Technical, but craving more
Pros: When I review a course, I don't review the top course any different than the rec courses. I hold each to the same standards in terms to design, use of space, difficulty, shot creativity, maintenance and overall flow of the course.
To begin, this is a very short course, if you are playing from the leagues tees, then maybe on 12 will you need an unstable driver to get up the steep 330ft+ hill, but other than that the 2 longest holes are 310ft and 257ft. So leave those drivers at home and get ready to test just how good your placement shots are!
This is both part of a pro and a con, but to start the 2015 season there was a drastic change to the course. Much of the woods that gave the course a wonderful out in nature feel were reduced. This did however open up plenty of new lines and different shots for many holes, including #2 #8 #9 #10 and #12. There still is a lot of wildlife though! I still see plenty of deer roaming the course, so be careful or one might walk out in front of your shot!
The course itself now plays with many different lines in mind. As a lefty I have plenty of opportunities to use LHBH, rollers, thumbers and anhyzer shaping shots. Watching the right handed players, there are still a few hyzer to the basket holes, but even right handed players are force to use an array of shots to shoot very low scores.
A factor that is not often talked about, but adds to the difficulty of the course is the putting. There are many baskets that are on steep hills or at the top of a hill where if you miss, you are floating or rolling 20-40ft away. Way to often have I had shots that hit within feet of the basket, hit a root or rock and roll either into an OB pond or back to my feet! It is very frustrating, but again adds a layer of difficulty to a short but technical course.
I also enjoy that 7 of the tees for the first 8 holes are either a concrete tee or on a tar walking path. But then it moves to dirt or gravel, which then becomes a con, especially after it rains.
The course itself flows pretty well. Holes 1-3 are very straight forward, then you have to walk across a recently added stone path (very much needed and well done) to hole 4, which leads nicely into holes 5-7. Hole 7 is the first of the alternate tees between rec or league. The rec tee is about 130ft away, just a giant thicket in the way and over hanging branches that protect against high hyzers or thumbers/tomahawks. While the league tee is further back on the path which adds 50-60ft and makes it a nice shaping RHBH shot or a LHFH/Thumber shot. The woods flow is fine, however it can be tricky finding #10. There are a few paths that leave #9's basket, one leading to the old hole 10 tee on the top of a hill and the new one which is left of 9's basket and down the side of the hill. The cleared trees makes it easier to find.
Overall for the course itself plays well for what it was trying to do and makes great use of the space. Holes are short, but very technical in spots and can punish you if you don't learn how to control the angel of your disc heading into some of the greens. However, even though I enjoy throwing on the course, there are several reasons why I do not rate this a 3.5 for a great beginner/practice course.
Cons: The dirt tee pads in the woods. There are only for holes 9-12, but after rain it is very sloppy and you usually have to tee off several feet from the normal tee pad, unless you want to be standing in water. I also mentioned that 7 of the first 8 pads are concrete or a tar path, it really is 8 of 8, but hole 3 the pad is actually lower than the ground, so it almost always plays as a dirt pad covered in dirt/chips/standing water.
In addition the baskets are showing their age. Some have makeshift chains while some baskets are actually leaning due to kids jumping on them (I have seen this happen many times).
The number of "kids" is also a con. It is nothing that the course itself can do about it or intended, thus I do not count it against the course itself, however it does effect the experience pretty drastically at times and can turn many away who have never been there.
I just started playing in 2014 and heard from other locals that it was not an issue until a few years ago, but the parking lot has become the go to place for teens to hang out. Usually they do not disrupt the disc golf course, but the number on some days can over run the parking lot and gives the course a "bad image" to families wanting to try the course. Not to mention with so many young teens playing, the golf etiquette is very lacking. You get groups of 5-8 playing and wont let a small group or solo player through, or people tossing multiple discs while others are waiting at the tee, or just standing in the middle of the fairway chatting.
During the summer time the course can be packed after 5pm as it is normal to have 20-30 people on the course at a time, keeping in mind it is a 12 hole course. And at times you can have 3 or more groups stacking up at the 1st tee quite regularly.
Since it is also a walking nature park, you do get a lot of walkers in the wood holes that can slow the pace of play from time to time. Usually they are with a dog that wants to say hello, so all is forgiven!
Also a con, only 12 holes! I want more! I normally have to play 2 rounds to get my fix.
Lastly, the maintenance of the course is spotty. The area is clean of trash due to league members at the course daily picking it up and tossing into the many trash cans around the course. There have also been several improvements to paths and stairs like the stone path built in summer of 2014 from hole 3 to 4, and steps that were built after hole 5 leading to hole 6. But then there are wood steps that are rotting away and the baskets that are in dire need of a face lift. Not to mention the trees that were taken down are still there, just mashed into piles which will eat a stray disc if you are playing on the extended 12th hole.
Other Thoughts: As you can tell there are many pro's but many cons. Most of the cons however are not course related, just area related being in a heavy residential area. Which includes the high population of players and teens over flowing the lot.
With so many trees being torn down there has been talk about the course being turned into a 18 hole course, which would be a great addition since the area is wonderful!
My only hope is that they make the course pay to play to thin out the numbers.
3 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: +Nice baskets and concrete tees.
+There is some signage and it is adequate for its purpose even if it isn't great.
+Some fun elevation shots. 4 and 5 were a fun up and down combo and then 8 was a cool shot with a fast green and trouble beyond the pin. 12 was a pretty tight uphill hole that played much harder than anything else on the course.
+It looks like there are continuing improvements on this course like landscaping near baskets and on walkways between holes. There was also fresh mulch here and there.
+The walks between holes in the woods were nice.
+Ace runs if you hit your line, bogey possibilities if you don't. I like to play that kind of golf.
Cons: -As the only course in AV, this place could get really busy.
-The chains have some weird red coating on them. Not sure what that was about.
-Not the longest or most challenging course. Definitely aimed at int or rec players so don't come here expecting a championship course.
Other Thoughts: +This course could have some really cool wooded holes and be expanded to 18.
+If 2014 league is the same as 2013, avoid this course on Monday evenings at 6.
+This course is worth a stop. Like most courses, avoid evenings and weekends. It is similar to nearby courses like Brockway and Red Oak.
3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
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Pros: Good use for hyzer shots. Longer holes were typically straight shots. Some good elevation change. Throwing up hill on a few, down hill on a few others. A few ace runs. Half the holes not in the woods, other half are. Steps look nice leading up to the basket on hole 4 I think it was. Hidden in a residential community. The baskets were nice discatchers. Wrapped some trees with that netting to prevent the trees from getting destroyed by the discs.
Cons: The red stuff lining the chains on the basket was a little funky but didnt ruin my experience. People flock to this course, mainly high schoolers so waiting time can be annoying for such a small course.Not all concrete teepads.
Other Thoughts: If I was in the area, I would try to stop by.
0 of 1 people found this review helpful.
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Great Even in Bad Conditions
Pros: Varieties of tee shots including doglegs, uphill and the fantastic fourth hole, where you tee off above a valley of trees.
Cons: I can imagine this course getting very crowded in more outdoor-friendly months, as we played today in very substandard conditions and were still considering letting people play through.
Other Thoughts: Three beginners were very well met by this track today, had a ton of fun.
0 of 1 people found this review helpful.
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Typical City/Park Course
Pros: For a small 12 hole beginner course, it actually offers a decent amount of variety. There is some elevation change, along with a few holes in the woods, which offers a nice change of pace. Overall, the tee pads, baskets, and signs are in decent shape. There are some dirt tee pads on the last few holes in the woods, which is fine, they could definitely be in worse condition. There are plenty of birdie and ace opportunities to be had while playing this course.
Cons: The course is often quite busy, which can be expected with a short, recreational course. As stated above, some concrete tee pads on the holes at the end would also be nice to throw off of, especially on hole 12. Also, a few of the baskets are in rough somewhat rough shape.
Other Thoughts: It's definitely a great course to work on your short game and some of your technical shots in the woods. It's also a good course to warm-up on before playing a larger course or if you're short on time. I would say it's at least worth checking out if you are in the area.
1 of 2 people found this review helpful.
Pros: Close to the twin cities. Some cement tees. Nice big discatcher pro baskets. Nice retaining walls and staircases. A few nice wooded holes. Overall, well kept.
Cons: Very short. If you are a pro, the first time you MAY need a driver is the last hole. In the heart of suburbia, therefore too many people, usually lacking common sense/etiquette.
Other Thoughts: More aesthetically pleasing than technically difficult. Don't get me wrong, this is a nice little course, but anyone who gave it better than a 3.0 needs to find some new places to throw...
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: - Course is set in a city park, split between the typical recreation area and some thicker woods. Possible interference from casual park goers on some of the earlier holes.
- A few holes in the park area are pretty fun; #4 is a longer uphill shot with the basket on a slope by the woods, #5 is a nice elevated shot through or around a grove of trees, with the basket on a turtle shell green. #7 is a 90 degree hyzer with the second half uphill, with a blind pin position. Most holes out here have some trick, like a protected basket on #1, a sharp hyzer on #2, and little RHBH anny line on #3.
- Pins in the woods are a good change of pace. #11 is a fun downhill hyzer with nasty rough on all sides, and #12 is a tough uphill RHBH flex shot that plays much longer than the 347'. The other wooded holes are a good mix of hyzers and anhyzers,
- Elevation changes are used well here, #5 and #11 are good downhill shots, and #12 is a very tough uphill shot. There are a few basket locations on fairly steep inclines which adds some excitement as well.
- Good concrete pads in the open, natural teepads in the woods aren't too shabby considering the amount of play the course gets. Signs are good enough, navigation isn't too bad, but the map helps in a few spots like after #8. Baskets are in OK condition, though #11's is in bad shape. Practice basket by the parking lot.
Cons: - A lot of very short holes here, with four under 185', and another five under 300'. Those in the woods, with the exception of #12, are especially small. A lot of dinkers here.
- Some pretty long walks in between holes, especially from #9 to #10, and #11 to #12.
- A couple holes play right next to the park entrance road, which is never a good thing. Seems like a busy place with constant traffic.
Other Thoughts: - All in all, a pretty fun course that is definitely better suited to beginners. There are some tougher holes, with tricky lines and good elevation changes, but the majority are pretty short or pretty straightforward. Worth checking out for a fast round, though more advanced players won't be too excited.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
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Hercules never sleeps
Pros: Pitch and putt at its finest. Give your big arm a rest and work on your technical approaches and putting game.
Technical variety. Several short technical lines peppered with a few mostly open holes keeps things relatively interesting, elevation changes keep the game from getting repetitive. Then hole 12 will throw a wrench in your game, just when you were getting this pitch and putt thing down a 300 uphill double dogleg will test your skills on the final hole.
Navigation. Is relatively intuitive, most tees can be found near the previous basket. The only place it can get confusing is after hole 9, take the left path to get to holes 10 and 11, then follow the long trail to the right along the lake to hole 12.
Signage. Each tee is marked with a hole number and distance.
Local Scene. Weeklies, tournaments and gatherings throughout the year with a friendly crowd of people is a nice bonus.
Well maintained. It has always been well groomed and taken care of.
Beginner friendly. This would be a great place to be introduced to the game. Good place to work on lines, relatively tough to lose a disc, though some rough spots will eat discs on occasion, watch out for the swamp behind hole 8.
Potential. I'm not sure if any expansion would ever be in the works for this course. But if this course was looking to expand (alternate tees, alternate pins, additional holes) the land appears to be there.
Cons: Short. If your looking for a championship caliber course, or a place to work out your big arm, this isn't the course for you.
Brick walls. The walls surrounding the basket look nice and control erosion, and it may belong in the "pro" section if you are looking for a quick way to beat a disc in, holes 4 and 7 have taken some chunks out of my plastic.
Vandals. Recently(as of this review) several baskets have been vandalized and apparently has been a history of such activity, so all baskets might not be playable. But along with being well maintained, the park district has made immediate attempts to repair, replace, improve what has been done.
Crowded. Being easy access and good for beginners, this course will see families, mobs of chuckers, that one guy throwing 20 discs on each hole etc. Come early in the morning, or bring plenty of patience. Don't expect a quick round on a weekday after noon.
Tees. Concrete tees on many of the holes, natural tees work fine for the shorter holes, hole 12 is the most frustrating though, the uneven uphill gravel pit makes for a poor teepad on a tough hole.
Other Thoughts: If you're in the Southern Twin Cities Metro, stop by for a round. If you can catch it during a quiet time, it will be a quick enjoyable pitch and putt round.
11 of 11 people found this review helpful.
7 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Nice mix of open and wooded holes
-Simple, basic signage but gives you all the required info (and are pretty vandalism-proof)
-Concrete tee pads are decent for the first 7 holes
-Makes good use of the woods
-Course isn't overly easy even though it's relatively short
-Plenty of elevation change throughout
Cons: -Dirt tee pads for the last 5 holes are eroded and can get slick (I slipped on #12 and threw it sideways directly into the woods)
-Course is pretty short as essentially everything is reachable
-You have to share the trails in the woods with people that are walking (oftentimes with dogs who like frisbees and don't give a hoot how long they are taking to get out of your way)
Other Thoughts: This is a pretty nice course for a fairly short municipal course that was put in to a park that was already there. Despite the fact that the course is an after-thought in the park it doesn't really have that feel.
There is a lot of elevation change throughout the course, which adds a fair amount of difficulty to a course that would be really easy without it. The holes throughout the woods are pretty short for the most part, which is a shame because a long hole weaving through the woods could really give this course the signature hole that it lacks. The closest thing to it is #12, which is a deceivingly difficult uphill battle of a hole. There is barely a lane to throw through, and there's very little chance that you're going to end up within striking distance off of your drive.
This course is a lot of fun, it's not too serious of a course so don't take it as such... but it is one of the better courses in a municipal park that I've seen yet. It provides some challenge, which the same cannot be said for a lot of these types of courses. My one complaint is that I'd like to see concrete tee pads in the woods as well. I guess this course can get pretty busy at times, but I didn't run into that problem. It's a nice course to have a quick round on. If you play these types of courses (ones that are located in city parks) give this one a try; it is one of the better ones you'll find.
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 6 Not
Pros: great course to learn on, has all the shots hyzers annies and some pretty long holes but overall pretty fun easy course great front 7 out in the grass for beginners
Cons: occasionally you might have a dog run through and swipe your disc, also got pretty heavy populated during the summer but the biggest issue is the natural tees on holes 9-12 eroded and not easy to throw from
Other Thoughts: super fun course just watch out for hole 12 she will bite you in the a**
1 of 7 people found this review helpful.
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