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Hole #18 (Taken 7/2010)
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Reviews: 13
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Hope you like walking
Pros: There are very nice DGA baskets with large numbers on the tops making them easy to pick out. If you have a big arm and are fairly accurate this is the course for you. Not a lot of obstructions and certainly not a lot of heavy underbrush on any of the holes except for the most errant of shots. Even noobish players that can consistently drive 250' will find themselves within putting distance on many of the holes after their second shot. All of the holes are on mowed grass. What the course lacks in challenge, hills, water hazards it certainly makes up for in length. I don't recall seeing any course design no-no's as in fairways crossing each other or crossing busy walkways or roadways. If I wanted to be really picky, the basket for 7 seemed like it was a little close to the line between the 8 tee and basket. I also like the hole markers at each of the tee boxes. They are distinctive and are easy to spot when the map isn't working out.
Cons: The layout is rather bad and very very spread out. No indication of where the next hole is at any of the baskets. I printed off the course map provided by the University and it is completely and utterly useless. They've obviously done some rather major changes to the course since the creation of the course map. As I recall, hole one is now behind the Performing Arts Center. Also, the tees are less than optimal but are better than just plain grass. They've placed some sort of plastic grid down to prevent erosion and rutting. The front edge of the tee box is lined with some landscaping bricks. While not ideal and not as bad as rutted out grass (like Lake Township Park just down the road) it still isn't quite as nice as concrete pads. The walk between 13 and 14 is just absurd. If I am reading the map right, 13 is where 18 used to be on the map and 14 and 15 are waaaaaay over by the building labeled "BOIL" on the map. That needs to be fixed. There are also no typiclal items that DG'ers love to have on a course; trash cans and benches. Since smoking and drink are strictly forbidden it certainly isn't necessary to have a can on every hole but it may not be a bad idea to spread out a few throughout.
Other Thoughts: I am giving this course a 2.5 and I feel that is rather generous. The best rating I can give this 3.0 in it's current layout if all the items in the cons are addressed. Heck, if they had an accurate map I could be talked into a 3.0. I've been quite critical in this review and on the other hand I would like to mention that I do really appreciate Andrews University making a course that is open to the public just down the road from where I live. In spite of all the walking it was fun and a great place to work on my rather whimpy drives.
I've worked with SDA folks before and regardless of your religious views they are very nice people even though they are strict. Please respect their rules because they did not have to make this course open to everyone. I also want to applaud whoever got this course installed in the first place. Campus politics can be difficult if not impossible to work with. Job well done.
By the way, this map is NOT CORRECT:
https://www.andrews.edu/shp/f...-golf-map.pdf
I've worked with SDA folks before and regardless of your religious views they are very nice people even though they are strict. Please respect their rules because they did not have to make this course open to everyone. I also want to applaud whoever got this course installed in the first place. Campus politics can be difficult if not impossible to work with. Job well done.
By the way, this map is NOT CORRECT:
https://www.andrews.edu/shp/f...-golf-map.pdf
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6/16/2011 
6/16/2011
Review By: Jukeshoe 
Played: 159 Reviewed: 136 Exp: 3.7 Years
This review was updated on 4/15/2013
Pros: - This course snakes through the college's flat, but attractive campus. Mature trees come into play quite nicely, providing the lion's share of difficulty throughout the 18 holes. Hard doglegs, protected pins, a few blind looks off the tee, a mandatory, and low canopy shots throughout prove to be the main thrills and spills at St. Andrew's. No schule except for in one or two spots on the edges of fairways adjacent to private properties.
- Good mixture of distances. Several longer holes and a few holes where not having a big arm for a hyzer spike up and over small trees will hurt you.
- Decent mixture of shots: left, right, up and over, et al.
- Sufficient signage. The tee signs are nothing more than the hole number and distance, but the yellow tape on each basket points out the next tee location. Pay attention to this or chances are you'll miss at least two or three holes.
- Very little chance to lose a disc. This is a good course for families: enough challenge to keep experienced discers occupied while not terribly difficult or frustrating for younger or novice players. The grassy fairways and shaded walks make this course enjoyable for all.
- Good mixture of distances. Several longer holes and a few holes where not having a big arm for a hyzer spike up and over small trees will hurt you.
- Decent mixture of shots: left, right, up and over, et al.
- Sufficient signage. The tee signs are nothing more than the hole number and distance, but the yellow tape on each basket points out the next tee location. Pay attention to this or chances are you'll miss at least two or three holes.
- Very little chance to lose a disc. This is a good course for families: enough challenge to keep experienced discers occupied while not terribly difficult or frustrating for younger or novice players. The grassy fairways and shaded walks make this course enjoyable for all.
Cons: - The flow is fairly difficult to follow, even with the yellow tape on the baskets pointing out the direction. Trouble first arises after #6 in trying to find #7's tee. Cross the street and just keep walking in the direction indicated by the yellow tape. In one case (#9 to #10), the basket's direction was slightly off, and the walk long enough for one to end up pretty far away from the proper tee. At another juncture (#13 to #14), the walk is an improbable jaunt around a large campus building, across a busy intersection, down a sidewalk (keep your eyes peeled for a sign that says "The Grove"), to the tee located by a pavilionunder
some trees. Several of the walks between holes are on the "long" side of the spectrum.
- Not a whole lot of risk/reward. Trees do provide obstacles, but often not enough to prevent recovery for fairly easy pars. The entirely flat course doesn't get any elevation involved except for errant shots to the left of #14's basket, where a steep ravine leads down to a small stream.
- Many of the holes work through busy sections of the campus, with students often crossing fairways without much thought.
- The tee pads are slitted rubber mats inset, occasionally badly, into the ground. On several holes the tees are buckled, and often the grass beside the tee provides better footing. A couple of tees (#9 and #15) are natural, and look as though the mat has been ripped up; however, all tees are clearly marked with a wooden post and a brick foot fault line.
some trees. Several of the walks between holes are on the "long" side of the spectrum.
- Not a whole lot of risk/reward. Trees do provide obstacles, but often not enough to prevent recovery for fairly easy pars. The entirely flat course doesn't get any elevation involved except for errant shots to the left of #14's basket, where a steep ravine leads down to a small stream.
- Many of the holes work through busy sections of the campus, with students often crossing fairways without much thought.
- The tee pads are slitted rubber mats inset, occasionally badly, into the ground. On several holes the tees are buckled, and often the grass beside the tee provides better footing. A couple of tees (#9 and #15) are natural, and look as though the mat has been ripped up; however, all tees are clearly marked with a wooden post and a brick foot fault line.
Other Thoughts: - Certainly not a destination course, but a solid option if you're in the area. I'd imagine the course is infinitely more playable and enjoyable when school is out...I'd personally avoid this course while the student population is out and about en masse.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
Long, flat and open
Pros: The course plays through grassy fields around a college campus with nice mature trees. The layout does a nice job avoiding other campus activities and walking paths, so it would be pretty playable even with school in session. There is a decent mix of hole lengths, with some ace runs and some long bombs. A few holes have enough trees to make you shape some different lines.
There are basic tee signs and tape on the baskets showing direction to the next tee. The course is nicely maintained, with well mowed grass and no trash or vandalism. With how open the land is, I thought the design was pretty creative in how the trees and bushes available were brought into play. I love seeing courses on college campuses, it's a great exposure for the sport.
There are basic tee signs and tape on the baskets showing direction to the next tee. The course is nicely maintained, with well mowed grass and no trash or vandalism. With how open the land is, I thought the design was pretty creative in how the trees and bushes available were brought into play. I love seeing courses on college campuses, it's a great exposure for the sport.
Cons: One place I disagree with the course designers is the length. As an overall course, I have no issue with the hole lengths, so this con doesn't affect my rating, but the course is really long for new players. We saw people skipping several long holes, or getting frustrated on the bomber holes, not a great way to introduce beginners.
The design is creative, but with such a flat and generally open area to work with it's hard to design a course that won't feel at least a little repetitive. There are some really long walks that aren't immediately obvious, the tape on the baskets helps in most cases, but a couple take some wandering to figure out. The tees are very slippery rubber, I almost fell on a dry day so I would imagine that it would be pretty treacherous when wet. It's obvious people tee off in the grass next to a lot of the pads so there's some erosion going on.
The design is creative, but with such a flat and generally open area to work with it's hard to design a course that won't feel at least a little repetitive. There are some really long walks that aren't immediately obvious, the tape on the baskets helps in most cases, but a couple take some wandering to figure out. The tees are very slippery rubber, I almost fell on a dry day so I would imagine that it would be pretty treacherous when wet. It's obvious people tee off in the grass next to a lot of the pads so there's some erosion going on.
Other Thoughts: Overall, this is a decent course that's not a bad place to stop. Parking on a weekday might be an issue, but it was no problem on a weekend. I would like to see short tees for newer players to make it a little better place to introduce the sport to beginners. More experienced players will get to stretch out their arm, but won't find enough variety to really challenge different parts of their game.
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