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Pros: (Including parts from Creekside)
I have never felt this way when entering a DG course. It's almost like you are part of an exclusive club. Only 1 other group was on the course the whole day. The pro shop is well-stocked and also had good deals on used discs. New off-road carts handle the bumpy roads and fairways much better than normal golf carts. The carts have a bed in the back big enough to hold your discs and a cooler and in my case a tackle box and poles as well.
1 starts out requiring a semi-risky approach by the water.
4 is just a beautiful hole that plays right along the lake. The drive is a straight shot to a grassy area by the water, followed by a second shot through the trees, or if you are more powerful than me, an approach shot straight at the hole with water covering the front. The green is lightly wooded. It is a difficult hole, but one of my favorites.
6 and a few other holes are nice ace runs that provide relief from the long tosses.
7 is hands down the hardest hole I have ever played. The island green. To start off, I faced a 15-20 mph headwind. I don't know what it is about that spot, but that is the only hole of the day that I even noticed there being any wind at all. It caused me to put my lightweight floating blizzard back in the back and go for the heavier Teerex which promptly caught the wind and dove in the lake (My friend and I hopped in and found it along with a few other discs) I dropped by where it went out of bounds and my next shot was a lay-up to the edge of the water then an approach to the island. Awesome design, but extremely difficult. Loved the hole.
9 included a strange 'S' shape fairway that was interesting and unique of any hole I had ever played.
The course finishes up with a scenic 18 that plays along the lake, but not being too risky of a shot.
Cons: 14, like many other people, I just don't get. If you did happen to get lucky or you were just that skilled to hit one of the 3 main gaps, you still face a heavily wooded fairway with no discernible path to the hole. I definitely think there should be a tree or 2 or 15 cut down there.
There are no bathrooms or water along the course, but that is cancelled out I think by the carts. We made it from the farthest part of the course to the pro shop (where the bathrooms are) in just a few minutes. The carts really take the need of bathrooms and water away, especially since you can hold a cooler in the cart.
The course can be really dusty now and then, especially with a cart or 3, but on a ranch that size, you can't expect the grass to be perfectly maintained after all that cart traffic.
There are no benches, which really only affects the people that walk the course.
Other Thoughts: Again, this is the best experience I have ever had playing disc golf. Dave is a man of few words, but is as nice and as hospitable as you can be. It took us 2 hours to play with 5 guys and 3 carts. The cart really saves your energy and that allows you to play more. I camped with 4 other guys and the campsite had a picnic table with a fire ring and firewood supplied. You would definitely need a truck or off road SUV to get to the campsites though. The farthest campsite away from the showers and bathrooms was only about a quarter mile away. The bathrooms were clean and the showers were hot. Overall, a great camping and disc golf trip.
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Designer Response by: johnrhouck
So great to hear that you enjoyed the courses -- and the Selah experience -- so much. It is an amazing place. As for Hole #14, I'm sorry it didn't make sense to you; you are not alone, and it may be the most misunderstood hole I've ever been involved with. We're actually working on a short video explaining the hole -- I swear to you all there are multiple clean and fair routes to the pin, and the video will show them all in detail. Until then, I hope people continue to love the courses.
19 Helpful / 10 Not
Pros: I don't really have anything to add that hasn't been said in previous reviews. But I'll point out a few things that I appreciated.
The course is very difficult, well thought out greens that are tricky for the most part. The scenery and the environment were hard to beat. Worth every penny and every second of time spent away from home
Hole 2, 4, 7 are truly great holes, very fun to play. The holes that are more wooded are all really fun and just a bit different enough from one another that it doesnt get to be monotonous.
Cons: Hole 14, as grodney said, is just silly. I was really put off by it, not because its the worst hole ever made or anything, just that, compared to the obvious thought that went into a lot of the other holes, it seemed like this one was a brain fart in comparison. Its a truly terrible hole. Too much luck factor. It is three-able. But there are way too may trees in the fairway, and guarding the basket.
Other Thoughts: Great atmosphere, well designed course, very nice people on site. Houck is a genius.The amenities are great, carts, porta johns, pro shop, lodge area, showers etc.
If its hot, id bring as much to drink as you can, and some snacks.
19 of 29 people found this review helpful.
Designer Response by: johnrhouck
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Glad you enjoyed it, Pwingles, and thank you for the wonderful compliment. I'm sorry you didn't see the virtues of #14 -- it's just such a misunderstood hole. To help players see the vision, we are actually making a video of the hole, so stay tuned. Hope to someday change your mind on that one.
Pros: Selah Lakeside is real golf. The abundance of water shots and multi-shot holes means that you need a skilled physical game -- but also a solid mental game.
The variety of tight vs open on this course is outstanding. You have it all: Open holes away from water, open holes near water, tight shots near water, tight shots in the woods. You can use your full creativity throughout the course. Players in the same group will often end up throwing different shots.
The variety in shot lengths is incredible. Not only do the one-shot holes vary from short touch shot to challenging long throws, but the approach shots on multi-shot holes will also vary greatly. In the end, you will test the full spectrum of your distance control.
The basics are all top notch: Tee pads, baskets, pro shop, carts, etc.
The exclusivity of the Selah Ranch cannot be over-emphasized. Having these two courses on land entirely devoted to them is well worth the price of admission.
Cons: Hole #14 is highly questionable. The gaps are too small and the routes are unclear. This adds up to the thrower looking for the easy way out: A bailout to the ravine on the right, or a thumber or tommy over the top. If it weren't for this hole, the course would rate 5.5 out of 5.
There are no benches at the tee. There might be an assumption that everyone will be in carts, but I'm sure this won't be the case. Benches at the tee would elevate this course yet another notch.
The ground is too rough for standard golf carts. I'm not sure what the solution is here, but just in standard low-speed driving the carts were being badly shaken.
Other Thoughts: Selah is a true destination. It's easily worth the money for greens fees and carts. Depending on your priorities, it's probably worth the money to stay overnight, especially in the Corral House.
11 of 12 people found this review helpful.
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Pros: Design--I think the core of Selah Lakeside's greatness is the intelligent, meticulous design. The distances between tees and baskets (or tees and landing areas) are not arbitrary, they are based on the abilities of red tee and blue tee players and the foliage density. Another major pro for this course is the overall layout. For example, on most courses that I have played that are designed around a central lake, all of the water holes have the water on the same side of the fairway, because the course simply makes a one directional loop around the lake. Lakeside makes a couple of figure eight loops so that the lake is on alternating sides for the water holes. Also, the signs are beautiful and look bomb proof.
Par 4s and 5s-- well designed par 4s and 5s are the future of disc golf. Multiple shot holes add so much more strategy and intrigue to the game. This is why ball golfers can join a country club and play mostly that one course the rest of their lives. Multiple shot holes create so many possible combinations of shots that can evolve with the player.
Navigation-- all courses should have clear signage and navigation aids for those who are new to the course, but especially major destination courses should be easy to navigate. Lakeside did not disappoint in this regard. Very nice directional signs pointed us to the next tee. If you were going to walk either of the Selah courses, pick Lakeside, there is a lot less distance between holes compared to Creekside.
People-- Dave and Candy, the owners, are just awesome, nuff said. Ditto on Jack Bourn, the course manager who lives down the road. Dave asked Jack, who was retired, if he wanted to do a little part time work managing the courses. Since week one he has never put in less than full time. He had never heard of disc golf before, now he is friends with many of the elite pros. Super cool guy.
Accommodations-- There are rooms at the Inn, Woodland Cottages (that are just off the Lakeside course) and then the Corral House that sleeps eight. We had eight guys and stayed in the Corral House. It was a total blast. Book several months in advance or you'll pay more money to stay somewhere half as nice and you'll have to drive half an hour every day to get to Selah.
Setting--take all the aforementioned and put it around a beautiful lake and surround it with trees and you've got disc golf paradise. The trees were still bare and the grass was still brown and it was still beautiful.
Cons: Nit picky stuff that did not detract from the experience such as a typo on the red tee sign for hole 11 said that it was a par 4 (just caused a moment of confusion since we could see the basket under 200 feet away). I will also say that the second half of hole 14 does not have anything remotely resembling a fairway. It was not very Houckesque. You walk down to your lie in the landing area and you look up to see a thick stand of trees with no discernible flight path to the basket. We saw some freshly cut trees, so I think this hole is still a work in progress.
Other Thoughts: When I first heard there was a course with golf carts I rolled my eyes and imagined a future full of fat, lazy disc golfers.
After a weekend at Selah, I would say they are mandatory (unless you are staying at the Inn or the Cottages and only plan on playing Lakeside). This Ranch is huge. The Corral House is very isolated from the courses. The courses are very separated from each other. And Creekside has some long distances between holes. If you travel a long distance to Selah you will want to get in as much golf as possible. I would say the carts at least double the amount of holes you will play at Selah. You'll get plenty of exercise playing 72 holes a day with the carts.
12 of 12 people found this review helpful.
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Dream DG vacation
Pros: We had a group stay for a weekend in the Corral house at Selah Ranch. The house was fantastic. The website calls it their "roughing it" house, but it was pretty posh, with 5 beds, a flatscreen with dvd, a full kitchen, and a pool table. The owners seem like great people. They were very nice, and seemed legitimately happy to have us. They treated us very fairly too. Like others have said, the dogs kept us company, which was cool.
This is the only course I have played on that has a pro shop and golf carts. It made for a great experience. You could easily play Lakeside without a cart, although the distance between holes on creekside makes a cart really helpful there. Where we were playing from sunrise to sunset, the carts really helped. We even had energy left for some night golf. At $20 per day, the carts are a good deal.
The course lived up to high expectations. Great design, in really beautiful surroundings. One great thing about this course, that other courses often lack, is that it had almost a full mix of hole types, open, tight, water, dry, hilly, flat. I personally think they worked in the elevation they had well. The water holes are amazing, and the tree holes are very tight and technical.
We played the course several times, both red and blue tees. The blue tees are an extreme challenge, and not for the feint of heart.
Hole 7 is a classic, and the island throw is epic. There is a lot of water in play on a lot of holes, and where there is not water, the trees are super tight, so there is no relaxing. The pars, ranging from 3 to 5 are representative and fair, unlike many courses that insist that every hole must be a par 3 regardless of the length or difficulty.
Hole 9 - 13 through the trees is a great stretch. I. particularly liked hole 9, which requires a well placed drive (right to left) in order to position for a tough left to right a approach. Hole 4 is an absolute beast, do you risk the water, or wrestle with the woods? 18 holes. No throwaway holes, and several classics.
Selah is a great experience. We traveled across the country to try it out, and it was worth it.
Cons: Not many, and they may be overly picky, but here goes. It was a bit windy. We checked the weather regularly in the weeks leading up to our visit, and it seemed to always be around 15 mph. You may want to expect breezes.
The second half of hole 14 seems unfinished. While the map shows three fairway options, there is really no fairway at all, just random trees everywhere. After many rounds, we concluded that the best spot to throw your second throw from was off in a ditch to the right side. This can't have been the intention when designing the hole. This is an easy fix, and hopefully will be remedied soon.
Other Thoughts: I would like to see cart paths. The soil is sandy, and the carts are working their way to the sand. Designated cart paths would help preserve the course. I particularly would recommend that they ban carts from the island. Its a heavy traffic area, and a highlight of the course. I want to see it remain green and beautiful. The carts are working down to the sand, which is sad to see.
11 of 11 people found this review helpful.
22 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: I was fortunate to be a part of an 8-man disc golf road trip designed around a 2 night stay at the Selah Corral house. We arrived after dark to find the lights left on and a golf cart charging. Early morn we stopped at the proshop and friendly gentleman named Jack welcomed us with a few Pearce/Schusterick stories while he showed us several lost and found bins filled with discs. (all owners had been called and awaited pick-up) Also there were a few unmarked 'found' discs for $5.
The course lived up to expectations. Very imaginative design, beautiful eye-pleasing fairways and greens. The water hazard holes have been described in detail and they are great, but the wooded holes were the favorites for me. Very well defined fairways, some short and tight requiring precision and some a bit more open and longer. All holes were interesting and seemed very fair except for #14. (see below)
9, 10, 11, 12, and 13 are my all-time favorite 5 hole stretch in disc golf with #10 at the top. 10 fairway fit my eye (as a rhbh thrower) and required a very straight, somewhat precise 350' downhill flight with a slight fade into a L->R sloping side-hill green at the finish. A very satisfying hole that rewarded a well thrown disc.
Pete and Cookie (two yellow labs) chaperoned our activities and the carts were definitely a bonus for carrying gear. It was pretty breezy on the water holes so most of us opted to use floaters. We brought a remote controlled boat with a coat hanger modification for retrieving our floating discs. (this worked well)
Dave and Candy definitely showed their famous glowing hospitality and were way more than fair when it came to pricing and extras.
Selah is a must-have experience if you are the number one disc golf nut in your area.
Cons: #14 starts out with three ultra-narrow tunnel fairways that lead down to a small hollow. The (blue) concrete tee slopes awkwardly backward causing many first timers to sky their plastic into the tree canopy. Once you manage to glide down through the initial 280' you look up to find a wall of forest with no significant gaps. It is a full on 'poke and hope' situation to the basket. Still fun, but to assign it a 90/10 luck to skill ratio would be generous. Maybe this will be improved at some point. I decided to give this course a 5 rating despite the seemingly unfair nature of the last half of #14 because:
1- It was fun anyway
2- There were a few recently cut stumps that led us to believe that improvement was imminent.
review update: I see Mr. Houck has posted some design comments with regard to #14. I was surprised to hear him defend his design and announce no changes coming despite all of the bad reviews. Seems like a bad decision by a great designer. Even Leonardo painted some dogs, but they don't hang in the Louvre. Somebody cut some fair fairways before we come play again in Feb.
Other Thoughts: Great people, no waiting/no crowds, beautiful rural area, and 36 holes right out your front door.
Our group was unanimous in our preference for Lakeside over Creekside.
22 of 22 people found this review helpful.
8 Helpful / 13 Not
Lakeside at Selah
Pros: It's not your average course where you drive, and hopefully make the putt for the bird. This course is so well thought out, it plays (so I've heard), like "ball golf". Where placement of your drive, to set up for the ideal approach, to hopefully 3 the hole is what makes this course so wonderful. Beautiful scenery, combined with peace and seclusion makes this an absolute for all disc golfers to experience. The golf carts to ride in allow for more play time, less fatigue, and just FUN!!
Cons: Bring some "trash" discs for hole 4 and 7. I've lost a lot of plastic out there, but it certainly won't keep me from returning year after year.
Other Thoughts: If you want to get away for a weekend with your significant other I strongly recommend saving some $ and staying in the little cottages on the property. Dave and Candy are wonderful people who are willing to share this awesome piece of land with others. The fishing in the ponds is excellent as well (tons of bass!).
8 of 21 people found this review helpful.
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Everything's Bigger in Texas
Pros: On a 1,200+ mile trip, destination Selah, I had quite the anticipation building as one could imagine. I was not let down one bit when I arrived. The property is quite welcoming with water features and disc golf fairways as you enter. The lodges, pro shop, and other buildings are pristine. With that, I decided to give myself the royal treatment complete with golf cart and a freshly stocked Mystery Ranch bag (cart was a necessity at that point). I set off to play and was immediately drawn in by the intricately designed fairways offering multiple routes, landing zones, and often challenging greens. True golf design was evident with par 4s and 5s filled with risk/reward to make you earn your score.
The water features abound really makes this course stand out. Well balanced for left and right handed players, there is a perfect mix of water carries for each side to cross. Throw in an island hole with a cart bridge, and you have the perfect recipe for a world class course. Balance and creative design is seen everywhere else on the course as well, with a variety of dog legs, "S" curves, dual helixes, and every other range of shot beyond your imagination.
Cons: Being from the Midwest, I'm used to more elevation. The design did a great job of incorporating every bit of the terrain possible. Surprisingly, I really didn't feel like I was missing anything because the track itself was laid out so masterfully. This really is a pro, but I'll put it here anyway as something to look forward to: There were many trees recently planted to further enhance the course's design. As a fresh transplant, it will take a little time for them to mature. When they do, DGCourseReview better be prepared to offer a 6.0 rating.
Other Thoughts: There's no better reward for a good shot than a golf cart ride to it. As I played these Selah courses, it made me wish my hometown crew were there. Do yourself a favor. Get all your friends together, come stay and play at Selah Ranch and make a vacation out of it. You will be very happy you did and will have memories to share for a lifetime. Selah Ranch offers the finest lodging, service, cuisine, amenities, and the friendliest staff of any disc golf resort out there. Group campsites are also a great option, with nice hot showers close by. Either way, this place is the best hands down. Really, you owe it to yourself!
23 of 24 people found this review helpful.
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Pros: This course makes you bring your game and will let you know what shots you don't have in your bag. The first hole gives you a taste of everything with open length, wooded tunnel approach, water, and a challenging green. Each of these elements is used throughout the course.
Even with the raw length of this course, you had better been practicing placement shots leading up to the challenge. This disc golf course is a lot like playing ball golf in the fact that the approach shot and putt are more important than the distance of the drive. Even so, a missed drive will certainly be punished on many holes and if it is bad enough, a pitch out will be your only option.
This course is beautiful, especially in the fall on a calm day. The lake and wooded holes are awesome and you need a camera to capture it even though no camera can do the course justice. I did the best I could to capture its beauty, and you can find that picture in the 2014 Innova Calendar for September.
FUN! The most fun I have had on a disc golf course outside of a tournament was on this pair of courses. The choice of lay-up or go-for-broke hole after hole creates a sort of high that makes you just want to keep playing. This course doesn't just use water to make you make that decision either, the wooded holes are like that in some ways and don't make you lose a disc if you fail at going for it. Just to give you a mental break every once in a while, the par-3s come in and give you a somewhat relaxed shot to execute. In many ways, I think this type of golf is really the most enjoyable.
Have I mentioned the risk vs. reward yet? Probably, but anyway this course adds this with water, basket placements where an errant putt may roll away, and doglegs that you might want to bite off more than you can really chew. There are also places where a big skip will put you out of position on a drive you wanted to stretch out too much. These challenges are a great test of your overall game.
I love par-4s and -5s, and this course has a lot of them. As a golfer, these well-designed holes are a dream come true for me on a disc golf course.
Cons: I'm nit picking, but there isn't a ton of elevation change. There are some holes with a valley or a little elevation, but it doesn't really seem to come into play with your disc selection much.
You have to pack water or other refreshments with you pretty much, and the round can be long, but its not too exhausting, even when walking. I guess on an extremely hot day you will be needing all you can bring, but if you have a cart it isn't hard to pack everything you will need.
Other Thoughts: Pete and Cookie may watch you for a few holes. They are cool dogs and just want to interact with everyone. They may even hang out and go with you on the cart.
#7 and #4 are among my favorite holes I have ever played. The water factor and the fact that they are solid, well designed par-5s at over 800' from the Blue tees make them amazing golf holes to me. #7 has claimed a disc of mine, but the chance to make that shot was wort it. I took on the challenge, and the course took my disc. Oh well, it happens.
#14...Seems to be a lot of hate for this hole. I love it. The routs may be a little tight, but in reality you shouldn't be throwing a long range disc there anyway, so they are more than fair. A decent drive to one of the landing zones will leave you with at least one rout to the basket, and likely more than that. Great hole in my books.
Everyone seems to mention the long distance between the holes, but even though there is more distance here than many other disc golf courses, it didn't seem overwhelming at all, even when walking the course. In fact, it was a very pleasant walk. Maybe that is the golfer in me remembering when I have walked 36 holes carrying a heavy bag of clubs and walking courses much longer and with more elevation changes than just about any disc golf course has.
These courses are a treat. They are the only disc golf courses I have ever payed to play, but they were sooooo worth it. The carts are a nice touch and were useful for playing 4 rounds in a day between the two courses. Like others have said, it is a good idea to charge the cart during lunch so that it doesn't die on ya.
22 of 22 people found this review helpful.
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Masterpiece in the middle of no where
Pros: Situated on a 900 plus acre ranch in rural Texas lies a golfing oasis that reveals the best. The layout of the land sets up perfectly for open shots, dangerous water, and technical challenges at every turn. Having played both sets of tees I got the full appreciation for the layout and design of Lakeside. All tees are large and grippy, yet not too sticky. The Houck signature signs are some of the best in the business with accurate visualization of the holes (which is important on the blind shots), the preferred routes off the tee and both short(red)/long(blue) distances. Following the suggested routes is paramount for headache free golf though some "outside the box" shots can be made on the more technical holes if you're adventurous enough. With the par 4s and 5s, shot placement is key for an easier upshot. Errant throws will force a harder recovery or additional strokes. Even with the longer layout the fairways and landing zones are fair for everyone. Big arms don't necessarily have an advantage if shot execution/placement is on. That being said, this is a long course and smart consistent play will yield good scores. Multiple holes have prime examples of risk/reward in that you better be prepared for the consequences (higher score, lost disc, hurt pride) if you go for the big shot and don't succeed. This gives the course some balance to other long courses. The shot difference between tees shows an excellent variety in terms of angles, distances, shot type, and challenge. I'd rate the reds for an up-and-coming intermediate player and the blues for an advanced to open player though immense fun can be had by anyone on either set of tees.
Cons: Really these are only personal preferences but there are some long walks/rides between holes. It is difficult to get lost here though if you pay attention to the signs/intermediate directional signs/score card maps. Lakeside has more elevation of the two but there still is not a lot overall. This may be disappointing to some players expecting big rolling hills here. Lastly, if you are not playing while using a cart the start of this course is a very long walk from the pro shop though I imagine you can park closer to the start of the course or near the main house.
Other Thoughts: I've played some of the best courses in the south (Flyboy, Inverness, Idlewild, Cedar Hill, Roy G, Winthrop Gold) and these pair of courses are tied for best overall with Flyboy. Kudos to John Houck for identifying this plot of land and the challenge he's put forth. Already can't wait to come back, especially in the summer months when it'll play even harder. If you're coming for an all day experience I'd suggest getting a cart and changing it out after two rounds, otherwise they'll start to die in the middle of the third round. Also, there are a pair of dogs on the ranch, Cookie and Pete that are friendly as can be and like to ride in the carts so if you're playing solo, you can have a cart companion.
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