7 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Base Camp Outfitters is passionate about skiing. In the warmer months, when there's no snow on the ground, they shift their focus to a new passion: disc golf. I've seen other outdoor stores that sell discs. But none have a staff as knowledgable and excited about the sport as BCO.
The course starts next to the store with a big right turning downhill shot. After two more long open holes, the course moves into the woods and plays through cross-country ski and snowshoe trails.
The variety here is great. With a nice mix of elevation, distance, and fairway shapes, each hole has a unique feel to it. Every tee shot forces players to strategize carefully to choose the best shot for that hole.
Every green is reachable from the tee. However, the pin positions are very well chosen such that there are no easy birdies. On the shorter holes, technical greens and guardian trees emphasize placement off the tee. The longer holes have more accessable greens so that accurate distance is rewarded.
One thing I particularly like about this course is that it doesn't force throwing lines. Many wooded courses feature very early trees that completely obscure specific lines. Here though, there is plenty of open space to allow players to decide for themselves what line will work best.
Being able to visualize the right lines and then execute using a multitude of throwing styles will make players successful here.
Cons: This land is swampy. The really wet areas are OB, but unfortunately, that doesn't stop discs from going in there. Errant tee shots can find their way into some really unforgiving terrain requiring the thrower to tip-toe over logs (if you're lucky) or get wet and muddy trying to retrieve them.
Holes 1, 2 and 18 all criss-cross and can create safety concerns.
The tee signs are positioned poorly. They are all set at the front of the tee box, usually on the right side where a RHBH throw will follow through. Although I don't think I would have actually hit any, seeing them there can make the follow through more tentative. On a number of holes I actually threw from the middle of the teebox to stay away from the signs.
Other Thoughts: This course is definitely worth the trip. Enjoy the VT scenery on the way in and then enjoy playing disc golf on a wonderfully designed wooded course.
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 5 Not
Tougher than it looks, and lots of fun
Pros: Concrete teepads make for a great playing experience. The different hole layouts challenged me to use all of my shot types. Good variety of hole lengths--some of medium length (birdy-able), and others I was happy to get par on. The course is kept well maintained, so beginners could enjoy the challenging course without losing many discs in uncut grass or getting too frustrated. Great scenery too.
Cons: A little mud after a big rain storm, but hey, that's to be expected in VT afterall. But there's always bridges/footpaths over those areas. Just part of the great outdoors!
Other Thoughts: M@Marro's review hit the nail on the head. couldn't agree more.
0 of 5 people found this review helpful.
13 Helpful / 1 Not
ARGUABLY TOP 3, BUT HANDS DOWN TOP 5 COURSES IN THE STATE
Pros: - Beautiful Scenery. The area in general of Killington, Vermont is a gorgeous one. This course takes advantage of tee boxes and fairways with wonderful views of the Green Mountains. The disc golf at Base Camp Outfitters winds through both coniferous and deciduous forests accented with ancient stone walls, 300 year-old maple property lines, cattail ridden marshlands, as well as open fields that perfectly break up wooded play throughout. When the disc gods don't seem to be on your side for the day, you can always look around and feel at ease thinking, "Well, it sure is pretty out."
- Amazingly Well Maintained. It seems like a no brainer right? You have a great course, why not take care of it? Well for what it's worth, New England courses can grow over a foot in a weeks time and skipping a week of mowing can turn an otherwise great day, into an unwanted easter egg hunt even within a fairway. I've never seen this course in a condition even remotely unmaintained. Sides of hills are mowed, greens are trimmed, brush is cleared seemingly constantly, tee boxes are weed-wacked, trash/recycling buckets on every hole are emptyed on a weekly bases. There really isn't much more one could ask for in terms of a condition of such a relatively new course.
- Concrete Tee Pads. I've played on very few concrete tee pads but certainly haven't met one I didn't like. These pads are 4' wide X 12 ' long and level. The only real problem with them, is you can't blame a bad shot off the tee due to roots or slipping on natural terrain. Grip and rip it.
- Interesting Greens. I'm biased when it comes to interesting and challenging greens, so that should be known. I love a tough a green. Now don't get me wrong, hard for the sake of hard isn't what I'm speaking of, nor does this course have any of that particular ilk. They are tough, fair, and incredibly interesting. First of all, baskets on blind shots boast tall orange flags visible from the tee. Certainly a plus. But as for the greens in general, few to none are simply flat, open, and/or ordinary. Base Camp Outfitters took advantage of terrain in every sense of the word when it comes to your up shot (or hopefully drive) landing near a basket. The course consists of two hanging baskets (1 and 13) both with punishments for an over throw, 10 greens with elevation drama and tough rolls for disc fading on an edge (2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 18 ), 3 greens with OB to look out for (3, 4 and 16) and 3 greens with natural or man made features to keep your mind wondering and eyes wandering ( 7, 14, and 17.)
- Variety Of Shots. To put it simply, you'll be throwing every kind of shot in your bag if not every disc in your bag at least once. Hyzers, Anhyzers, backhands, flicks, overhands, rollers, flip hazers, anhyzer flicks, turn-over shots, long bombs, short technical ups, lay-up puts spike hyzers, floating shots, long glides, and what-ever else you think of that can get you coming in under par.
- Risk Vs. Reward. - "To go for it or not to go for it." It's the eternal question and one of the hardest aspects of playing smart golf. Sure it's a par 3 course and EVERY single hole HAS BEEN and CAN be birdied. So good luck trying to string 18 of those birdies together. The difficulty in a course like this is picking your battles. At a recent tourney (JULY 1rst 2012), the pro division that shot par over 2 rounds came in smack dead in the middle of the pack. Meaning 50 % of the pros in the tournement shot OVER PAR. And the simplest explanation of that fact is the course's "Risk Vs. Reward" effect. Choosing to go big on a shot and not succeeding can spell dissaster. You can turn a birdie fantasy into a double bogey reality before you have you the time curse properly. The longer par 3's on this course seem so tantalizing that you feel much like Oddysseus trying to block out the seductive song of the sirens. And before you know it, you're 3 down on the front nine has you wondering how you came to a place so quickly, digging yourself back, trying your hardest just to par out the round. Risk Vs. Reward on this course comes down to the particular strengths of your game. You might save your attempt for a shorter tighter birdie attempt if that's your strong suit, or going for a long straight bomb if that's your thing, or working the elevations changes if that's where your game flourishes; the point is, if you go for 'em all, chances are, you'll wish you hadn't, but it'll also keep you coming back for more.
- Playability - The course keeps you wanting more. You'll want another crack at it, and another, and another. 10 under par is right there at the tip of your disc, but still no one has come close.
Cons: - Temporary Baskets. Although double chains, these baskets still have a hard time catching laser puts, bombed drives, and can toss out a disc more than one might like.
- Location. Although it's amazingly easy to find and even easier to get to, it's a hard course to work into an out-of-state road trip. Most of Vermont's courses are further North than Base Camp Outfitters, you should plan on playing it either on your way up North or on your way back down and try to make a day of it. Camping is all around the area
- Can be muddy at times but mostly only in the spring. Changes have been made in the past year to drain water in the few holes where it has been a problem Wear shoes and you'll be fine.
- Several fairways cross tee boxes.
- Some of the big blind bombs require spotting, and if you can't see the basket and it's your first time through, take the time to do so. It's worth the time saved in searching for discs. Remember to ring the cow bell when holing out blind drives. Sometimes a shout of "clear" get's lost in the hills.
- At times the first 3 holes can be windy and add to the challenge. It's certainly part of the game, and you have to make sure to change your game around it. The wind certainly dies down once you get to hole 4 and is by no means a constant hazard. But man, when it's wipping, throw hard and throw over stable.
- It's a par 3 course. Take it or leave it. Some folks love par 3's, some would rather par's 60 or over.
Other Thoughts: Great pro shop and wonderful staff. Stop in and ask if you have any questions. Plus, the owners (Mike and Dianne Miller) are always willing to hear comments of praise or criticism alike.
13 of 14 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 8 Not
Great course even in Sketchy conditions
Pros: A real hike. Very interesting holes lots of great obstacles.
Cons: We were the first people to play of the season and the place was covered in ice. It was obvious some maintenance was needed. but i am sure it is awesome now.
0 of 8 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 3 Not
one of VT's best
Pros: I played this course last year and really liked it a lot. My biggest complaint was all the wet areas and lack of tee pads. They took care of that and then added small touches that really stand out. First off, I love the layout. They use natural features perfectly and now the added concrete tee pads. All 18 holes are done and they are all the same size. I think it is like 4x12. Plenty big. And then they built 100 ft, bridge on 11 and added drainage everywhere else. I played in sneakers and was shocked. I was not expecting dry feet. They also do many of the small things, trash buckets at every hole, benches and hole description signs on every hole, On some of the blind shots they have flags on extension poles so you can identify where the target is. Very helpful and then something I have not seen yet, a bell to let people know when you have finished the hole. These people have put some time and effort into this course and it shows.
Cons: I will have to look for some next time
Other Thoughts: This course is worth traveling for to play. When I was there some of the other players did come from far away and they shared my same thoughts. A must stop if you are in Vermont. Good selection of disc product as well.
3 of 6 people found this review helpful.
9 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: The course plays through rolling hills in the woods. Many of the holes use cross country ski trails for part or all of the fairway, others play in tighter woods. There is enough rough that you'll really have to get creative when you miss your line, though not enough to make the course a real disc eater. There are a few more open holes mixed in for variety, most of these have nice elevation changes to keep them interesting. The hills on the course are used well in general to add challenge and variety, and a few pin placements use hillsides to add some risk to the short game. The basket on a stump is a nice touch that is visually interesting and makes for a fun putt.
There is great variety of lines here, with a fairly balanced set of left, right and straight holes. With a mix of fairway widths and early vs. late turns, you'll need a wide set of shots to be successful here. The baskets are temporary, but are staked down and catch perfectly fine. The tees are marked, with good flow making it easy to follow the course. There are maps and scorecards available, with individual hole layouts on the back of the scorecard. This makes the lack of tee signs a non-issue.
Cons: There is enough room here for some multi-shot holes, the majority of the course plays fairly short. I would have loved to see a few longer holes that make you really focus on fairway shots rather than just drive and putt on most holes. The tees are mediocre, many are not level and don't provide great footing. They are also fairly small, though with generally shorter hole lengths you shouldn't need a huge runup.
There are a few holes at the beginning and end of the course that overlap and cross, a potential safety issue though it doesn't seem like the course gets too terribly crowded. Several holes held water, and were pretty swampy, make sure you're prepared for deep mud if you play after rain.
Other Thoughts: This is a very fun course, with lots of variety and nice wooded technical shots. Beginners will have a lot of fun from the shorter tees, there are some tight lines and rough but the holes aren't too long and there are opportunities for recovery shots. More experienced players won't find it too terribly challenging, though the longs do offer some interesting lines to hit. It is a lot of fun though, and worth a stop if you're in the area.
The people in the shop seemed very nice and helpful, and were interested in our feedback on the course. They have a limited selection of discs for sale.
9 of 10 people found this review helpful.
7 Helpful / 0 Not
Fun Par 3 Disc Golf!
Pros: · Par 3 disc golf!
· Easy to navigate with many next tee signs plus map/scorecard available when paying (pipes at long tees have hole # and distance painted on them therefore the lack of formal 'tee signs' showing hole layout is not a con since this info is on back of the scorecard)
· Sense of balance in left/right/straight throws with some different looks/lanes off the tee allowing creativity in shot/disc selection
· The course is mostly wooded, flows exceptionally well and mixes in the breather holes with the more technical ones much to my liking
· Sensible use of elevation throughout with some 'out of the ordinary' basket placements (2 hanging baskets, one on a stump, another elevated on a rock - plus others with roll away potential) without being gimmicky.
· Three tees (longs/mids are gravel with shorts being natural). Baskets are mobile DISCatchers (orange flags would help seeing them better on some of the woods holes)
· Something I haven't seen previously - on a couple blind holes from the tee (#3 for example), there was a cow bell attached to the basket to ring after you holed out (most likely a remainder from the tournament a few days prior)
· In the marshy/swampy areas there are boards, logs, etc to aid in crossing.
· Disc loss probability seemed low except for some marshes that you wouldn't want to traverse in order to retrieve an errant throw.
Staff was extremely friendly, helpful & patiently answered my many questions
Apparently the course was re-designed and it appears they just about got it right (even though I've never played the previous incarnation)
Cons: · A few possible conflicts: #2 and 18's fairways 'cross' (though it's not 'blind' thankfully). Additionally, #3 & 17's pins as well as 4's tee are all centralized in one general area where there's a potential for errant throws to interfere with play.
· Pay to play ($6 per person for the entire day - worth it actually, I'm just not a ptp fan)
· Some very swampy areas which in turn produce more annoying insects. The person working that day indicated the wetness at this time of year (early July) is not typical of the season.
Other Thoughts: I love me some par 3 woods disc golf - it typically indicates a fun and enjoyable round & Base Camp Outfitters fits this description perfectly. Two-thirds of the holes on the course are between 190-299ft involving tricky components such as elevation changes & strategic basket placements - nevertheless the primary test here is accurately navigating the woods. No worries for those without a 'big arm' as only a third of the course contains holes over 300ft (2 holes over 400ft with 4 between 300-355ft). Add in the multiple tees and players of a variety of skill levels will find this place appealing - especially with the ample scoring opportunities (although they may not be so fond of the sufficient punishment for inaccurate throws).
Base Camp Outfitters contains characteristics reminiscent of older, more 'traditional' courses - a time before disc technology started constantly spewing out faster and faster high speed drivers prompting course designers to create longer and longer courses which can tend to neglect accuracy, finesse & the less experienced players in favor of power, distance & big arms.
We were on vacation, drove a little over an hour to experience this thoughtfully re-designed course & found it to be the most 'fun' of the four in Vermont I've played so far. If nearby, do yourself a favor and give it a try.
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 3 Not
One of the best
Pros: Nice tunnel shots
Great diversity of drives
Nicely planned fairways that require skill but aren't so tight as to require luck
Cons: Wear bad shoes because you will get muddy.
Other Thoughts: Concrete or pads for tee boxes would make this a 5 for sure.
0 of 3 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: They just made a great course even better. They added over 700 feet to the course along with the addition of 5 new holes. It is beautiful even this early in the season. New larger tee boxes. But the best is in the design, on almost every hole you have choices to throw back hand or flicks. The layout is very well though out and the natural features they bring into play are beautiful. And they have a great selection of disc in the pro shop. Highly recommend hitting BCODG.
Cons: Needs to stop raining. There are places you do not want to throw your disc, very wet bogs. But stay in play and all is good.
Other Thoughts: They do other little things that make this course enjoyable for visitors. There is a practice range at the first hole, three sets of tees for all levels. Well marked so you can find the next tee box. And as I mentioned the pro shop sell three or four different manufactors of discs.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 7 Not
Soon To Be A Classic . . .
Pros: Beautiful, challenging, well-designed course. Requires a full bag of finesse shots. Bring your "A" game. Nicely manicured, friendly staff, full pro shop w/ rental discs.
Cons: Could use some benches on the course . . .
0 of 7 people found this review helpful.
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