4 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Beautiful Park, nice tees and baskets. Compact yet long layout, makes for quick rounds. Lots of water in play on this course, but in an interesting way. Drives over water or around. One hole is an "island" (has land bridge but still very cool). I ran into a guy diving for discs in the lake who said he retrieves discs for people whenever he can.<- Thanks Tank!
Cons: No tee signs. Made it impossible to correctly keep score and also more difficult to follow the lay out of the course.
Other Thoughts: I'm from Tallahassee and I made a day trip to play down in Clearwater. It was awesome and definitely worth check out if you can!
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
"Champ's Turf" Needs T-L-C!
5 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: *** Added some navigation tips below ***
First thing, right off; it's Ken Climo's home turf. Biggest thumbs up you can possibly get right there. And it's no wonder he got as good as he did playing here all the time.
- Very technical course. There are a couple of wide open grip 'n rip opportunities (#1, #2, #9, #18), but most holes are wooded and have few lines to the pin.
- Water is everywhere here, and it's not casual, either. You throw along it, across it, and have baskets perched on cliffs above it. The course even boasts an island hole (#A, which I've never played).
- 21 total holes... that's a plus, being the only +18 hole course in Tampa Bay.
- Beautiful surroundings... Moccasin Lake Park is a great setting for a disc golf course. Plenty of natural hazards besides the water to test your skills... or bravery.
- Cliff is connected to Northeast Coachman Park by the Ream Wilson Trail. This is totally awesome! I love to park at Cliff and play 18 then skate over to Coachman and play 18 more.
- Course comes back to the lot before you play the back nine. Nice plus here.
Cons: - Well, as everyone has mentioned, the course does need a little bit of a makeover. Some of the tee pads are in poor shape (#2 can get covered by dirt when it rains) and some of the pads are very short and aren't level, either.
- #1, #16, #17, and #18 play along the trail, so waiting for pedestrians is not uncommon.
- No restrooms on site except for a Honey Bucket. This is lame.
- Very few alternate pin positions, so play can get repetitive if you play here often.
Other Thoughts: - If you can't control your drives perfectly, you might want a floater or two here. The water is pretty rough. And you'll walk a little more than two miles in one round here.
- Not a lot of shade on the back nine, so have your sunscreen.
- Bugs aren't really a problem here, but I'd be careful going in after discs. It's not called Moccasin Lake for nothing, not to mention gators...!
The railroad tracks are a good reference to where north is.
The pad for #1 is directly north of the parking lot.
#1 to #2: Walk back west right by the water.
#2 to #3: The am pad is straight south of #2's basket. The pro pad is back toward the tee for #2 near the water by a picnic table.
#4 to #5: Turn around north after #4. The pro pad is past the picnic table.
#6 to #7: The tee for #7 is almost due north of #6's basket, close to the sidewalk.
#8 to #9: The am pad should be visible from #8's basket; it's almost due south back across the sidewalk, and the pro pad is a bit further back.
- After #9, you have to cross the street. The tees for #10 are near the big info sign on the west side of the road.
#10 to #11: The tees for #11 are right near the water south of #10's basket.
#11 to #12: The tee for 12 is the one pointing south closest to the basket for #11 and throws across the creek.
#12 to #13: Walk straight east after #12's basket.
#13 to #14: Just walk along the guardrail of the road.
#14 to #15: Cross the bridge again. The tee for #15 is west of the tee for #12 and points into the little patch of woods.
#15 to #16: #16 actually has four tees. The two pro tees can be found by walking along the sidewalk. One is close to a palm tree hanging over water closer to #15's A position. The other is right next to the sidewalk. Walk further on the sidewalk and you get to the two am tees. #16's basket is almost invisible, especially if it's in the trees.
#16 to #17: Walk back using the walking trail to the two am tees for #16.
5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
The Champ's Course. Awesome, but it could use some work.
7 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: The course itself is set in an amazing park. The trees are HUGE in spots and some of the lines play through what can only be described as "impossible spots" to try and get a disc through. This is mostly on the front, but the back has some neat looking holes, like 16, that sit out on an "island", surrounded by gator water!
There are two pads for most of the holes. Could be all, but I did not find them all if they were there for all 18.
The baskets catch well and are in very good shape. Of the four Florida courses I played this week, ALL of them had very good baskets.
The park has a great variety of shots as well. Long, straight shots. Tight anny shots that play very tech like. And 18 is a long hole with water that comes in to play.
There are signs on most holes, and they lay out the distance from each pad.
Good use of natural obstacles like trees, palmettos, and water.
Lots of seating, trash cans and other amenities on the course.
Cons: The pads seem very short on a lot of the holes. VERY short in fact on some of them. I would like to see these fixed first.
The signs on several holes are either broken, inadequate, or missing information. For a course with so much history, I feel like it deserves MUCH better signage. (see Taylor Park's signs for PERFECT example).
Navigation is not easy on several holes, especially on the back. There are a couple of holes where you have to double back and the flow just seems wrong.
Other Thoughts: At the end of the day, I was expecting an amazing disc golf course. I mean, it is the Champ's home course, right!? That said, I feel like I got a very average disc golf course. Especially when compared to the other courses that I played in my time in the Tampa/Clearwater area.
With a little work, this could be a 4 + star course. But with the broken signs, navigation issues and small tee pads, I feel like a 3.5 is a fair rating. Calling this course "very good" is right where I feel comfortable.
7 of 9 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 0 Not
Great course to play!
Pros: Variety of holes with a light mixture of different altitudes. Beautiful course location with a combination of shaded holes and sun-covered fairways. Extra long concrete tees allow for much needed space for a variety of throwing styles. Pro/Am tee choices make it an adaptable play for disc golfers of all ages and ability.
Cons: My biggest problem with this course is the lack of a few hole signs making a few holes tricky to read for first time players. The back 9 holes had some slight confusion about where the next hole is and what hole to throw to.
Other Thoughts: We stopped here while on a vacation to Tampa, and I wouldn't hesitate to stop and play it again. The great weather and overall gorgeous setting made Cliff Stephens more than just your average course. Water was in play in 5-6 holes, but not in an unavoidable state. It's courses like this one that keep me, (a below average player) loving the game.
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 4 Not
Pros: Variety of holes and different shots, Very nice setting...Looks good and well put together, There were long tee-pads which is always a plus, There were amateur tee's and pro...so if you need to take a step up so you don't throw in the water or into a tree your good!
Cons: My biggest problem with the course was that some holes had missing signs...can be hard to navigate, it was pretty frustrating.
Other Thoughts: Over all a very good course!! while on a vacation to Tampa, I would like to try this course out again! This was a very nice course! Water was a factor on a couple holes, but you can avoid it. I love this game!
0 of 4 people found this review helpful.
0 Helpful / 1 Not
Well worth a visit
Pros: Well designed course, makes good use of available land. Almost every hole forced a decision of some kind, either choosing which route to take, choosing how brave to be dealing with the water or trees, or both.
The back 9 is longer, hole 16 is an excellent hole, I thought clearly the best on the course.
Cons: Available land is a bit tight on the front 9, so some of the holes are pretty easy. That said, I don't believe there are any bad holes.
Other Thoughts: I'd heard about the course for years but have never had a chance to play it before. I'd only played 2 other courses in the area, The Canyon (an all time classic, but gone), and North Watertower (forgettable). I really enjoyed this course and, given the chance, would play it again.
I drove about 30 minutes out of my way to get to it and thought it well worth the drive.
0 of 1 people found this review helpful.
1 Helpful / 7 Not
just played this course
Pros: good variety of holes, nice course layout,
Cons: too much water and poor pin placement on the water holes,hole 16 was togh to find
Other Thoughts: lots of trash in the water, took away from the beauty of the course. One of the better courses we played in the area,
1 of 8 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 12 Not
A Beautiful B+
Pros: What I personally like and how this course stacks up in my list of 18 hole courses:
1) Holes with good risk/reward. Fair, but harsh punishment for bad decisions or execution. == B-
(Water is used very well on 1/3 of the holes. Going into the drink incurs both the penalty of losing a stroke and most likely losing your disc. There is not much "early trouble" (a little on 4 & 7) that will punish you with additional strokes if you are off your line. It would have been nice to see more.)
2) Holes that have rewarding birdie opportunities for me. I'm a Blue level player (950ish skill) who throws 300' accurately, 360' max. == B
(4 holes are unreachable but are short enough to to leave a 60-100' upshot....boring. The rest are a perfect challenge for me!)
3) More wooded than open - lots of variety of shots required caused by hole shape and topography == B
(This course design does a decent job of forcing particular shots - especially given that semi-open nature of the course. Overall a good mix of holes to keep things interesting.)
4) Natural beauty (Appalachian beauty preferred) and seclusion. == B+
(This course really "recharged my batteries"! I think it is the water that makes up for the lack of seclusion with the road crossing the park. Course is pretty well manicured. Very nice!)
5) Bonus points for multi-throw holes with defined landing zones, good risk/reward and multiple options to play them. == C+
(Hole 16 is a wonderful risk/reward hole for all but the biggest arms: choose how much of the water you want to bite off trying to make a tricky approach more manageable. The world needs more of these! The finishing hole (18 when I played it - now 21) is a worthy challenge based solely on distance. I wish there were a few more multi-throw holes on this course!)
Other Thoughts: It's all about feeding the addiction, so I ranked this course subjectively based on my own "personal addiction factor". The grades above tell how well this course will draw me back to itself again and again and again. See my profile for specifics on my rating philosophy.
I fancy myself as a connoisseur of good course design and I am a competitive Blue level (950-ish rated) with mid-level power (accurate to 300' with max D of 360'). Since I have played a decent number of courses (150+ 18-hole, 90+ 9-hole as of late 2009), my hope is that players/explorers who have similar addiction tastes will find my ratings list helpful as they choose courses to play and explore.
I fully expect others with different tastes/philosophies to disagree with me…..and that's the fun of things here.
2 of 14 people found this review helpful.
5 Helpful / 4 Not
A must-play Florida classic
Pros: Terrific use of a fairly small piece of land. Course flows very well with other park users. Holes are challenging. I'd argue that it's not as wide open as the other reviewers have stated. This course is beautiful and requires a good variety of shot shapes in addition to power.
Cliff is among the best of the "old-school" disc golf courses. It provides a very solid blue level challenge, particularly when it is windy.
Holes 3, 8, 12, 15, and 16 are post-card water holes.
Hole 18 is a nice finishing par 4.
You might get the chance to play with one of the many talented local players.
Cons: Beginners are likely to throw at least one disc in the water.
Other Thoughts: Don't be a dirty discer. Leave the course cleaner than you found it!
5 of 9 people found this review helpful.
3 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: distance, beautiful, and water
Cons: no challenge in the fairways, throw big and go for 2's
Other Thoughts: Jaymon's review is accurate. If you like big open courses that you can throw 300 to 400 with semi accuracy and go for 2's then come here. Water does not come into play on every hole and you won't lose a disc unless you can't throw long or if you throw one off line. Only two holes in my mind is it probable to lose a disc and I consider myself average. If you want a tight course then go to Tocobaga. The course right around the corner, Coachman, gives you the tight course 2 miles away with a little distance, too. If it has rained though, 1/2 the back nine will be 5 inches under water. The Coachmen/Cliff close proximity is nice if you have a way limited amount of time and want the variety of course to challenge you.
3 of 5 people found this review helpful.
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