Different from most in the Valley of the Sun
Pros: Not your typical treeless desert course. The mesquite trees are a definite challenge for this hacker. They force you into all kinds of interesting shot selections (if you have them, which I don't). Usually very quiet, we are often the only ones playing. Port-a-john at the entrance. Picnic tables (mostly in the shade) at Hole 7 basket and Hole 10 tee. We enjoy the seclusion of this course as a break from the often crowded Paseo Vista (which is a much better course). Plus, for our limited skills, the mesquite trees and narrow lanes to throw through present an interesting challenge for us. Maps are okay at most of the tees. Some with the hole number kinda faded and misleading directions and distances a bit off (distances for 7 and 8 are way off, I've corrected them in the hole info and in the course map in the Links/Files tab). Baskets have arrows below the basket on the poles that point to next tee which are mostly accurate. Although there are really only nine baskets, it is laid out in such a way that some of them you don't even recognize when you are coming back at them from a different direction on the back nine. Kinda cool.
Cons: The mesquite trees. While these are the source of the challenge on this course, I can almost guarantee you will end up bloodied from digging your disc out from under or out of the tree. These are not your typically well manicured and tall landscape mesquites that you can walk under. These are in their natural state where they are more like huge 15-25ft tall bushes with their branches reaching the ground. This course would be pretty cool if Chandler actually trimmed these mesquites. We just play from behind the tree if we end up with an unplayable shot either in or under the tree without penalty. We are not big sticklers for the formal rules. Just informal hackers that enjoy throwing the discs. Dusty. Flat. Very hot in summer (May through middle of October) if played after 10am. Of course that kinda applies to anything outside in the desert during summer. If you are playing in summer, you will want/need some water. In the fall/winter/early spring (Middle of October through maybe April) you can get by without. Or at least we can. Signs missing at holes 4, 17 and 18 but the poles are still marked with the numbers. No concrete tees, but the dirt is almost as hard as concrete. If you don't have a map, you will spend some time scouting out the location of the baskets until you learn the course. Since some of the baskets are kinda close to each other, it can be a bit confusing. Download the map in the Links/Files tab. Unfortunately, some people seem to be in the habit of letting their dogs use this place as a bathroom (mostly around the first couple of holes). Watch out for the dog crap. As one reviewer mentioned, the layout can be hazardous with blind shots, doubling back, crossing/shared fairways, etc, but since we see so few other people here during our preferred times, it is has never been an issue for us.
Other Thoughts: Front nine are tougher since there are more blind shots with narrower lanes to shoot through. The back nine has a few more open and shorter holes and play easier for me. 17 is particularly interesting as you are basically guessing at where the basket is even after you have scouted it out and walked back to the tee. You either take the safe way out and follow the slightly open lane out to the path where you can see the basket or you try your luck at winging it 188ft over a few copses of mesquites and hoping for the best hoping that you can at least find your disc. Surprisingly, as many times as we have blindly ended up in or under trees, I don't think we have ever walked away without all of our discs.
Not a pretty course at all but since it is pretty close by, it holds a special place in our hearts.
Check out the links/files tab for a course map I constructed using Google Earth from phone GPS coords and knowledge of the course. There is wildlife out here. The area is full of little burrowing chipmunks, or something like that, so you will see them skittering around from one of their holes to another. Haven't seen any snakes but it is the dessert so they have to be there somewhere. If you have never played a desert course, this probably shouldn't be first on your list to try. In my mind, Paseo Vista takes that honor (in this part of the valley at least). If you have but you haven't played here, give it a shot. You might enjoy the desert "forest" at Mesquite Groves.
Navigational Aids Help On This Course!
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: This is another example of a desert course where the terrain is hard packed dry dirt which actually ends up being a decent surface on which to play. The course is very flat with these nasty ass mesquite trees providing the main obstacles. You're forever throwing over, under and around them. The main problem arises when your disc lands in/under one of them. More on that issue later.
For the most part, the course has navigational signs which are welcomed and much needed here. On the last two holes where the signs were missing, I became lost very quickly. As previous reviewers have commented on, the course only has nine baskets but plays 18 holes. But that isn't readily apparent because the course is designed so well. The tee pads are natural and on some holes the same pad is used for two different holes throwing in opposite directions. The tee signs are both on the same pole facing in different directions. Pretty clever design, I think.
The course is surrounded by a chain link fence on all four sides and with the high school athletic field bordering one side. There are gates/openings in many places on this fence so errant throws came be retrieved without scaling the fence. I'm also surprised that there's not more vandalism/trash/graffiti on this course as high school students are usually not too kind to disc golf courses.
Cons: The mesquite trees are really thorny, grabby and nasty. As mentioned before, trying to retrieve your disc from them could often lead to bleeding limbs and foul words.
The flatness, the dirt, and the mesquite trees do not add up to a pretty course. I was really surprised that the course was not trashier than it was. It just seems like a place where people would dump trash, especially with the high school so close. Maybe I should say Kudos to someone for keeping the course relatively litter free.
There were some signs missing near the end (and along the high school side of the fence) of the course around hole 17. I was lost without them. I was hurrying to get through this course and pretty much just skipped 17 and 18 without the signs. Didn't have enough time to really investigate those last two holes. I was disappointed in not getting to play them.
Other Thoughts: On golf courses a player is allowed to "Take Relief" at times such as when there is standing water on the fairway. I think on this course, a player should be able to "Take Relief" when your disc lands under or in a mesquite tree. It would save a lot of cut up hands and arms and make this course a little more enjoyable.
Course designers did a surprisingly nice job creating an enjoyable course out of a fairly drab desert environment here. Their creativity should be commended!
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Finally some trees on a course in the Pheonix area! Mesquite trees on the course make you actually choose a line. This provides a challenge not found elsewhere in the area. The teesigns are decent enough and on the baskets there are arrows pointing you where the next tee is. THis definately helps out. Decent mix of long and short holes. Ground is bare and therefore porbably hard to lose a disc here. Easy parking right by tee one. A port a potty is there as well and some trashcans. A few picnic tables on the course under trees that provide a place to rest.
Cons: Definate navigation issues though the next tee signs on the bottom pole of each basket does help. It is an 18 hole course, but I believe all of the 9 baskets are used twice. However depending on how you look at the basket determines the number on the plate you see. The holes are shared as well as some of the fairways so you really have to be careful of other players on the course or someone could easily get hurt. The total elevation change on this course can't be more then 2.5 feet or 3 tops. FLAT as can be. The baskets are a mix of types and some are rather worn.
Other Thoughts: There are quiet a few negatives about this course that I wrote, but don't let that get in the way of enjoying this course. The simple fact that there are trees, though a lot smaller than I am used to, makes this course a definate challenge. You actually have to think about where you throw and what line to take. This is quite different from all other courses in the area where you just throw it down the fairway. Definately a change of pace and worthy of playing again. Can certianly get hot in the summer so bring some fluids.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
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