3 Helpful / 1 Not
Frustrating Course Layout
Pros: This course's only obstacles were Mesquite trees. It was interesting terrain and very isolated. There were some blind pin locations and some interesting lines. It was easy to find and has a port-a-potty right at the entrance. signs were well detailed but had issues (see Cons). Baskets were in decent condition.
Cons: Mesquite trees were the only obstacles, they have thorns which makes chasing down errant throws painful. Though they are actually trees, the Mesquite trees can easily be thrown over. Spike Hyzers seem to be the shot of choice as there is no reason not to go over the trees. The course was very repetitive, by the 6th hole I felt like I had played the same hole six times. There are serious navigation issues here. My group felt we took longer finding the where to throw then actually throwing. There are blind baskets which have other hole's baskets in view adding to the confusion. The signs were adequate, but the small aerial pictures were inaccurate and the distances listed on them seemed inaccurate. The tees were dirt and due to the random placement of the tee signs in relation with the "tees boxes" it was very hard to tell what was in fact the tee box and which way we were supposed to throw.
Other Thoughts: Very frustrating round of golf for my group. I highly recommend trying to find some locals who play here often to help you get around the course the first time. I also suggest finding a stick or something of the sort to help pull discs from under the thorny Mesquite trees. There is very little grass so baseline (DX or the like) plastic will get pretty beat up on this course. Very little shade in the afternoon, bring water and sunscreen
This course could be significantly better if the navigation issues were fixed and you spent less time wondering which basket to throw at.
3 of 4 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Finally some trees on a course in the Pheonix area! Mesquite trees on the course make you actually choose a line. This provides a challenge not found elsewhere in the area. The teesigns are decent enough and on the baskets there are arrows pointing you where the next tee is. THis definately helps out. Decent mix of long and short holes. Ground is bare and therefore porbably hard to lose a disc here. Easy parking right by tee one. A port a potty is there as well and some trashcans. A few picnic tables on the course under trees that provide a place to rest.
Cons: Definate navigation issues though the next tee signs on the bottom pole of each basket does help. It is an 18 hole course, but I believe all of the 9 baskets are used twice. However depending on how you look at the basket determines the number on the plate you see. The holes are shared as well as some of the fairways so you really have to be careful of other players on the course or someone could easily get hurt. The total elevation change on this course can't be more then 2.5 feet or 3 tops. FLAT as can be. The baskets are a mix of types and some are rather worn.
Other Thoughts: There are quiet a few negatives about this course that I wrote, but don't let that get in the way of enjoying this course. The simple fact that there are trees, though a lot smaller than I am used to, makes this course a definate challenge. You actually have to think about where you throw and what line to take. This is quite different from all other courses in the area where you just throw it down the fairway. Definately a change of pace and worthy of playing again. Can certianly get hot in the summer so bring some fluids.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 1 Not
worth a try if in the area
Pros: Mostly good signs with very helpful next tee arrows. Plays fast and hard to lose a disc. Lots of opportunities to make your own variation. Signs are pretty accurate (one or two are missing and one hole was a lot longer than listed)- but you can pretty much look at the sign throw the distance it shows and look for your disc near the basket. Good birdie course. More character than a park with a few tress.
Cons: Flat, but not as ugly as the photos look. I never saw a soul. If you had multiple groups, the course would be a little hazardous. After a while, I could get bored here easily.
Other Thoughts: I almost skipped this course due to low level reviews. I actually enjoyed this course as much as the park 18 hole courses up north.
2 of 3 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 4 Not
Pros: Clever layout of baskets and for a flat course, was nice to let some rip from the drive.
Cons: HOT! As someone has mentioned....don't land in the shrubs. I grab a randon stick to help with the ones that were stuck.
Other Thoughts: Yes....it's Arizona, so it's gonna be hot. BRING WATER
0 of 4 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 1 Not
Desert Courses Are Cool
Pros: Never crowded. Easy to keep an eye on your throws (only a few blinds).
All tees are level (the whole course is). Ingenius use of the holes for a back 9. It isn't like playing backwards.
Never muddy or flooded after rains (it is a desert course!!), so it is always ready for some use when the park courses (that are essentially water retention basins for the flash floods you get in the desert monsoons) are flooded/ muddy. Great use of the land.
The High School kids never interfere with your game (course is next to Basha High). Excellent signage that really give a good visualization of the hole.
The area is Disc Golf Exclusive!! The only porta potty there is always clean. Holes are in good condition
Decent mix of holes, only a few long ones, but still a decent variety
Cons: Most holes are too wide open. Not as challenging as I like. Used a lot of hyzers/ hooks, over and over. Way to far out of town. It is as far southeast as you can get in Maricopa County.
Other Thoughts: A MUST PLAY COURSE IN MARICOPA COUNTY!!!!
THIS IS A DESERT COURSE!!!! In most deserts you have a flat, hard pan (sand/ rocks, not dirt) WITHOUT grass and ground cover (although in the spring, the whole place gets a bunch of ground cover that you can lose your disc in easily if it ain't a bright color)...Thorny trees, bushes, and cacti. Play the course as it is, and APPRECIATE an alternate to the "Park Courses" we are used to.
Bring something to hydrate. No water available, It Gets Hot As Hell(100-120 F)!!! May thru Oct.
Favorite Holes: #14. Pretty open from the tee, then gets tight at the hole. There is a Lil window that I can get a wild S-turn thru LHBH. Trips the crew out everytime I get thru
5 of 6 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Dsert Maze of Thorns
Pros: Well, theres some variety of left and right curves, as well as some open holes that let you air it out a bit. Most of the course is "tunnel shots" with fairways bounded by thorny desert trees that your disc likes to slide underneath on errant drives.
The layout is actually a fairly creative flowing one. It uses 9 baskets for 18 holes, and usually you don't realize you've played to the basket before until you walk up to it and see the other tee box. Generally, you play away from the parking lot on 1-9, then back towards it or 10-18. The baskets have the hole numbers printed on the chastity belt/rejection bar facing the tee. So, if holes 5 and 15 play to the same basket, you see the 5 when you approach it from the 5 tee, and the 15 when you approach from the 15 tee.
Most holes have tee signs with hole maps that tell you which way the next tee is from that basket.
Many blind shots make force some technical shots
Cons: Flat as a pancake. This whole course is on a flat, hard-packed, bone-dry dirt. This makes for nice level tees, but also it quite boring. Also, discs have a tendency to skip and slide along the ground, which can land them under the nasty shrub/trees waiting everywhere for you. Playing from a lie of an errant shot under these bushes is often impossible and/or painful. Retrieving discs from under them is BRUTAL. Bring a telescoping pole for retrieval, its worth its weight in blood, sweat and swear words on this course.
A few holes are missing their tee signs, and some tees are quite far from the previous basket. Due to all the thick walls of thorny bushes, this place is like a maze, so its easy to get lost trying to find the next tee.
This course has some strange flow. Sometimes it seems like you have to walk around a lot between holes. Its amazing how they crammed so many holes into a fenced in rectangle of that size, but better markers would've saved a lot of time searching for the next hole.
Baskets and/or Tees for 17 & 18 are missing or unmarked. Either way, I was unable to find the tee and just played to the basket closest to the car which we hadn't used yet on the back nine.
This course would benefit from signs at each basket, directing you to the next tee, or at least painted basket spokes (one color for front nine, another color for back nine). By the time you get to the basket, you've often forgotten which way it said the next tee was, and you can seldom take a direct route due to the maze of thorns.
The tee signs are hard to see nestled between the 15-20ft high desert bushes everywhere. If they could tie surveyors tape to the bushes to lead you to the next tee, like hansel and gretel, it would make things easier. (once again, since its two sets of 9, a different color for each)
Also helpful would be a course map to give a big picture overview of a course that gets disorienting from the ground.
Other Thoughts: There is a restroom at the start of the course, but no water fountain. Bring a hat and lots of water, this course has no shade and the ground is cracked from the intense AZ sun. Also, a printed course map or a local would be very helpful when playing this course.
On the course I ran into some locals who said they prefer this course over Vista Del Camino or Mouer Park because they were sick of losing discs in the water, and liked the relatively simple challenges of this course.
I can understand their views, but I would rather play either of those courses than this one.
This isn't a bad course, and actually is reasonably technical with some tight fairway shots. Its just that the Cons vastly outnumber what few Pros there are. With easier navigation between holes, a good map, and tee signs+marked baskets on every hole, this could be a 2.0 course, but right now its just a brutal, mediocre desert course that will frustrate you both with navigation and painful thorns.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 1 Not
Tough course to love
Pros: For being a "play backward for 18" course where all the baskets are used twice, it was pretty cleverly laid out to maximize double-use baskets. Good course entry sign.
Cons: This course is hard to love...
It is perfectly flat on hard-packed dirt. It seems like every plant on the course has thorns.
Most holes are clones of a single idea, "The basket is right behind that giant clump of thorny trees - good luck" I kept trying to find something to like but I think of all of the courses in Phoenix that get low marks for bland terrain - this is the most bland - just a dusty flat field of mesquite trees.
I think just about every hole on the front nine had to be scouted. We probably walked the course 3x further than normal because of so many blind shots. If the measure of a good course is the necessity of a variety of shots and tricks, I think the blind shot idea was used to the point of overkill.
There were really no fairways on the "closed" holes that rewarded good aim. The result was just throw after throw through thick brush.
The holes that were "open" were just throwing across empty dirty fields.
Other Thoughts: The best part of this course was the creative implemetation of the back 9 - I found myself approaching a hole and getting ready to putt before recognizing the basket from the first round.
Bland, dusty, harsh, far, uninspired.
Only play this course if you are a local and want to check it off a list.
4 of 5 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 1 Not
Probably won't be back
Pros: Some interesting tunnel shots and shots around big, nasty patches of mesquite. Signage was in place on most holes.
Cons: Mesquite bushes are prickly and left me cut and bleeding. Kind of hard to follow because of confusing layout that plays each basket twice, once in and one out. Seems like this would create a dangerous situation, if there were ever many people playing the course.
Other Thoughts: Nice to have a course next to a high school to introduce kids to the game, but this course is so pickly and dusty that it might turn them off instead.
5 of 6 people found this review helpful.
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