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Crystal City, MO
Crystal City Underground - South Share



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2-4    8/4/2012   9/4/2012
Review By: stubborn puppet
Played: 33  Reviewed: 19  Exp: 3.2 Years
14 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: >
>The pros are obvious:
This is "IN A CAVE", which is still the coolest thing ever. No matter what the weather or temperature outside, it's perfect underground. See my review of the "North Course" for more details on some of that.
>I love the vibe, love the possibilities for bank shots and the moist, still air allow for long, true shots.
>For a pay-to-play course, the price is fine... even if they are getting a little too fussy about making sure players are paid for the one of the two courses they could be playing.
>There is a good amount of variety, some very unique shots and some worthy challenges.
>The lighting is fine, in my opinion, and you shouldn't need a flashlight. (I think you're a dummy if you don't put the LED's on your discs and you will hold other players up while you look for something that could have been instantly spotted otherwise)
Cons: >
>The layout and navigation are terrible. Not to say there aren't a few good holes, but they are just that, "few". Mostly, it goes like this, normal/good hole, followed by an impossibly unforgiving water shot (which requires you to throw 300' from tee to within 8' of the basket over the frigid underground lake - there is NO solid ground to land on between the tee and the basket and, if you miss, your disc is gone... you will never get it back.), followed by 3 holes in a row which are 120' flick shots around a pillar into a basket (should be labeled par 2)... and repeat. It's so lame. The design is inexcusable.
>I don't think anyone will argue that having 6 holes out of 18 less than 120' in length is acceptable. If this course is designed for children and "family" play, then why are there those holes that go over 300' of water? In the 3 plays through this course I've had, I saw dozens of places that a tee or basket could have been relocated that would have fixed or, at least helped make it a decent play.
>The tee/basket marking is more confusing than it is helpful. You can rarely figure out which direction to throw without walking around for several minutes trying to find the right basket. There are many times when two or three baskets can be seen at one time and they aren't marked (map is not helpful).
>There are distinct safety concerns here. Many holes throw too close together, blindly and there are lots of random non-players just wandering about this part of the cave, "just exploring". This is, in my opinion, unacceptable - not like in a park, where you can see them up front, it's all blind corners.
>I cannot find justification for all the junk that has just been left lying around; car pieces, tires, sheet-metal, cable wheels, pvc... just junk. This would take a few people less than a days work to haul out of the cave (or to an unused location), but the owner seems content to just leave it. It looks horrible, like a junk-yard.
Other Thoughts: >
>Because there are no permanently installed baskets or tees, I'm still optimistic that tragedy can be averted... if the owner agrees to let somebody else redesign the whole thing. New signage would be a snap to create, the baskets could be easily marked (but wouldn't need to be if the layout made sense) and the junk could be hauled away.
Since there is nothing else like this course, it's still worth playing. If you currently have to choose one of the two, north course or south course (this review), play the north. It's not as challenging overall (no impractical water shots), but at least it's a little better for actually playing.
>NO outside drinks (a special thanks to those that abused the no outside liquor policy). NO smoking inside (duh). Use the porta-potty, you are just a huge jackhole if you pee where we play (even out of the way is gross because you can smell everything down there).

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