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Hole #13 (Taken 6/2010)
Hole #13 (Taken 6/2010) 
3 / 225ft. 3 / 468ft.
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Hole #13 Tee
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Reviews: 29
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Pro Quality Course, can be tough to navigate
Pros: Huge concrete Tee Pads. Big Yellow Baskets. Signs at all tees. Map at front of course. Foliage is trimmed back to precisely define fairways. Benches throughout. Lots of variety of hole distances and each hole demands a lot of technique and you will not only use every disc in your bag, but you will wish you had more. Lots of elevation, a big ravine is in play on many holes. Lots of OB (creek, ravine, paths, etc.) adds to the challenge as well, requiring tight, controlled shots. Many unique holes here too, including some unconventional lines, a drive straight up the slope of the ravine, and several elevated basket positions. Practice basket is also a plus.
Cons: Very unconventional layout. I got lost more than once with a map. Finding a guide would be best. I don't mind an unconventional flow if there are adequate next tee signs, this course could use more. Many baskets are not visible from the tee, and some are easy to mistake. I think there was a different tee for the first basket, because I could see that the pin position for the first labeled tee was empty. Maybe the course has a couple different layouts? Pretty confusing for a first timer.
Other Thoughts: This course is really great. I found it to be an interesting combination between difficult and fun. There are few holes here that I can't wait to throw again though. Also, I think there is space for more holes which would allow the course to flow better and less navigation issues. Definitely download the map, but a guide would be best for your first time here. Bring your best game and every disc you own. You'll want every last advantage you can give yourself.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
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Variety and Challenge
Pros: Huge variety of shots, Great scenery, Challenging, Well taken care of, concrete tee pads.
Cons: somewhat marshy in the springtime, confusing layout the first few times its played (finding the next hole takes a little exploring if you haven't been here a few times),
Other Thoughts: its a great course especially for more serious players, the Par is fair and there are woods holes, open holes (some are both), up-shots, down-shots everything you have seen before and more. i like the long distance holes and am not fond of the wooded ones but this course has a perfect ratio of both to keep an experienced player challenged and on their toes
2 of 3 people found this review helpful.
Good not Great
Pros: This course has a wide variety of shots. Its not just a bomber course and its not all tight. There is a wide range of approaches and tee placements. Great distance holes mixed in with short technical wooded holes. The water holes are really fun, shouldnt worry about extra discs unless the creek is raging in late spring.
Cons: The course is confusing to follow unless you play with a local or have an overhead map with you.
1 of 8 people found this review helpful.
Great variety
Pros: The course plays through a beautifully kept park with a great mix of grassy fields and woods. Some of the holes have some nice open distance with enough trees and brush around to make you hit interesting lines. the rest play in woods dense enough to make you hit tight gaps. There is enough dense rough in the woods that you'll pay when you miss your line. There is great distance variety from a few long multi-shot holes to some ace runs if you're accurate.
This course has a nice mix of hole shapes, you'll need lots of different shots to be successful here. I really enjoyed all the cool lines through the woods, especially the shots that brought the ravine into play adding some fun elevation. the course plays balanced with left and right turning shots throughout.
The tees are nice long concrete pads that are level and flush with the ground. The tee signs are informative enough with hole layout and distance. The park is nicely groomed with mowed grass and trimmed brush. The baskets are in nice shape and seemed pretty new.
This course has a nice mix of hole shapes, you'll need lots of different shots to be successful here. I really enjoyed all the cool lines through the woods, especially the shots that brought the ravine into play adding some fun elevation. the course plays balanced with left and right turning shots throughout.
The tees are nice long concrete pads that are level and flush with the ground. The tee signs are informative enough with hole layout and distance. The park is nicely groomed with mowed grass and trimmed brush. The baskets are in nice shape and seemed pretty new.
Cons: Navigation is a little tricky in a few spots, some next tee signs would help a lot. The map on this site is good, I recommend printing it or pulling it up on your smartphone your first time here. A few of the longer holes seemed like twiner distances where the pin wasn't reachable off the tee, but the hole wasn't long enough to leave a very challenging upshot.
Other Thoughts: This course is definitely worth a stop when you're in the area, with a ton of variety and some really fun shots. Beginners might find this one pretty challenging with some longer holes and some thick rough. More experienced players will find some nice challenges here to test different parts of their game.
9 of 9 people found this review helpful.
Your local course isn't this pretty
Pros: The course is set on some VFW land that apparently already had developed nature trails, bridges, native grass areas, birdhouses, and a variety of trees and bushes. The course weaves seamlessly from groomed, open areas into the woods and back out again. The open areas tend to be a bit longer and are not necessarily grip-and-rip bombers; you need some placement to avoid the bushy areas and the tree line, and there are frequent sharp doglegs. The wooded holes vary in length but all require accuracy to hit the right line. A couple are ace runs in the 200-250 foot range, but all of them could turn into bogeys if you ricochet off a tree. And then there are some semi-wooded holes that play through a valley with a shallow stream. These are really pretty holes.
All the baskets are bright yellow and visible. The tee signs are pretty good, clearly showing distances and basket locations, although the lines it depicts can be misleading (e.g. making it appear that a sweeping hyzer path is possible when it is really a dogleg hole).
The course design is overall very good, with just about every type of hole you could want to see with a good distribution of left-to-right and vice versa.
All the baskets are bright yellow and visible. The tee signs are pretty good, clearly showing distances and basket locations, although the lines it depicts can be misleading (e.g. making it appear that a sweeping hyzer path is possible when it is really a dogleg hole).
The course design is overall very good, with just about every type of hole you could want to see with a good distribution of left-to-right and vice versa.
Cons: On several holes you need to walk the entire fairway to see where the basket is. Other times there are a couple baskets visible. For instance, the 4th tee aims right at the basket for #7, but the #4 fairway actually follows an S curve into the woods that is easy to miss. Bring a map. There are several "Next tee" signs around, but more are needed.
Although it hadn't rained in a couple days, the course was very soggy. Some areas seem to be legitimate marshes (it's clear you're not supposed to throw there), but even the fairways were quite moist.
There are other users of this land, so you'll need to watch out for dog walkers, etc. A dog walker with her kids stood in the middle of the fairway on one hole and never even saw me (I patiently waited for them to ramble on).
The only other con is one they can't help: there isn't a ton of elevation here. That said, what little elevation that exists is used quite well.
Although it hadn't rained in a couple days, the course was very soggy. Some areas seem to be legitimate marshes (it's clear you're not supposed to throw there), but even the fairways were quite moist.
There are other users of this land, so you'll need to watch out for dog walkers, etc. A dog walker with her kids stood in the middle of the fairway on one hole and never even saw me (I patiently waited for them to ramble on).
The only other con is one they can't help: there isn't a ton of elevation here. That said, what little elevation that exists is used quite well.
Other Thoughts: This course is really well cared for. It would have been a nice place to be even if I didn't have discs with me. As a course, it is the best in the area, and I bet it was a great course this past summer for the amateur Worlds. I'm sad I only got to play one round here, but I'll be back.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
A little bit of everything
5+ 
8/12/2011 
9/1/2011
Review By: lcra0825 
Played: 62 Reviewed: 23 Exp: 6.8 Years
This review was updated on 6/25/2012
Pros: - cement tee pads
- New signs with distances and pars!
- a good mix of wooden and open holes
- great scenery
- most hole require contol of throws.
- good variety of hole designs
- use of elevation on several holes
- well mantained
- the flow of the course is good but sometimes the tees are hard to find. Hole 1 starts at the parking lot and hole 18 ends near the parking lot
- New signs with distances and pars!
- a good mix of wooden and open holes
- great scenery
- most hole require contol of throws.
- good variety of hole designs
- use of elevation on several holes
- well mantained
- the flow of the course is good but sometimes the tees are hard to find. Hole 1 starts at the parking lot and hole 18 ends near the parking lot
Cons: - can be hard to find the tees. be sure to bring a map
- alternate tees are either not available or if they are, they are not clear.
- On hole 1 there is a big patch of brush to the right that seems to suck up many discs. When leaving hole 18, dont be tempted to shoot a practice shot back towards the parking lot because a little bit of anhyzer and end up in the brush.
- alternate tees are either not available or if they are, they are not clear.
- On hole 1 there is a big patch of brush to the right that seems to suck up many discs. When leaving hole 18, dont be tempted to shoot a practice shot back towards the parking lot because a little bit of anhyzer and end up in the brush.
Other Thoughts: Like I said there is a little bit of everything on this course. Some holes are open and some are not. Some holes start in the open and go into the woods. Some holes start in the woods and lead into the open. Some holes are up hill and some are down hill. One hole start up hill and you have to shoot over a valley to the basket which is on a hill on the other side. There is water but there is not much danger of losing a disc. Probably my favorite hole is #9 where you tee off from a hill and have to shhot between two trees to the basket which is across a small streem and guarded by a wall. The only thing I can think of to make this course as good as courses like Maple Hill would to be add alternate baskets and better defined alternate tees.
After playing some courses in Michigan I realized there has to be a greater distinction between Parma and a Flip City or Leviathan kind of course so I am changing my rating of parma to a 4 as opposed to 4.5
After playing some courses in Michigan I realized there has to be a greater distinction between Parma and a Flip City or Leviathan kind of course so I am changing my rating of parma to a 4 as opposed to 4.5
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
IDragon
Pros: Great wooded course, beautiful holes, and well maintained. Long tee pads. Lot of different looks, open and tight. Really great course design.
Cons: Some wooded holes have a very narrow flight path, it is a great challange. There are some joggers running through the park, so you have to be careful.
Other Thoughts: Most enjoyable course I played in the Rochester area!
2 of 7 people found this review helpful.
playing in the snow 5+ 12/21/2010 12/22/2010
Review By: ...NICK...DAY... Played: 11 Reviewed: 1 Exp: 4.6 Years
This review was updated on 1/19/2011
Pros: fun course, great mix of wide open fairways & tight woods shots. lots of elevation changes. one of the best courses rochester has to offer!
fairways are well kept & wide open for
fairways are well kept & wide open for
Cons: tight wooded shots take up half the course--need a spotter in the winter, easy to lose sight of your throw. 1 port-o-john @ 1st tee (near parking lot)
Other Thoughts: truely the best "17 hole" course in rochester. its a long drive from the east side of town, but totally worth it! hole 9-over shallow creek; a hole-in-1 shoot out every time, hole 10-great hole for leftys, hole 12-shoots across a huge field ending up in the woods---awesome!
if visiting from out of town, or living here, this course is definately worth the trip, every season is fun to play in parma!
if visiting from out of town, or living here, this course is definately worth the trip, every season is fun to play in parma!
3 of 4 people found this review helpful.
Excellent 18
Pros: Wonderful course layout with a mix of just about anything a golfer could ask for. plenty of tightly wooded fairways, open long driving space, elevation change, distance variation. lots of tricky shots and plenty of trouble to get into. an all around great place to play.
Cons: No sinage/course direction to speak of. without a map I wouldn't have found half of the tees/baskets. but once you have made it through one round, future navigation wouldn't be an issue. 1st timers, bring a map for sure.
Other Thoughts: with some nice signs and direction this would be one of the very best courses I have played so far.
1 of 1 people found this review helpful.
Great update
Pros: Layout - Hole Design:
Very good layout and variety of holes. Short and technical and long and open are mixed. Most of the holes are fair. 9 and 10 throw from elevated tees to a basket and are beautiful. I loved hole 6 as well. Throwing a long a mowed creek to a basket 340' away. This course has forced uphill overhand shots as well. The open holes were mowed short and nice and a lot of the prickers that surrounded trees in the fairways have been removed. There is a raised basket and a few baskets on the sides of hills. This adds to the variety and required up and down hill shot making abilites. There is even a hole 1A for tournaments over a little pond (old hole 2).
Pads:
GREAT! They were 14-16' long I believe in some cases on long throw holes. Some people get confused because they try to use the entire run up. Dug into the ground to aid the step off.
Extras: Porta john, ample parking, benches.
Very good layout and variety of holes. Short and technical and long and open are mixed. Most of the holes are fair. 9 and 10 throw from elevated tees to a basket and are beautiful. I loved hole 6 as well. Throwing a long a mowed creek to a basket 340' away. This course has forced uphill overhand shots as well. The open holes were mowed short and nice and a lot of the prickers that surrounded trees in the fairways have been removed. There is a raised basket and a few baskets on the sides of hills. This adds to the variety and required up and down hill shot making abilites. There is even a hole 1A for tournaments over a little pond (old hole 2).
Pads:
GREAT! They were 14-16' long I believe in some cases on long throw holes. Some people get confused because they try to use the entire run up. Dug into the ground to aid the step off.
Extras: Porta john, ample parking, benches.
Cons: Trash cans! =1 I think. The portajohn isn't the greatest. No tee signs or next tee signs so you can get lost or skip holes like I did in a practice round. (I hear they are ready for install). A few "fair"ways need a little more fairing. Especially for worlds. I dont think you should have an part of a hole that is just "huck and luck" where you throw "at" the green on an upshot and "hope" to miss a tree. Less than 10 total small trees taken out on , 4 green, 5 (old dead pines on left), 6, especially 11 would make the course almost perfectly fair all the way through.
Other Thoughts: I really enjoyed the new update to a course that I previously rated a 2.5. With signage and some retaining walls on the hill edge holes and removal of some trees I would probably rate this course up again to 4.5. Definitely a must see on any visit to Rochester. This is an advanced level course for sure. I like that there are a lot of pine trees that wont lose leaves in the winter...keeping the course difficult. I think its a shame that some of the new holes cut across the old holes fairways. Like #12. There is room for another 6 holes! out there in an already mowed field. I think you could have had 2-3 900'+ fairways for tournaments that you could spit in half to have extra holes in day to day play or vice versa. Otherwise a great job on the course.
3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
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