouldn't want to play the long tee out around the wood line to the left, as it plays over an impenetrable fenced rectangle that looks a little like a dog run. Finally, it's a little difficult to find the long 17 tee: walk back quite a ways to the left from 16.
Other Thoughts: Reviewer Background as of this writing: 4.5 yrs experience at age 54, not a big gun, and not an impressive rating (Rec to Int skills), but enjoy having played over 250 courses and hopefully shared helpful info about those experiences.
3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Good Shot Variety(BH and FH)(Open and Wooded)
-Woods holes have some challenge, especially 13 and 17.
-Concrete Tees(Not huge but solid)
-Noticeable Lines(Some holes have crazy lines you wouldn't imagine, mainly those who play this daily know them but they are there.)
-Traffic is never heavy, but still a fair share of people playing.
-Friendly Locals(I know about everyone who plays this course daily, I'm one of em, and everyone is enjoyable.)
Cons: -During baseball season noise volume is loud due to games
-Train tracks across the street can have some interruption
-occasional people driving quads around(due to it being a local park)
-Lack of seating and trash cans.
-Randoms like to tear the signs off the posts, therefore most holes lack signage.
-Bathrooms are always questionable.
-During summer you get midget football practice in the field on 8(Just yell FOUR and wing it, cause that's what we do!)
Other Thoughts: This is my home course, I started playing here and love to go out everyday regardless of weather. This isn't a top of the line course but if you don't enjoy it well you don't know how to enjoy a round of DG. Maybe and hopefully I'll see you around!!
--I like to update a little about the current condition of the course. If recent rain can hold some water. Biggest flaw and stated above in the cons is the signage. Randoms rip them down every time new ones are put up so sadly it has kind of been overlooked now. Still a course I enjoy almost daily and the navigation isn't bad. Pretty much it follows smooth, 7 is in the woods behind 6 (some people might miss that, there is a pathway right behind basket 6), then heads back in the woods which flows smooth.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -nice mix of open vs. wooded, long bombs vs. short skilled shots.
-duel concete tees.
-unless it has rained a bunch, the fairways are in good condition
Cons: -needs benches.
-people need to quit stealing the signs!!!
Other Thoughts: first course i played. play it a couple times a week. first time i played i was cursing #13 and #17. now these are my favorite holes. the lines ARE there to get birdies, u just have to hit them. like brianmtown20 said "thats disc golf"!! unless its your first time playing the sport, it has nothing to do with luck. see the line, know your discs and hit it.
3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 0 Not
~Enjoyable layout, open front 9 and wooded back 9.
~Navigation is very easy and provides good flow.
~Good mix of holes throughout.
~Distances play well for a wide range of skill levels.
~Concrete tee pads.
~Baskets are in great shape.
~Course is easy to find, ample parking provided.
~8' tee pads are not quite long enough.
~A few of the wooded holes need more defined paths.
Played this course while in town for a project down the way at the steel mill. Located real close to where I was working and easy to find, it was a great way to unwind. The entire course was wet and muddy, but I expected this since it rained the entire day prior and I was actually pleased with it not being in worse condition. Played my 1st round on a fairly windy and cool day. Nice mix of holes and getting around was easy. All in all this is a very nice course with a real solid layout. I would have no problem coming back here and playing.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
10 Helpful / 0 Not
Big Community Park
A tale of two courses here: the front nine is mostly wide open and the back nine is tight and reasonably wooded. This gives a nice balance of technical vs. bomber holes. The front nine also loops back to the parking area so you can restock if necessary. Dual concrete tees here give advanced and rec players skill appropriate tee pads. Quality baskets still in good shape. Not a lot of elevation, but the open fields challenge the wind. Ample parking and restrooms available.
Posted distance on hole #9 is about 100' short of what it really is. Hole #17 is a ping-pong hole that needs some trees cleared out to make a legit fairway; as it is now that hole is more luck than skill. The tee pads here are just a bit short, I had to compact my x-step or I was falling off the front of the boxes.
Hole #15 could use a Mando through the gap, otherwise the alternate route around the left side makes the hole completely different and easier. Sawyer is a solid Intermediate level course, as you get to the Advanced and up levels I suspect the better players will be bored with the repetitive holes.
10 of 10 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Good park setting, with minimal interference between course and other park activities. Nice mix of open holes with enough mature trees to keep things interesting on the front nine (with one tight wooded hole, number 7), and more tight technical holes on the back nine. Course relatively easy to navigate, with just a couple of potential problems. Tee pads in good shape, albeit somewhat short.
Front nine ends back at the parking area near hole 1, making for a true front/back nine experience, though 18 finishes a little ways from the parking/hole 1 area.
Park has ample parking close to the course, adjacent to tee areas for holes 1 & 10, allowing you to start on either the front or back nine. Restrooms beside the parking area. Course map/scorecards at kiosk near short pad for hole 1.
Cons: Shule is thick to impenetrable in some places on the back 9. Navigation issue of missing hole 7 seems to have been resolved by placing a very obvious sign pointing to it on the trees behind the basket for hole 6, but it's still possible to miss the long tee area (and indeed, the entire long layout fairway) for hole 13 if you don't look carefully at the map -- there's a clear path leading away from the basket for 12, but if you take it you can only get to the short pad/fairway for 13. The long pad and fairway for 13 are reached by heading around a line of small trees behind the basket for 12, in the opposite direction from the visible path.
Hole 13 is unusual in that the fairways for the long and short layouts are completely different -- the short version is a tight line through the woods to the pin, while the long version is a completely open straight shot down a reasonably wide fairway with high grass to the left and thick shule to the right (between the long and short fairways) until just before you reach the pin location, which is tucked well back into the woods on the right at nearly a ninety degree angle. While the long version isn't a bad hole in the abstract, in many respects it's very similar to hole 11, which (though shorter) plays very much the same -- tee from near the beginning of a line of woods on the right with an open fairway and tall grass to the left, to a pin tucked into the woods on the right. Having two holes so similar to one another with only a single hole between them makes the long version of 13 feel somewhat repetitive.
Other Thoughts: Front nine rewards throwing far on several holes, without a lot of risk/reward choices -- you can be way off your line on most holes without hurting yourself too much (except on hole 7). Distance matters a lot less on the back nine, where control and shot-shaping are much more critical, and where thick and unforgiving shule lines the fairway on many holes. I'd sort of prefer a layout that mixed things up between these two different styles more, so that they came into play on the same hole at times or at least so that it were less all one or the other on each half, but that might have been tough to do given the available land/space and course flow/navigation considerations.
There was at least one discrepancy between the layout for Am Worlds and the course map here -- hole 17 had only one tee pad, which seemed to be the shorter of the two shown on the map.
All in all, this is a course worth playing if you're in the area; I didn't love it, but I didn't regret playing it.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Not as tight as I expected
Pros: Long and short tees
Nice mix of open and wooded holes
Cons: Short tee pads
Very little elevation
Other Thoughts: This is a decent course. After hearing the Am Worlds are gonna swing through here, I planned to hit it this spring. Being another MOOD course, I expected it to be ridiculously tight. It wasn't.
Actually, the front nine to ten holes (with the exception of 6, I believe) are quite open. Uncharacteristic of the other courses they designed. The back nine is much more typical - tight and unforgiving. Throw soft as possible. The lines you need to hit back here are narrow at best.
The front is loaded with deuces. The back is full of chance. Ultimately, its a very balanced course.
Not much to speak of in terms of hazards - just tree's and tight fairways. No water or elevation or mandos or OB factors come to mind.
It's a serviceable local course but not a destination course.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 8 Not
The Best to be
Pros: Well designed course great job Ken Rollins. Trash cans are placed all over the course. I personally made two benches in 09' on holes 7 and 13. Hole-to-hole navigation signs are coming in the spring of 2010. The big navigation mistake is hole 6 to 7. Seven is just directly behind the sixes pin. It is a small trail. Also hole distance and layout signs will be in spring of 10'. THE BACK IS HARD and that is why a lot of people don't like the course but tuff S@*& that's disc golf. Hole 13 is one of the best holes in Ohio because it is hard. I have had birdies on it and I have taken 8's on it. It is very tight. The woods make the course. Hole 7 is a double hyzer and one of the only wooded holes on the front. The course will be worked on alot spring of 2010. I got a group of about 6 or 7 people ready to work in the spring on the course because of the 2010 AM worlds.
2 of 10 people found this review helpful.
8 Helpful / 0 Not
Newer Tee Pads
Bathrooms in Park
Very Short Tee Pads
Tee Signs (No Map, Distance, or Par Marked)
Small Navigation Issues
No Benches or Trashcans
This is a nice sized and well rounded course. There are a variety of holes that vary in distance. Park can be a little hard to locate, but once you are there, the course is really easy to spot.
The front nine really vary in distance, but are mostly open. The designers did make good use of some matures trees in the fairways and near the baskets. Wind can be a huge factor on the front nine and can really carry your disc, fortunately there isn't a lot of rough and what is there is rather forgiving.
One navigation issues we had, which wasn't really that bad at all, was between hole 8 and 9. When you are at the basket for 8 you can see a tee pad directly to you right, just on the other side of the fenced in area in the park. This is the tee for hole 15. The tee for 9 is more towards the parking lot. Hole 9 and 10 play in the little grove next to the parking lot, and 11 is on the back side of the woods, near the baseball diamond.
The back nine are shorter and play in the woods. What the back nine lacks in distance it makes up for with tight technical shots. The fairways are tight and the rough is pretty hard to recover from. Its not too thick, discs are pretty easy to spot, but the trees can be thick and finding a route back out can be difficult. In my opinion the fairways could be opened up a bit more and a couple don't really have clear enough fairways to make a great intentional shot, in other words a couple "poke and hopes" on the course.
The course does have a couple blind shots where you might have to walk at least halfway down the fairway to spot the basket, but not so many that it is annoying. We also had a slight navigational issues once we finished up 18. We followed a huge path that was cut up into the woods that led back to the parking lot, but about 4 feet from the edge of the woods the path ended, and was blocked by a huge pile of brush and downed logs that we had to climb over. We didn't see the actual path out, so can't be much help there, but I can tell you not to follow the huge path that runs parallel to the fairway for 18 unless you want to climb through the brush pile. Another big con for me was the tee signs. All of the tees were marked with a sign, but the map of the hole was missing and no par, or distance was listed.
Overall the course played pretty well. It has a really good variety and plays nicely. If they could clean it up a bit, add some trash cans and benches it would really help with the overall look and feel of the course. The course could really use some newer, well longer, tee pads. Each tee pad was about 5 feet long and it was really hard to get a good run up. I really can't see this happening however because the tee pads are in really good condition. Another great addition to the course would be updating the tee signs with maps of each hole and especially mark the distance of each hole.
If you are in the area this is definitely a course worth checking out. It only take about an hour and fifteen minutes to an hour and half to play, so you will have plenty of time to check out some other courses in the area. As I stated before there are no trashcans throughout the course, so please remember to pack out what you pack in.
Update: Apparently we had a bit more navigation issue than we thought. When I was uploading the photos I realized that we missed hole #7 completely. I think that it must have been into the woods behind the basket for #6. From the basket of 6 you can see the tee for #8 right beside you, so we thought this was the next hole.
Update 2: Added some pros to the list.
8 of 8 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 3 Not
Pros: 18 hole course in nice city park. Front 9 easy to navigate, the back flows pretty well. Good baskets. It starts out by a creek, but it shouldn't come into play.
Cons: The front 9 is pretty easy, no real trouble or major length. The back is newer and much more difficult (and needs some maturity to make actual fairways.) The con for me is the extreme difference in the level of difficultly between the front and back.
This course was very muddy all over when I played it so take this into consideration if it has rained a lot.
Other Thoughts: [Original Review] -> This course was originally a 9 hole open course, and 9 more wooded holes were added later. I feel courses constructed this way just don't have the kind of continuity that a planned 18 hole course has.] -
Update-> I have been informed that the course was designed as an 18 hole course from the beginning, just in two 9-hole stages. However, this does not change my opinion that the front and back are completely different in style, and I personally prefer more of a back and forth mix between open and wooded.
The front 9 would make a great course for newer players or for the whole family. The back 9 had just been added last time I played it (2006).
*2nd Update- This course has apparently matured nicely as they are hosting Am Worlds in 2010. Hopefully I will get a chance to play it again sometime soon.
6 of 9 people found this review helpful.
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