Berrien Springs, MI 
Andrews University Share
Uploaded By: MGroothuis Hole #7 (Taken 7/2010)
3 / 378ft. Par / Distance:
Hole #7 Tee



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1    6/16/2011   6/16/2011
Review By: Jukeshoe
Played: 193  Reviewed: 153  Exp: 5.2 Years
This review was updated on 4/15/2013
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: - This course snakes through the college's flat, but attractive campus. Mature trees come into play quite nicely, providing the lion's share of difficulty throughout the 18 holes. Hard doglegs, protected pins, a few blind looks off the tee, a mandatory, and low canopy shots throughout prove to be the main thrills and spills at St. Andrew's. No schule except for in one or two spots on the edges of fairways adjacent to private properties.
- Good mixture of distances. Several longer holes and a few holes where not having a big arm for a hyzer spike up and over small trees will hurt you.
- Decent mixture of shots: left, right, up and over, et al.
- Sufficient signage. The tee signs are nothing more than the hole number and distance, but the yellow tape on each basket points out the next tee location. Pay attention to this or chances are you'll miss at least two or three holes.
- Very little chance to lose a disc. This is a good course for families: enough challenge to keep experienced discers occupied while not terribly difficult or frustrating for younger or novice players. The grassy fairways and shaded walks make this course enjoyable for all.
Cons: - The flow is fairly difficult to follow, even with the yellow tape on the baskets pointing out the direction. Trouble first arises after #6 in trying to find #7's tee. Cross the street and just keep walking in the direction indicated by the yellow tape. In one case (#9 to #10), the basket's direction was slightly off, and the walk long enough for one to end up pretty far away from the proper tee. At another juncture (#13 to #14), the walk is an improbable jaunt around a large campus building, across a busy intersection, down a sidewalk (keep your eyes peeled for a sign that says "The Grove"), to the tee located by a pavilionunder
some trees. Several of the walks between holes are on the "long" side of the spectrum.
- Not a whole lot of risk/reward. Trees do provide obstacles, but often not enough to prevent recovery for fairly easy pars. The entirely flat course doesn't get any elevation involved except for errant shots to the left of #14's basket, where a steep ravine leads down to a small stream.
- Many of the holes work through busy sections of the campus, with students often crossing fairways without much thought.
- The tee pads are slitted rubber mats inset, occasionally badly, into the ground. On several holes the tees are buckled, and often the grass beside the tee provides better footing. A couple of tees (#9 and #15) are natural, and look as though the mat has been ripped up; however, all tees are clearly marked with a wooden post and a brick foot fault line.
Other Thoughts: - Certainly not a destination course, but a solid option if you're in the area. I'd imagine the course is infinitely more playable and enjoyable when school is out...I'd personally avoid this course while the student population is out and about en masse.

4 of 4 people found this review helpful.

 Long, flat and open

1    3/26/2011   4/7/2011
Review By: mashnut
Played: 816  Reviewed: 773  Exp: 12.7 Years
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: The course plays through grassy fields around a college campus with nice mature trees. The layout does a nice job avoiding other campus activities and walking paths, so it would be pretty playable even with school in session. There is a decent mix of hole lengths, with some ace runs and some long bombs. A few holes have enough trees to make you shape some different lines.

There are basic tee signs and tape on the baskets showing direction to the next tee. The course is nicely maintained, with well mowed grass and no trash or vandalism. With how open the land is, I thought the design was pretty creative in how the trees and bushes available were brought into play. I love seeing courses on college campuses, it's a great exposure for the sport.
Cons: One place I disagree with the course designers is the length. As an overall course, I have no issue with the hole lengths, so this con doesn't affect my rating, but the course is really long for new players. We saw people skipping several long holes, or getting frustrated on the bomber holes, not a great way to introduce beginners.

The design is creative, but with such a flat and generally open area to work with it's hard to design a course that won't feel at least a little repetitive. There are some really long walks that aren't immediately obvious, the tape on the baskets helps in most cases, but a couple take some wandering to figure out. The tees are very slippery rubber, I almost fell on a dry day so I would imagine that it would be pretty treacherous when wet. It's obvious people tee off in the grass next to a lot of the pads so there's some erosion going on.
Other Thoughts: Overall, this is a decent course that's not a bad place to stop. Parking on a weekday might be an issue, but it was no problem on a weekend. I would like to see short tees for newer players to make it a little better place to introduce the sport to beginners. More experienced players will get to stretch out their arm, but won't find enough variety to really challenge different parts of their game.

4 of 4 people found this review helpful.

 Decent for a university course

2-4    4/3/2011   4/4/2011
Review By: Noill Golf
Played: 113  Reviewed: 7  Exp: 5.3 Years
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: This is a fair course with lots of bomber runs. Each tee had a post in the ground and a small sign indicating hole no. and hole length. The baskets have yellow tape on the upper and lower rings of the lower entrapment device (basket) indicating the direction to the next tee... this proved very helpful as some of the holes are very far from each other. All of the holes are on fields that are mostly open but there are enough trees to provide obstacles. Without the trees it would just be a bunch of flat runs.
A few holes were shorter but use obstacles very well. For a flatland course, I was impressed that they found ways to make it more interesting.
The students and locals walking around all seemed excessively kind... I was having trouble finding hole no. 1 and I asked for help (I didn't get good answers but they all seemed to really want to help me).
Cons: The course seems to have changed a lot from the pictures I saw posted here. I spoke with some locals that were having a hard time spotting the course themselves. Luckily, I had my monocular with me and was able to use it to scan around to find the next tee. At the time I played this the course had some long gaps between pin to next tee (the worst offenders: Pin 6 to tee 7; Pin 9 to tee 10; Pin 12 to tee 13; Pin 13 to tee 14 <--crazy long). The course makes you cross over the street five or six times... this can be OK but on busy days at the university it could prove to be a bit troublesome.
Other Thoughts: The best place to park is at Parking Lot 4 toward the back left (a visitors lot as well so no university parking sticker required). This will leave you very close to the first hole. Teepads were mostly rubber mesh with a submerged brick front (about three bricks long and about 3 - 4 feet across the front of the teepad). These rubber mesh pads were OK on some tees but were getting buried on others. Some teepads were natural (only a few). Holes 14 and 15 play in the most wooded part of the course though it is still pretty open... running along these holes is a wooded valley that I would love to see at least 3 additional holes put in... that space looks very promising but alas there is only a hiking trail and no baskets in that valley... big sigh on that.
OK. for those that are going to this course:
Hole 11 is going to make you want to shoot over an OB area as it is directly between the tee and the pin... go for it! It's very do-able. If you don't make it... sorry :D
When you finish hole 6, check the yellow strips on the basket for the direction of teepad 7. Walk in that direction and cross over the road. Keep going toward a big tree in the distance. You will see the post indicating teepad 7.
When you finish hole 12, check the yellow strips on the basket for the direction of teepad 13. Walk in that direction, you will walk along the parking lot and will even pass up teepad 18 on your way. Teepad 13 is just across the street from teepad 18... you will see the post for teepad 13 and the basket for hole 16 to the right and about 30 feet away.
When you finish hole 13, check the yellow strips on the basket for the direction of teepad 14. Walk in that direction toward the main road. Make a left on that road (you will need to cross over the road as well). You will see the Custodial Services building (also a sign that says "The Grove"). You will also see a pavilion next to the Custodial building. Teepad 14 is right next to the parking lot there (You can see the post indicating the hole). This is the longest walk from a pin to next tee that I have ever experienced and add to this that it is impossible to spot teepad 14 from pin 13...this is a fun little area that they moved holes 14 and 15 to...seems worth it but what a walk from 13!

4 of 4 people found this review helpful.

 Worth playing

5+    3/28/2011   3/29/2011
Review By: ryankilgore
Played: 23  Reviewed: 3  Exp: 7.5 Years
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: * Makes good use of the available land and trees/bushes. Holes have variety and "fun" factor.
* Includes some longer holes (four par 4's).
* Not crowded.
* Grounds very well kept.
Cons: * Teepads. :(
* Almost entirely flat.
* No heavily wooded holes (though some moderately wooded). With little OB, this results in most holes having little risk of punishment for a poor throw.
* No trashcans or restrooms.
* A couple longish walks between holes (though not unreasonable).
* Not a huge variety of shot shapes required. Few holes require a RHBH player to throw an anny.
Other Thoughts: The numbering problem due to a hole being moved shortly after the course was installed has now been corrected. All signs are accurate as of this review. Additionally, each basket now has a small bit of tape on the cage that points out the direction of the next tee. Without a map or guide, some first-time players may still have difficulty locating holes 12 and 13, as they are not within immediate view of the previous basket.

The teepads (a green plastic grate imbedded under the turf, intended for use in high-traffic areas on playgrounds and such) are scheduled to be replaced by concrete pads "soon." For now, most locals just throw from beside the pad.

In short, it's a fun course to play and well designed. Not perfect, but a good work in progress. Despite the reviews, it is clearly the superior course in the area.

4 of 4 people found this review helpful.

 For a college they sure need counting lessons

1    8/15/2010   8/18/2010
Review By: gordonbombay
Played: 46  Reviewed: 7  Exp: 5.6 Years
This review was updated on 8/19/2010
3 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Brand new baskets.
-Course is very well maintained/mowed.
-A few wide open holes to let you open up.
-Regardless of being flat there is good use of available trees and shrubery.
-Beginner friendly course (if you dont count the navigation debacle)
Cons: -Tees/Baskets dont match up. Hole 2 plays to 1's basket and so on until you get to hole 7 and there is no Basket 7. If this sounds confusing believe me it was even more frustrating to play.
-Relatively flat course.
-No trash cans.
-Tee pads are not only short but get very slick with dew/after rain.
Other Thoughts: From what I gather the course starts by the Custodial Services building with tee marker 2 and plays to hole 1.
Hole 7 I dubbed The Four Horseman. You not only have a long drive but have four towering pines 50 feet in front of the tee with 12 feet of clearance underneath. Kind of a cool signature hole.
Definately take a course map with you if you go. (I will be uploading one shortly)

3 of 3 people found this review helpful.

 Andrews works both long and short games

2-4    7/25/2010   7/25/2010
Review By: MGroothuis
Played: 6  Reviewed: 6  Exp: 24.5 Years
This review was updated on 7/10/2011
3 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Being at a very nice local university, the grounds are very well maintained. Baskets are brand new.

This is a great course to open your arm up and let your distance discs bomb...you'll need them.

Lots of room for being carved out of university grounds. Errant throws need to be WAY off before you get into trouble. Holes are a good distance away from sidewalks, roadways, and general pedestrian areas. Nearly impossible to lose a disc.

Course and Pro par is only 4 strokes apart.
Cons: Not too much variety in the holes. All very flat, with lots of long bombs with strategically placed trees. A couple of sharp dog legs, but that's about it.

Lots of walking between some of the holes. 100-150+ yards in some cases.

Course layout is very confusing to a newcomer.

I do not like the tee pads. It's a combination of heavy plastic mesh and a front brick border. The mesh is very slippery (especially with shoes wet from dew). I have to throw from the grass next to the tee.
Other Thoughts: All in all, a very nice course. Met new players here, joined in with them for a good friendly round of golf.

3 of 3 people found this review helpful.

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