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Golden Tuna
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 23.1 years 185 played 31 reviews
0.50 star(s)

Could this be the most dangerous ever? drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 24, 2023 Played the course:once

Pros:

The topography is cool. You very much feel like you are playing in the desert. Huge cactus on 7 is really cool. The course is close to the airport, so there is also a fairly consistent string of planes going overhead, which I thought was cool. Pretty easy to find your way around

I'm sure the course is even more beautiful when it rains and the drainage areas fill with water.

Nice place to appreciate a sunset.

New discatcher28s are nice - permanent lights for glow are cool too!

Cons:

Dangerous.
I honestly can't see how this was ever approved, and hasn't been pulled or redesigned.

The bike/walking path crosses through many holes and in some cases is the most obvious fairway/landing zone. A spotter definitely helps, but some of the bikers and runners are moving quick.

Hole 1: blind approach to the path (that is also going around a blind curve on the path)
Hole 2: You must throw approach over the path
Hole 4: the path is the LZ and that area is going around a blind curve in the path.
Hole 5: your options off the tee are to throw over the path or over 6's pad.
WHAT!?

No OH Map, teesigns are useless, even though some are cool, custom art. No bathrooms - unfortunately, that doesn't stop the resident homeless that like to hang out in/around the park.

Cool park, would probably be better if the course were redesigned or removed.

Other Thoughts:

To be fair, the park was not crowded in the middle of a weekday, but I can definitely see this course getting busy in the evening. Cool topography, desert feel, and nice baskets.

Try not to kill anyone!
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Colicus
Experience: 29.8 years 121 played 7 reviews
2.50 star(s)

Desert Course, Challenging, with Some Issues 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Sep 22, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

This course is certainly challenging and fun. It is hilly with varying distance shots and interesting lines; especially near the creek where several holes on the front 9 run alongside. The local disc golfers are friendly and helpful. Many baskets have cones or long poles extending upwards for visual recognition.

Cons:

I'm not sure about the design of this course. The front 9 has a very busy biking and pedestrian walkway that is dangerous when taking blind shots. The back 9 is confusing. Signage there is sketchy at best. Several Baskets are close together making it difficult to see which one you are shooting toward from the tee box. It also crosses over itself once or twice and the holes run tightly near each other, so your drives will fly over some other holes on the way to your fairway.
Also, there used to be a large homeless tent city there. It was removed and is gone, however, there is some panhandling that goes on.
Baskets are old.

Other Thoughts:

This course could be improved so much if it was reconfigured. the front 9, I'm not sure can be reconfigured to pull it away from pedestrians and cyclists. But the back 9 could easily be improved with just a few tweaks.
I will say that even though I am in favor of it being reconfigured, the course, in its current state, is still very challenging for the average disc golfer.
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Treeplant
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 8.8 years 109 played 62 reviews
3.00 star(s)

Surprisingly Interesting Front 9, Ho-Hum Back 9, Try Not To Kill Pedestrians 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 3, 2019 Played the course:once

Pros:

- Decent signage.

- Concrete tee pads, not huge, but solid.

- For a relatively short course that follows a walking path, a surprising amount of variety on the Front 9, some interesting lines and decent variety. A pleasant surprise in terms of technicality and uniqueness for a short course.

- Parking close to the beginning of the course.

- You can use a cart on this course, though it's not an ideal cart course.

- Overall good utilization of the available space, glad they fit a course in here!

Cons:

-- The first tee blind shot over a path where you can't see either direction on the path lets you know the course designer seems to actively wish injury upon pedestrians. Back 9 is no problems whatsoever but there are a couple of really bad blind shots on the Front 9.

- Slightly more spots to lose a disc than you would expect for a course like this.

- Back 9 not much variety or challenge, 2/5 Back 9.

- Like all similar desert/rocky courses, get ready to have your discs chewed up. I literally did more visible damage to my discs in 5 days in Phoenix than I have in 5 years playing Canadian courses. Not exaggerating, it's crazy how this terrain chews up discs, I've never seen anything like it.

Other Thoughts:

- For a small course, it offers a decent bit of uniqueness and I really enjoyed a couple of the holes on the Front 9, though the back is pretty average.

- No shade anywhere, I imagine this course would be sweltering in the summer heat.
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pianocomposer
Experience: 26.8 years 21 played 21 reviews
4.50 star(s)

The most challenging course in Phoenix 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 22, 2016 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

A challenging and fair course for intermediate players. Well laid out with water and gullys and OOB to punish wayward shots. #1 is the most devious beginning hole I've ever seen. If you shoot par (58) you are truly talented. You can make up for all your bogeys starting on #9 with reasonable birdie opportunities. #18 is a great finishing hole. Very challenging and interesting #1 - 8.

Cons:

Too hot to play in the summer except in the early morning. Lots of spiny cactus and broken glass on the course, so wear sensible shoes and shirt. Even a good shot can be punished. Not appropriate for beginners (too frustrating). Very difficult to play in wind above 5 mph. I saw a coyote at dusk one evening, but they steer clear of humans usually. Homeless people sometimes hang out in the 'woods' but they are harmless.

Other Thoughts:

This is my favorite course in Phoenix except for Buffalo Ridge. It amazes me that students from nearby ASU campus don't play here more often. But it is a very difficult course. You should play it at night with lights on the discs. Amazing experience! People who give this course a poor review (1 or 2) are not to be taken seriously. I've played for 20 years and this is one of the finest courses I have ever seen. Immensely challenging, interesting. Forces good shots. I have only shot under par on this course once.
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sssrn
Experience: 9.8 years 11 played 7 reviews
2.50 star(s)

Ticky-tack Desert Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 18, 2016 Played the course:once

Pros:

Map is accurate.
Good signs revealing next tee and flags on the baskets making them easy to see.
Nice variety of layout. Many courses are simple tree dodging.
Well laid out course despite not a lot space to work with.

Cons:

Bring old discs. The rocks on this course will chew up all your discs.
Even with good signs it's hard to find the next basket. Had to walk out several of the holes to make sure I was playing the right one.
In the flight path of the airport. Hearing a jumbo jet take off every two minutes was distracting even to me who grew up near an Air Force Base.
With all the desert brush there's a high chance of losing a disc.

Other Thoughts:

I once asked a friend why he saw Rocky Horror Picture Show 20+ times and he told me, "I hated it the first 5 or 6 times I saw it but once I had it memorized I really liked it because I could focus on everything going on in the theater." This is how I think it is with this course. Once you have the layout down (and don't care about the damage to your discs) this course could be a lot of fun.
I don't understand the people who complain that it's a desert course. Are people surprised that Phoenix is in a desert? When I played the course in Montana I didn't complain about the forest. The desert has its own beauty and this course embraces it. If your image of a desert is the Sahara then this area would surprise you with the large amount of plant life beyond the cacti.
If I lived nearby I'd probably play this course regularly as it could be a lot of fun once you learn it but since I'm just traveling through then in the future I'll probably stick to one of the many other courses in the area.
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jconover707
Experience: 10.9 years 2 played 2 reviews
4.50 star(s)

Excellent Desert Style Course 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 19, 2016 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

I love this course. This is the very first course I played 3 years ago and I still play it on the reg. New tee pads were just poured on the back 9 along with multiple new pin positions. New tee signs are in the works now and should be installed within the next few months. This course a lot of great features that MANY if not ALL of the courses around the valley do not offer. This course has everything you could want from a desert course. There is a river on the front 9 that provides OB and tight fairways. There are elevated downhill shots and there are uphill shots. There are short shots and there are long shots. This course has tall palm trees you must shoot the gap or throw around, and also LARGE desert shrubs that obstruct certain throws and will challenge you to throw with accuracy. I love this course and I can tell that most of the reviews on this course come from A.) people who played here once, lost a disc, got it scratched, and went home to write a shitty review or B.) Aren't too familiar with disc golf.

Cons:

This course can be difficult to navigate but with some research before hand and a little patience, you will make your way through this course and want to come back to take it on again!

Other Thoughts:

The people that I know who love this course are all solid players that like the challenges that Papago offers. They like playing up and down and all around the desert landscape.

I've heard people who don't like this course make the following comments:
"I don't like desert courses."
"It's too windy."
"There isn't any grass." No shit, we live in the desert
"My discs get scratched."
"I can't pull my cart there."
"I don't like walking up and down the hills."

This course isn't for everybody. This course is for people who like a course that is a little more challenging than being able to see the basket from tee pad and just throw straight at it because there is little to no obstruction...aka Vista.
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UKfan
Experience: 14.6 years 90 played 13 reviews
1.00 star(s)

Don't bother 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 26, 2015 Played the course:once

Pros:

A good player may find a few of the holes challenging.

Cons:

The signage on this course is horrible. The day that I played this course some of the baskets were misnumbered. For example, there were two #5 baskets. It was difficult to find many of the tees and correct baskets.
There is a really good chance of throwing discs in the water in the first several holes because there is a very narrow fairway, if any, on some of those holes. Also, if this is the first time you play this course without a local then you will lose a disc or throw it into the water. This is literally the worst course I have ever played. I wrote this review to hopefully keep others from making the mistake I made by choosing to play this course instead of others in the area.

Other Thoughts:

I was visiting my son at ASU and we only had a short time to play so we thought we would play this course since it was close. Do not make the same mistake I did. Do not even bother with this course. The Memorial tournament was in progress the week I was there and we could not play a couple of the other local courses.
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Jazzmafia127
Experience: 5 played 2 reviews
2.00 star(s)

Medium playability 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Nov 22, 2014 Played the course:once

Pros:

Pros: it was a good length course with some nice front nine holes that have a little challenge to them, around trees, through brush, etc,etc.

Cons:

Cons: There is ZERO signs or maps that will help you find the next hole, if you don't find a local you'll be eaten alive. some holes don't even have teepads, just a circle of rocks with red dirt, some without the dirt.

Other Thoughts:

The front nine holes are pretty okay and pose a little challenge but the back nine are almost unplayable. The course is a little hot and rocky, but that's just az. It's a good course but if you can make it to emerald park its not worth it. In the end, if you can't find a local, you'll be golfing blind.
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dreadlock86
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 16.9 years 382 played 296 reviews
2.00 star(s)

a tale of two 9's 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:Aug 3, 2014 Played the course:once

Pros:

-signs on the front 9
-concrete tees or sidewalks to throw from on the front 9
-creek in play on a few holes on the front 9
-cool ravine and slight elevation changes on the back 9

Cons:

-this course is for locals only: navigation is terrible, signage is nonexistent on the back 9, generally trashy vibe, frequented by university kids and it shows
-multiple baskets on some holes on the front 9 were just confusing
-you will need a map, and you'll still not be sure on some holes
-could be so much better with a little love but locals know the course so those little things don't matter to them?

Other Thoughts:

Moeur Park has two nine hole, out and back loops. The first one has decent signs and some interesting holes next to the creek. The next 9 are rougher, without any signage, and seem like an afterthought.

The main obstacles besides knowing where you are supposed to throw are some scrubby desert foliage, the creek on the front 9, and the minor elevation changes in the ravine on the back 9. The distances are mostly short.

Moeur Park seems like a classic chucker course. Right next to a big university, kinda trashy, poorly marked. I caught it right after a rainstorm so the creek was moving and no one was really around. I wish I had some locals I could have followed.


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Outdoor Craziness
Experience: 11.9 years 19 played 14 reviews
2.50 star(s)

Wanting More from Moeur... 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Jul 21, 2012 Played the course:once

Pros:

The location: it's right next to the Marquee Theater over by ASU.

The water: Yep, there's water on the course! Unfortunately I landed in it (and was very surprised by it), but I still think it's a great challenge especially for an AZ course.

Cons:

The first 5 baskets: these baskets require somewhat blind throws right up a sidewalk with plenty of pedestrians. The sidewalk is OB, but the course follows the sidewalk so it basically serves as the fairway. Not good.

The back 9: very rocky, very repetitive. Nothing too special.

Other Thoughts:

I'd rather play the Vista del Camino course - it's about 10 minutes away and is very impressive.
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bogeybogey
Experience: 14.9 years 25 played 8 reviews
3.00 star(s)

Classic desert course in the heart of the city 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Apr 20, 2014 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This is a classic designed desert course that has some challenging elements and a few holes to just let it rip. The course is well layed out to finishing a round in 1.5 hours is quite easy to do. Hole and pin locations aren't marked but tall poles and flags make it easy to quickly move from hole to hole.

Cons:

Missing amenities like bathrooms, updating tee signs. Plus on the back 9 there is a ton of glass, so wear appropriate shoes.

Other Thoughts:

With little to no shade, this course can get hot really fast....bring water
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The Valkyrie Kid
Diamond level trusted reviewer
Experience: 45.8 years 1563 played 1507 reviews
2.50 star(s)

Scrub Desert Course With Canal/Creek! 2+ years

Reviewed: Played on:May 25, 2013 Played the course:once

Pros:

The front nine or the creek nine features decent concrete pads, standard issue fiberglass signage with some a little trashed (as are most fiberglass signs across America), some challenging basket placements sitting close to the canal and drop-offs and a few very interesting tee shots where you really have to shape your shot to stay out of the water or off the path.
There is some shade on on this the creek side of the course. The road leading in provides an OB option for a few holes here. There are some blind throws where walking ahead and spotting the basket will help. I parked in the small parking strip and was directed by the one local fellow around to begin my round on hole 8.

Cons:

Finding this course was difficult to say the least. We reached the general area and then has a heckuva time finally finding the actually course.

The back nine or dump nine on the other side of the road is just not a very attractive piece of land. It's open desert scrub with some baskets placed here and there. It's hot, arid, windy and littered with broken glass. The pads over are natural, the signs are painted pieces of plywood which weren't much help.

It's unfortunate because I believe there's enough elevation over here for a couple fun ACE runs and I liked the elevated basket stuck in the rock # 15.

Playing # 13 I walked over a small gully and came to small cave like indentation in the hillside and where there was an over-whelming amount of trash strewn about. Obviously some homeless folks had been living here recently and left quite a mess. Either that or some slobblish disc golfers had camped out here for weeks to get the best tee times over Memorial Day.

Other Thoughts:

I'm no expert on desert terrain but I've now played about 25 courses in Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada that would qualify as being in deserts. I'm breaking those down into three groups. First, are those in wonderful watered green, grassy parks such as Fountain Hills and Vista Del Camino. Gotta Love those.

The second are those in desert terrain that have nice dirt surfaces to play on such as Mesquite Grove. It's totally natural but easy to walk on and doesn't tear your discs up and is fairly attractive, in my opinion. It may or may not have some bigger trees such as Mesquites. Santa Cruz River Park in Tucson is another example. There was no grass there, just bare dirt with decent mature trees. But it was pretty and enjoyable to play.

The third, is what I call this desert scrub. It's harsh, rocky, not attractive, eats discs alive. It only has low scrubby plants. Moeuer Park DGC is one example. Marana Rock DGC north of Tucson in Marana is another desert scrub course although they have built a very nice and challenging 18 there.

In conclusion, I guess I may not be cut out to study scorpions, rattlesnakes, desert terrains or enjoy scrub desert courses. Your mileage may vary!
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thinblend
Experience: 3 played 3 reviews
4.00 star(s)

Something different 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:May 13, 2013 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

Lots of variety. Scenic. Front 9 is much cooler than the ambient temperature.

The course is challenging and the stream (canal) is next to it which keeps it cool. Also, if you throw it in the "stream", you can just go in and get it out as it isn't deep.

Lots of variety of shots to make the plays. The course is very enjoyable. The front requires more finesse. The back 9 offers those players that like long hucks something to look forward to. Lots of varying elevation makes for interesting plays.

Cons:

I love the front 9. Nothing to complain about.

The back 9 has no maps nor tee pads. The only map available for the back 9 is on hole 10, and that's it. Might be a good idea to take a picture if you don't have a map. The back 9 is also full of dirt and rocks so it wrecks soft plastics in a heartbeat.

Bring shoes as the back 9 can be rough since it's located in a ditch. There's a decent amount of broken glass here and there.

Other Thoughts:

Perhaps playing the front 9 twice...
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HarrMarc
Experience: 13.6 years 47 played 18 reviews
3.00 star(s)

it was fun 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 23, 2013 Played the course:once

Pros:

-Front nine requires requires lots of different throws around vegetation and to avoid an intermittent canal/creek; the back nine mostly requires big throws through a jagged wash
-Many drives require controlled glide and fade rather than just power
-Very challenging

Cons:

-The back nine is a work in progress at the present time, with temporary tee pads. As such it can be tough to orient around without a local's advice.
Very rough terrain. Back nine seems like old glass dump (don't trip!).
-Champion and Z-plastic recommended, but this plastic can be tough to throw (especially if not broken in) as it is not always possible to release a disc low and nose down
-Bushes and obstacles may result in absurdly difficult approaches

Other Thoughts:

Tee signs are bad, especially on the back nine.

FRONT 9= 2 1/2- 3
BACK 9 = 3 - 3 1/2

OVERALL COURSE= 3
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Psicko
Experience: 20.1 years 25 played 14 reviews
3.00 star(s)

2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Updated: Played on:Sep 26, 2012 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

As with everyone the front 9 are good. Tees are concrete, and have different pin placements.

Cons:

signage is lacking, especially in the back nine.
Back nine, tee pads are hard to find.

Other Thoughts:

Overall its a decent desert course. An area map for the back 9 is a good start. They need to finish the tee signs/pads to make them similar to the front nine. Once they do this, it should be much easier to find your way. As far as play, I enjoy this course, as it is a challenge to me. It seems like it should be easier, I don't know if its the course, but for some reason, I seem to play less than my abilities when on this course for some reason. I enjoy playing this course.
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crystal haze
Experience: 29.8 years 58 played 9 reviews
3.00 star(s)

Decent 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 31, 2012 Played the course:once

Pros:

Like many, I agree the front nine is almost like a different course, pleasant, with some more line shaping (though there is no ceiling, you just can't see the baskets). It's aesthetically nice with the water flowing. Good variety. I liked it from an urban recouped park perspective, and the elevation changes on the back nine were decent and the high up basket I liked (I think that's 15 or 12 at the top there.)

Cons:

The signage is not the best. If you have not been here, It's almost worth walking it to see where some of the holes are as several are blind. The back nine is on the old dump and there is lots of broken glass and leftover rubble.The sun and dust got me at the second half. Probably a function of playing doubles in the morning and then heading over here without too much hydration.

Other Thoughts:

Definitely close to downtown and not like the other grassy courses around, so I was happy to go here for variety.
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Natedoog
Experience: 15 years 7 played 7 reviews
3.00 star(s)

Great if you can find it 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 7, 2012 Played the course:once

Pros:

I love the Layout, felt different than any course I've ever played before, especially the back 9. a few aceable holes, great blind shots, and awesome pin placements.

Cons:

Took 20 minutes to find this place once I was at the intersection. The signs could use some TLC, also is this where the homeless come to sleep? I could do without all of the broken glass on the back 9.

Other Thoughts:

definitely come throw at this place if you want a course that has a desert stereotype. I had a blast at it and my friend that had been playing for 3 days enjoyed it too
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bcr123psu
Gold level trusted reviewer
Experience: 14.6 years 85 played 64 reviews
2.50 star(s)

A Desert Dichotomy 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 23, 2011 Played the course:once

Pros:

Moeur Park (aka Papgo Park) is located near many major traffic arteries, so it was easy to get to the general area of the course. The first half of the course has an oasis-like feel and all 18 holes are a fairly quick play.

The front nine presents the player with a decent amount of fairway variety. This includes fairways of different widths, with lengths from the 230s up to the mid 400s. Also included in the variety was the use of the subtle elevation changes and incorporating OB such as paths (see cons), roads (see cons), and not the least of which was water hazards (well, when nature obliges), forcing the player to carefully consider their shot selection.

The back nine also included some variation in hole length and incorported elevation changes. Risk vs. reward situations were prominent on several holes due to baskes being located at the edges of ravines or near water.

For the front nine, the concrete tee pads were a nice touch and provided that extra bit of traction vs. the arid surroundings. On all the holes, the baskets were in good condition and included an elevated basket to shake things up on one of the longer fairways.

Additionally, the first half of the course has decent signage that depicts major obstacles, distances, and possible flight paths. The aerial map of the back nine was useful (see cons), as were the "tee signs" on the second half of the course.

Despite the rocks and vegetation, losing a disc (when the water isn't rushing) would be difficult.

Cons:

In terms of location, while it was easy to get to the genearl area of the course, it could be a little difficult to find the park itself or the first tee for your initial round. Specific to course navigation, despite the aerial map, the back nine is really anybody's guess as far as which tee goes with which basket, or if you can even find the tees without wandering around for 5-10 minutes. The "tee signs" on the back nine were painted pieces of plywood with "Papgo" stenciled on...but no indication of distance, let alone a hole number.

The oasis-like feel of the first nine gave way to desert scrub on the back side and the last nine fairways were repetitive and fairly monotonous. With few exceptions, the baskets on the back nine could be approached from just about any line with just about any type of throw. The only complaint about the fairways on the front nine has to do with most of them favoring a RHBH player and having a left-turning shape.

Although losing your plastic isn't as much of a concern at Papgo, having it chewed up by gritty, rocky terrain is a strong possibility. Further compounding this on the back 9 are the piles of broken glass that litter the course (and occasionally here and there on the front nine).

There are some safety considerations that should be taken into account. Although the use of OB on the first nine holes is good from a critical thinking standpoint, the danger to the joggers and other pedestrians is sufficient to warrant concern regarding whether some of the holes should be redesigned to pose less of a threat to the folks that aren't golfing.

Other Thoughts:

The overall experience was like playing two totally different courses. That said, after talking to the locals (all of whom were really approachable and friendly) and other area golfers, credit needs to be given to the players that installed the course and maintain it. They got off to a good start with the first half of the course. If they can make a few of the holes on the front nine a little bit safer for pedestrians and add a bit more variety and polish on the last nine holes while addressing the signage concerns, this would quickly bump this course up to a 3. Despite the cons, this course is close to the airport and will probably be my first stop (again) the next time I'm in Phoenix.
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chillis
Bronze level trusted reviewer
Experience: 23.8 years 103 played 28 reviews
3.00 star(s)

A Tale of Two 9s 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Mar 5, 2011 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

FRONT 9 : A good variety of holes. Mix between some short accurate throws and some flat out hurlers! Different drives to throw. The stream on the right hand side adds difficulty to the first four holes. I love shooting at the long pin placement for #3, great challenge!

Decent amount of shade here, considering the terrain.

Overall, I'd give the front nine a 3.5/5.

Cons:

BACK 9 : I like the baskets on the edge of the hills. Provides a challenge, risk/reward. The ceiling is open on every shot, so anything goes. The layout here is a bit less inventive, but still fun to air out your long range discs.

The highlight here is #18, which is a blind throw, approx 350ft, that's fun to unload your bag at.

I'd rate the back nine 2.5/5.

Other Thoughts:

I do like this course, and I play it frequently. It's rarely crowded, and aside from the few bikers/joggers meandering their way through this park can feel pretty secluded. Play this course late in the day, as sunsets here can be pretty spectacular.

**I looked over the course today and it looks like the pin placements have changed. I'll get out soon to check out the new layout
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azbab
Experience: 15.2 years 15 played 4 reviews
3.00 star(s)

The Tale of Two Nines 2+ years drive by

Reviewed: Played on:Feb 5, 2011 Played the course:5+ times

Pros:

This course offers lots of variety in hole types that can be enjoyed by most skill levels. The front nine can be tight, and requires some shot shaping, and plays along a usually dry riverbed that adds challenge to the left-handed or RHFH player. The back nine is quite wide open, with a little more elevation change, playing in and out of a desert ravine.

Cons:

There are no amenities at this course, bathrooms or otherwise, so a little planning is required.
Not sure I would call this one beginner friendly, compared to other Phoenix courses, as the front nine has some pretty tight holes, and lots of opportunities to lose plastic (and meet some interesting folks that I think call this area "home") in the dense desert foliage.
The back nine does not have concrete tee pads or consistent signage, and can be a challenge to navigate correctly for first timers.

Other Thoughts:

If you didn't know this one there, you would miss it. I think most that have played would agree that the front nine is a funner, more challenging play than the back nine. It is really like two different courses. I enjoy playing here due to shot shaping requirements on many of the holes (especially the front nine).
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