2 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: I really like this course, it offered a great challenge of a beautiful bit of the park.Lots of great water shot, good technical bends lots of low canopies. And tons of shade i was very impressed. Great signage no problem navigating the course with the exception of the 12 its a bit tricky if you didn't look at a map before hand. We also fond a mobile pro-shop on site that was nice.
Cons: At time the course was a bit noisy,and i would have preferred some real tees,rather than gravel but this is a minor gripe at best. The gravel is well packed so it does allow for good footing. This park is rather crowded so be careful of people. And last but not least this is not a beginners course,water hazards are deep and unforgiving so bring extra discs.
2 of 4 people found this review helpful.
7 Helpful / 0 Not
Play it while you can
Pros: Very technical course with all kinds of challenges for any level player. Water hazards, mandos, ancient giant oak trees, pro and am tees on all holes.
Hole #1 - The pro tees here are possibly the hardest ones on the course. It's either a straight shot over 300+ feet of water or you have to take a distance shot to the right and go through some very big oak trees and still have to stay out of the water with a dog leg to the left. Am tees are a heisser through some big oak trees with a dog leg to the left with the danger of a large water hazard on the inside of the leg.
Hole #2 - Pro tees are thrown from inside a very old brick building. Anheisser it out the building of water and fade it around or near a large oak then a straight shot to the basket. Am tees are a fairly straight shot 317' to the basket with water all the way to the basket on the left side of the hole and a large oak about halfway down the hole. You can either anheisser it to the left of the tree over the water or just try to rip it hard to the right of the oak and land elevated.
Hole #3 - Pro and am tees are the same shots just longer distance on the pro tees. It's a staright shot 289' (am tees) the the basket with mounds of rocks and dirt to the right of the basket and large oak trees to the left. Basket is surrounded on the right and backside by very tall vegetation.
Hole #4 - AM tee starts with a shot through a path of palms then the basket sits to the left of a large oak with very low hanging branches. Best bet here is to probably try to rip it to the right of the oak and fade it in towards the basket.
Hole #5 - A 256' shot through some heavy vegetation to the right with a low hanging branch above and a small tree to the left. Basket is elevated and sits near the back edge of the hill.
Hole #6 - A 310' shot. Basket is a good bit to the right of where the teebox faces, but trees are to the right at the box so a good anheisser here is a MUST. Basket is low and under some trees with a very large drainage ditch behind it so be careful on the approach.
Hole #7 - In my opinion this is the hardest hole . It's only 268' to the basket, but the shot off the tee box is obstructed by a very large oak tree. If you throw to the right of the tree you have to miss the tree and the low hanging branches then come back in bounds because the OB is immediately to the right of the tree all the way down to the basket. Now if you want to go to the left of the tree you will need a good anheisser. Right after you pass the tree there is a bunch of palms to the left, a gazebo area at #6 teebox and then 2 giant oaks to the left with branches touching the ground all around. Basket sits to the back right of the 2 oaks.
Hole #8 - A 270' shot to the basket. Two large oaks sit in the center with the basket behind the last tree and slightly to the right. You can either zig-zag it through the 2 oaks and lay it up or try to make it through the low lying limbs to the right of the tee box and rip it good to clear the low lying branches from the other 2 oaks. Either way the name of the game on this hole is "keep it low".
Hole #9 - A great ace opportunity here. It is a straight shot with no real obstacles and only 220' to the basket. OB is the sidewalk, but you have to really have some serious griplock to go out.
Hole #10 - A 338' foot shot with the only real obstacle being a very large oak tree about 40' in front of the tee box with fairly low lying branches. Basket sits under another large oak to the left of the trunk with low hanging branches. It is OB about 40' behind the basket so watch your drive distance.
Hole #11 - This is my favorite hole and it is a great ACE opportunity. Basket is only 164' from tee box, BUT (that is a VERY big but) the basket is surrounded by OB to the right and behind with water hazard to the left and front side. You have to tee off from the other side of the water with a bridge in front of you and too many trees to the right so it is very risky to go that route. Most will give it a hard heisser over the bridge and try to just land it in bounds and pray that you don't roll into the water as well.
Hole #12 - The signature hole on the course. A 226' shot through some low hanging branches off the tee box. The basket sits on a lagoon that is nearly surrounded by water except for to the right of the lagoon area. Another very fun hole I say.
Hole #13 - One of the harder holes on the course. A 321' shot with plenty of routes to take. Right off the tee is a large elevation with plenty of large oaks right afetr and further down as well with another large elevation in between and to the right. You can take this route if you can keep it low enough to clear the trees, but high enough to get over the elevations. There is a large body of water most of the way down on the left side. You can try to either go over the water with a really good anheisser or go the same route, but try to roll it instead. Basket is perched between two large oaks with an OB about 20' behind it so watch that approach.
Hole #14 - Another favorite of mine. A short 197' shot but there is a dense wooded area with large cargo tanks blocking any view of the basket which is behind it all and to the left. Most shoot a very hard heisser shot here to the right of the wooded area and just cross your fingers. Basket sits in the middle of plenty of oaks, but branches aren't too low.
Hole #15 - A 236' shot with 2 very large oaks trees in the way with very low hanging branches. Try to shoot it straight through and avoid the trees or try to give it a hard heisser to the right of the trees and put some power behind it. Basket lies behind the 2 oaks.
Hole #16 - A distant 365' shot that is fairly straight, but there are plenty of large oaks with low lying branches near the basket.
Hole #17 - A 255' shot that is fairly stright forward, but has some palms and large oaks off the tee box.
Hole #18 - The basket on this hole changes positions fairly often from long to short. Short shot is still about 400' from tee box. Three palms are directly in front of the tee box with a mando about 200' down on the right side. So you can either throw it to the right and try to clear the mando, throw a strong anheisser to the left or throw a roller in either direction. About halfway down you will be met with a handful of large oaks and a handful of palms as well. the basket is elevated and sits right near water behind it and the left side of this hole is an OB with a street and walkway all the way down. The long position basket sits across the water (about 70' past the short position) and is blocked by a large oak with low lying branches that sits right on the water's edge.. It is a very dangerous shot and claims many discs.
Cons: I'd say that only real cons of this course are that It is in a popular park so non-playing citizens are bound to be in the way here and there and the city workers do not do a very good job of keeping the grass cut often and for some insane reason they recently had a BBQ cook-off and they let people park and do everything on the front 11. there are many ruts and people poured out used oil, ashes, and food on the course. Park officials say they are going to fix it all up, but it makes no sense why they did all of this stuff on the course when this park is GARGANTUAN and has plenty of empty spaces elsewhere.
Other Thoughts: If you want to play this course as it is now, then I suggest you do it in the next year or so. A water park has been planned to be built over where many of the holes are and the NOTEAM that runs the course (Lafrenniere and soon to be pelican park as well) is probably going to be moving the course elsewhere.
7 of 7 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 5 Not
DG in the city
Pros: Great course in the heart of one of the best cities in the country. Very spread out with a viriety of distances, hazards and scenery. perfect for an afternoon in the park. And after a good round there is a perfect eating spot just down the street called cafe navarre. cant think of a better way to spend the afternoon with some friends
Cons: there are some very long holes and some deep water hazards. this may just be a personal problem but if there is deep water i am destined to throw a disc in it...
1 of 6 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 6 Not
City Park: The Challenges
Pros: Beautiful lagoons, the large overgrown oak trees provide for difficult tee offs and make for a challenging, but enjoyable playing experience. The holes offer an innovative approach, leaving options on tee off.
Cons: Some holes play very close to the street. Some players might find themselves sticking the disc into oncoming traffic. Also some of the tees are confusing and placed in close proximity to one another, possibly leaving room for collision.
Other Thoughts: All in all this was a very enjoyable course for a player who has just started or been playing on the intermediate level for some time. I do think that a professional would find this course a little easy though, some of the holes are very short and there are no 500+ holes.
0 of 6 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 4 Not
Pros: Being my only course through this point in my discgolf adventure,this course seems like a very good beginners course. I think the layout works well with no jams or players in the way.I would think the course is difficult enough for all levels to have a good and fun day.
Cons: The only cons ive experienced on this course are sometimes you have "scavengers" trying to retrieve disc from the water that get in the way and just plain ruin the peacefulness of it.The other is hole 11 is always slushy...its pretty much played over a mud bog.
Other Thoughts: Like i said this is my first and only course thus far. Im very happy to be introduced to the game on this course and to have it as my home course.I plan to enjoy it for many more years!
4 of 8 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 2 Not
Overdue in NOLA
Pros: Okay so I've been really critical of Lafreniere Park mostly because it is shared use and almost impossible to play. This course is a god send to the area. The lay out is creative and thoughtful especially for the space. I love playing this course, and have re found my love for the game with this course around.
Cons: Is it the best course I've ever played on? No. It needs some work and the lack of elevation in the area in general makes it very hard to have really creative course layouts. This is a fun and challenging course though, I've lost a couple discs already to the water, which isn't really a con but beware of gators. There is some other activity in the area but under normal circumstances this mostly for DG. I will also warn be mindful of fire ants the course is covered in mounds so it's better to keep an eye down.
Other Thoughts: Again this is a great course with a great challenge to it. I'm not a pro by any stretch of the imagination but I find this course to be fun and enjoyable to play. I can't wait to go out more and more.
5 of 7 people found this review helpful.
14 Helpful / 9 Not
A good work in progress
Pros: I was down in New Orleans for the weekend to see the Steelers play the Saints and hang with a buddy, who lives about a block from City Park. I headed over to the park on Friday to check out what I could of the new 18-hole course and listen to some of Voodoo Fest, which is a large 3-day music festival held every year in the park. I had been warned in advance that Voodoo Fest would prevent access to some of the holes, but I had a day to kill while my buddy was working, and I've already previously done all the other touristy things to do in town, so I figured what the heck. After I found my way around the festival to the area of the park where the course was located, I was pleased that I could still play nine of the 18 holes, and I was able to still to walk hole#1 and hole#11. On Monday, I went back to see if I could finish the course and while festival deconstruction was still ongoing, I could play several of the remaining holes and walk the rest; holes 13,15, 17 & 18 were a little too busy but holes 1,11,12,14, & 16 were good to go. So the following is my thoughts on the preliminary course, of which I played 14 of 18 holes over the span of two separate days.
Disclaimer: For the record, I've been playing disc golf for more than fifteen years, and play in the Open division in tournaments. I am not a long thrower by any stretch of the imagination and am unable to even eclispe more than 375 feet on flat ground with my best huck, but I still personally prefer longer holes and courses that feature pro par 4 and pro par 5 holes. I am sick of pitch-and-putt courses! I also like courses which offer a wide variety of hole distance lengths, offer or force varying flight paths, utilize elevation and water (when available) and effect scoring separation, where the best drives offer birdies, average drives yield pars, and poor drives are punished and only heroic recovery shots allow players to save par. Furthermore, I have worked as Scoring Director at five of the last six PDGA Pro Worlds and multiple National Tour and A Tier events and have seen what goes into premier and championship courses. I have done scoring analysis on hole scores from PDGA sanctioned events based on player rating and we have used this data to tweak pin and tee locations on courses to effect proper scoring separation for the intended skill level - the world class Animal course in Warwick NY is one such course where we have utilized such data. I am a member of the Disc Golf Course Designers Group where we discuss course design principles on a regular basis, and have worked in conjunction with others to both design and revise the design of several courses. I have played over 200 courses in the U.S. and Canada since 1995 and believe I have run the gamut and seen nearly every type of course, from New England heavily wooded to ski hill, from "prairie" course to ponderosa pine, from Pacific northwest rainforest to desert scrub and everything in between. I think my opinions are going to be therefore biased, so for everyone else, your mileage may vary.
Furthermore, I am a Safety Nazi. Beveled edge driver discs hurt (I've been struck by one from a distance) and in the wrong circumstances, I think one could seriously injure or even kill. I do not believe in disc golf courses sharing land with other park activities. If a course plays through or near playground equipment, shelters or picnic tables, fishing ponds, parking lots, park roads, streets outside the park, or any other park facility, or has holes too close to each other, then I'm going to blast it for unsafe course design. I've seen how both seasoned and recreational disc golfers are, and they are impatient and do not wait "until the coast is clear" and they throw on unsuspecting park users. I believe proper course design simply avoids these situations to begin with.
I am sure countless hours of blood, sweat and tears went into this course, and I have tried to keep any negative comments to a minimum, I fully understand that this is brand new course and far from a finished product and I am evaluating something which is only in its infancy. In general, I really like what I saw save for a few minor quips and I think this course will be wildly popular.
For starters, while the tee signs aren't finished, they are going to be some of the nicest I've ever seen, with chain link wooden frames. Don Perkins's custom concrete tee markers also mark the exact teeing location on each hole. What incredibly nice touches to the course! It was also tremendously cool to play disc golf along with the music that was ongoing. When you are at the tee of hole#7, you're probably no more than 100 feet from one of the stages.
Hole#1: This is a really fun start to the course, playing around a small pond. There's an ultra high risk left-to-right shot out over the pond for a strong lefty hyzer or righty sidearm but at 330' to carry the water, the safe play is to use the ample space out right.
Hole#2: This hole was one of my favorites on the course, offering a straight route over water to the basket or a route wide right around a tree. If I had brought some old discs with me which I didn't mind losing I would have taken the straight route but the risk of fading left into the pond was sufficient enough that I was forced to play conservatively. Big armed players should be able to take this outside route and hyzer in nicely for deuce.
Hole#3: Pretty straightforward
Hole#4: This was also one of my favorites because it was one of the few accuracy testers on the course. It also offered multiple choices with a route wide left or wide right if one chooses. The wide left route is there for a shorter righty backhand roller, lefty hyzer, righty turnover shot or righty sidearm and is probably the safest bet for a par 3. The right hyzer route is a little crazier and fairly risky because it plays over some very tall shrub near the edge of the park and the railroad tracks. The up-the-gut shot is probably the best chance at a deuce but early foliage could result in a bogey. More choices = a true "golf' hole and good design!
Hole#5: This hole plays to a basket up on a small raised portion of land which makes the green "fast." The drive requires a little bit of a turn from the tee but is shorter than it looks, and both times I played it, my drive landed close to the basket but the fast green kicked my disc down by the tee of hole#6 and hole#8, where I had nary a look at deuce. A nice hole.
Hole#6: This is a cool slow turn down into a corner of the property. Again, a shorter righty backhand roller, lefty hyzer, righty turnover shot or righty sidearm is the ticket here but I found out the hard way that a roller can carry a little too long into a wet ditch behind the polehole.
Hole#7: What makes this one really challenging is a sidewalk which runs the length of the right side and any shot which lands on or across this path is OB. Because of Vodoo Fest, a chainlink fence ran along the sidewalk and I actually used it to keep my drive from turning over too far and give me a nice birdie putt. But obviously, this fence will not remain in place and the hole will play much harder normally.
Hole#8: This is a fun ultra-low ceiling shot, and it's tricky to try and thread a low burner only a few feet off the ground all the way up to the target. I see a lot of these kinds of holes in the south and enjoy them - I don't know why northern course designers don't feature them more often.
Hole#9: This was surely my least favorite hole on the course...it's short and completely wide open. Pros and advanced golfers should feel silly not taking a score of two here.
Hole#10: A fairly straightforward hole with the exception of the sidewalk and road if a drive should stray a little too far right.
Hole#11: This shorty plays over a narrow water hazard near a picturesque bridge. It's not that long but the water, trees on the left, and bridge and road on the right conspire to mess with your mind on proper execution of the drive.
Hole#12: The signature hole on the course, it's not very long but is surrounded by water on 3 sides - short, left and right. Players can throw safely off to the right if they wish to keep away from the water. If it's windy, this hole could play treacherously despite its short length. It seems like there's also room for a Pro tee to back this one up a bit to make it even more challenging.
Hole#13: This one wasn't playable because of the Voodoo Fest, but it shoots from the open and right along the lake to a basket perched underneath some of the beautiful old growth trees found all over City Park. The drive likely requires a shot initially out over the lake for a bit.
Hole#14: This hole was also one of my favorites because where most of the course feature straight shots or only slightly turning shots, this one was a HARD righty hyzer. Southpaws might want to try a backhand roller here, and right-handed players who can throw a good forehand roller would be wise to utilize it here.
Hole#15: This is also another low ceiling shot underneath a magnificent old growth tree.
Hole#16: This one plays in the open, but then funnels through a tree line to a polehole position out by the lake, although it's far enough away from the basket that it doesn't come into play. This one looked long from the tee, but I uncorked a really nice (for me) Sidewinder shot and actually landed in the circle for a birdie putt which I sadly didn't convert.
Hole#17: Pretty straightforward
Hole#18: The tee was pulled up because of Voodoo Fest, but it plays along the road and then to a basket position perched in a pretty section of land near the bridge and it's a really nice basket location. An alternate position plays across the lagoon.
Cons: I think the course designers did the best with the available land they were given. It's a shame that more of the old growth trees and prettiest parts of the park weren't available, but that's the way it often goes. A course in the ground is better than no course at all right? In general, I would have liked to see a little more hole length variety. All of the holes feel like they play at just about the same length, except for perhaps 9 and 11 which are shorter. I understand that it wasn't possible to make for a championship par 66 course with pro par four holes and pro par five holes, but this course could desperately use at least two or three longer ones. A two-shot par 3 hole of about 450-500 feet is missing...one that requires a solid drive and then a longish upshot. It could also yield a spectacular deuce for the gorilla arms out there who can throw monster roller shots. The course could also sorely use several 575-650 ft. pro par four holes which requires two solid drives and a putt to earn a birdie 3. Having to make honest approach shots is a critical part of the game that is missing from this course. (and what makes, for example, the front nine of Highland Road Park in Baton Rouge so much fun...earning a birdie 3 on holes#2,4, and 8 feels like a real accomplishment) Again, I know that the course is a work in progress and pro tees may later be added which may make it much longer and more difficult.
Another something I noticed is that unless a drive were to find water, there's really not going to be many scores of bogey 4 or worse on this course. Even an average drive for skilled players leaves just a long putt or very short approach shot on most holes. You can pretty much spray your drives on most holes and not be punished for it. Most advanced golfers and Pros are either going to take all scores of either 2 or 3 on this course and there will be little scoring separation. I realize that a lot of this is just simply due to the terrain available..the land simply doesn't have the heavy foliage to punish errant drives like the Rivendell Farm course in St. Rose did; that course demanded accuracy every step of the way and was an amazing test of disc golfing skills. In fact, there is so little foliage on the new City Park course that it makes Lafreniere Park seem as tight as Greenwood Park in Baker!
And lastly, while the course designers did a good job fitting the holes into the land they were given, I feel there are few places where it just feels too cramped. There are a few spots where tees and baskets are too near each other, and other areas where fairways run adjacently and errant shots from one hole could stray into another. I realize that this may not ever become a heavily utilized course for tournament play to make for a problem, but at best it's a distraction and at worst it's a safety hazard. Some examples include the following:
Hole#2: If you take the wide right route, you are basically throwing directly at people standing on hole#3's tee.
Hole#5: Drives that come into too strong could end up on people standing on the teepad of hole#6 or hole#8.
Hole#7: Drives that fade left early could hit people standing on the teepad of hole#8.
Hole#13: People standing on the teepad of hole#14 are right in your line of sight
Hole#14: People putting at the basket of hole#16 are right in your line of sight
Hole#17-#18: These holes run too close together and hole#18 plays WAY too close to the road.
The most egregious holes on the course are easily hole#11 and hole#18. While quite picturesque, as previously mentioned I'm of the opinion that holes should never play close to park roads. Hole#11 basically throws over the bridge and a road which will surely be utilized by traffic in the park. I doubt that park management is going to be enthusiastic of hearing about discs hitting cars and the angry confrontations that could ensue between disc golfers and motorists. On hole#18, especially to the long position, I envision golfers throwing poor drives out onto Palm Drive, as well as poor approach shots which hyzer out into the road. I also think golfers will throw blind left-to-right approach shots out over the bridge after bad drives that may end up on the left near the road. Sorry, but I just don't like course design which has the potential to encourage people to throw blindly out over a bridge & road.
Other Thoughts: Again, I fully understand that I am evaluating something which is far from a finished product but I wanted to offer some honest constructive criticism about what I think could be improved. I am greatly appreciative of all the work which has gone into the course so far and will continue to go into it. Thank you!
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