1 Helpful / 1 Not
A Tale of Two Courses
Pros: I really liked the front 9 of this course. A lot of neat technical holes, good signage, good tees. Front side of this course would easily rate a 3.5, but the back side unfortunately slams it overall.
Cons: The back 9 of this course is what I have rated so as not to give this stellar image of the course. The back 9 are ROUGH.... blind targets, hard to find tees, no signs, shared targets in many cases..... this is a rough course. Granted... I am a newbie, and I wasn't going with anyone who knew the course, but by the time we were done with the back 9 - my girlfriend hated me, we were both frustrated, and basically swore to never play it again.... at least not for a long time.... so that was the experience.
Other Thoughts: please keep in mind that I am a total newbie... I do not throw as well as I would like yet, and even getting a par on an easy hole is not a guarantee.... that said, the new back 9 on this course is VERY rough.... the rating on the front nine would easily be a 3.5.
1 of 2 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Desert blind and wet.
Pros: Comments are only for front 9.
Good signage. Great terrain. Nice use of avail space. many holes are blind... not a bad thing, flags on some baskets help. Love the back 9 here. Played the back 9 6 times on recent visit. Te pads are now clearly deleniated. Signs, although blank at most tees. Hole trails are developing. Kudos to those who have put time and effort into the back 9 here.
Cons: Just a bit tough to locate... need to drive north of Curry to Operations drive. Quite a lot of trash strewn about here... 9 plays close to road. 2 discs landed in water along right side on first 5 holes... was able to fish 'em out with sticks. beginners need to be cautious here as water is way close to all 5 opening holes... Blind holes are tough for first time playing the course... back 9 ... some day they will put in permanent pads and actual marker signs and this course will rock.
Other Thoughts: Amazing how much psychological impact the presence of water makes on game play. water in the area = lower accuracy of shots... the mind game... fascinating... I prefer the back 9 here. Also played a mini game of ace race with the baskets for 10, 11, 12, 17, 18, practice. Shoot from basket to basket with a middie or a putter. Great practice as all baskets are visible form all other baskets and this makes for a great shoot around. Any one basket to any of the others makes for some fun, alt, short holes.
2 of 2 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 3 Not
great front nine
Pros: I give the front nine a 4 and the back a 2.5. I thought the wash was usually dry. I was happy to have the challenge and risk of throwing technically tight shots along the stream. Very memorable
Cons: Back nine was a little lackluster, but still more interesting than the park&lake courses.
Other Thoughts: The link to the map of the back nine was very helpful.
2 of 5 people found this review helpful.
2 Helpful / 2 Not
papago a go go
Pros: Very interesting landscape on the front 9 with a little elevation change, water in play, tree protected pin placements, island pin placements and various sized tree/shrub/cacti. Plays fast and is rarely crowded.
Cons: Back 9 is a little hard to follow without someone who has played it before. Also back 9 is a little redundant.
Other Thoughts: Alot of people dont care for this course after the first time playing it. Give it more than 1 chance and I think you will learn to like this place when it becomes more familiar.
2 of 4 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 0 Not
This course needs moeur
Pros: This course does offer some larger "trees" and a little water to increase the difficulty, not of which is generally found on other courses in the area. Baskets are nicely placed around curves or tucked into the trees to give more of a challenge. Though not major, there is some elevation changes found here. The first few holes are tricky due to the stream on the right that is a little tough to get your disc out of. Throw a slight hyzer and you will be fine.
Cons: Another example of the city giving whatever land they have leftover to build a disc golf course. Tightly packed in a small area, some of the fairways are certianly close to each other, especially for hole 5 and 6. A slightly to sharp of a hyzer here could easily hit someone on the teepad of 6. The course just looks bad, trash all around, esp. glass. The tee signs are ok, on the front 9 that is because the back 9 doesn't have any. Navigation problems quickly become apparent. The concrete teepads were nice on the front 9, the back 9 doesn't have any though there certainly was some effort to creat nice level dirt/gravel ones. Very confusing on the back 9 to know what basket you are throwing at, stand on the teepad and there could easily be 3-4 possible targets. Not the most scenic of courses in the area and it is rather close to the airport so planes will be flying low over your head the whole time. There is only a small parking lot at the start of the course but I have never seen anyone else on this course when I played. If it were to get busy, parking would definately be an issue.
Other Thoughts: A disc golf course is better then no disc golf course. Unfortunely there was some effort placed into this course at one time, but it looks somewhat neglected and run down. Certianly there are some better courses in the area that are a little cleaner and have a better flow to them. Despite the rough appearance of this course, it does offer some rather challenging throws. I come here to practice my accuracy and improve my game, not for the scenery.
6 of 6 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 1 Not
A Different Course
Good Layout For the Land
Good Variety of Shot Types Required
Great Use of Natural Objects
Concrete Tees On Front Nine
Hard to Navigate
Course Is Hard To Find
Many Blind Holes
Back Nine is Lacking After Playing the Front Nine
Back Nine Doesn't Have Concrete Tee Pads
No Benches or Trash Cans
The course can be hard to locate the first time you visit. Parking is located at the Northeast corner of Mills Avenue and West Operations Drive. From the parking lot, cross over Operations Drive to get to the first tee.
The first few holes play along the small watershed. A lot of times it is dried up, but when it has water it can add a lot of challenge to the course. Course is very technical and isn't a great course for beginners, discs can be easily lost in the underbrush, and a spotter would be ideal on this course. Course is mostly flat, but they did make good use of what elevation changes they have.
Navigation of the course can be very difficult. A lot of the baskets are blind and there is a lot of brush and other vegetation that make even finding the tees hard. If you are planning on playing this I would definitely check out the maps on the links page to get a good idea of the layout.
The front nine play on the south side of Opertations Drive and the back nine are on the North side. After hole 9 you will cross the road and the tee pad for 10 is at the edge of the road near the parking lot. The back nine are even more difficult to navigate, the course is flat and has a lot of underbrush so spotting anything can be hard. As I stated make sure you check out the map.
Overall this course has some great holes and the terrain is unlike anything that I ever played before. It can obviously get very hot and dry so bring plenty of water and wear very comfortable shoes. Course also has little to no shade so you will want to dress appropriately and/or bring plenty of sunscreen. Also there weren't a lot of trash cans so be sure to take your trash out with you. The course could use a couple updates, some new signs would be very helpful and some markers indicating where the next tee is would be very helpful.
Overall I enjoyed this course a lot and look forward to getting back to the Phoenix area to play this one again and check out some of the other courses in the area.
6 of 7 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 0 Not
*Front nine only*
Pros: This course is one of the most unique courses I've played. It is set in a small patch of desert, with a small wash running through most of the course. The fairways are very well defined, and the rough can be brutal. The combination of various desert plants and the wash which can have a good amount of water in it make for lots of risk/reward decisions that really make you think about every shot.
The front nine requires lots of different kinds of shots, and punishes inaccurate throws. There was great variety, especially if both sets of baskets are played. Some of the pin placements are very cool, especially the island hole where putting long or short means you're getting wet. There were a number of blind shots, which really added to the difficulty level of the course, and made it even more interesting.
There are nice concrete tee pads on the front nine, and tee signs showing both pin positions on each hole. The dual baskets on the front nine was a cool way to make 18 holes before the back nine was added.
Cons: The course was not the easiest to follow the first time through, and could have used a little bit of work on the signage. This isn't really a con, but if you have cheaper plastic discs that you don't want beat up, leave them at home as most of the course is hard dirt and rocks.
There were a few places where going ob across the creek pretty much meant your disc was lost. This wasn't a major deal, but made the course a little less beginner friendly. Similarly, the number of blind shots, while fun, mean that it is very beneficial to play in a group where someone can walk ahead and spot for the group.
Other Thoughts: I really enjoyed playing this course, and am really looking forward to going back and playing the new 9. The course offers a lot of cool and unique challenges, and is not an easy course for any skill level.
If you are in the Phoenix area, this course is certainly worth the trip. Just make sure you bring good shoes, tough discs, and lots of water, and this course is a great experience!
4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 0 Not
Natural Setting Course
Pros: Challenging. You will have to be very creative with your shots to succeed on this course. Water hazards on the first 5 or so on the front 9 will force you to play for control over power.
Really close to Shelly Sharpe and completely different from Shelly too. If you have 27 holes in you, try both together for great variety.
Cons: Many blind shots, first time players will probably have to go forward and scout holes before throwing. Some of the densest underbrush in Phoenix.very easy to watch a disc enter the rough and then NEVER find it again. ever.
Other Thoughts: Play with bright discs. Play with sturdy plastics (Discraft ESP, Innova Champion, or Innova Star).
If you are in a group, consider sending someone forward to stand at the doglegs to spot discs (be careful of course). Water isn't that deep but can be a pain to recover.
Woe to the person who puts it on the other side of the creek. Lots of thorns and harsh plants. A really fun course, you are gonna be thirsty. As of November or so of 2008 the "back" course was still largely unfinished and hard to navigate but the basket placements look really fun because of the good use of the landscape. If you are in from out of state - This is a native desert-environment course and it will be a treat and a change of pace. If you like this course - try Buffalo Ridge. They are the closest cousins in the Phoenix area.
6 of 6 people found this review helpful.
6 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Wide variety of angles
-Great use of terain
-Very low traffic
-Water in the wash makes for interesting twist
-Lots of trees and obstacles
-Multiple baskets on many holes
-Lots of blind shots
Cons: -Rocks will chew up cheap plastic (use the good stuff, it makes a huge difference)
-A little difficult to navigate the first couple times
-Back nine is fun but lacks tee boxes and signs
Other Thoughts: Be sure to bring lots of water and a map (Spinners in Scottsdale can provide).
6 of 6 people found this review helpful.
4 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: Front nine are challenging yet fun.
Playing along the creek proves to be difficult, but fishing for discs can be fun.
Cons: Back nine is very frustrating, and poorly laid out.
We actually stopped our game because we dont like blindly throwing at pins that we were not even sure are the correct ones.
Actually shed some blood on a bush.
Other Thoughts: If by any chance you throw your disk completely over the creek on the first couple of holes, if you have enough balance you can use the big pipe to walk across. It will support your weight.
4 of 6 people found this review helpful.
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