St. Louis (Florissant), MO 
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Uploaded By: fairweather_fan Hole #16 (Taken 4/2009)
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Hole #16 Tee (fairway bounded by OB: natural grasses on right and 'experimental garden' on left)



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A Fun Passage of Time

1    5/12/2014   5/17/2014
Review By: Wise Fool
Played: 122  Reviewed: 114  Exp: 5.6 Years
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Very well kept and taken care of park
-Good concrete tee-pads
-Multiple pin-positions on each hole.
-This course had a lot of elevation change. Most the the holes had either downhill or up hill incorporated into them. There are even a couple of shots across a small valley which were a lot of fun (the valley shots were holes 2 and 6, and were two of my favorite on the course).
-The course has a good variety of distances on the course. There are some holes are 200 and 300 feet, and then a lot of holes that are quite a bit longer, in the 500 to 800 foot range. The back nine definitely longer than the front nine.
-The course didn't seem to interfere with other park areas or activities.
-Holes 18 was an awesome hole. It is about an 800 foot downhill shot, down a somewhat curvy fairway, with thick foliage down the side of the fairway. The hole finishes by going down into some trees and across a small stream. It was a lot of fun hole.
-The course made pretty good use of the trees it had. The thick foliage off to the side of some fairways helps to add some risk/reward and punishment for a bad shot.
-Quite a few fairways, especially on the back nine, had a fairways mowed into the taller grass, helping to add a little more challenge to some of the more open holes.
-My three favorite holes were holes 6 (one of the shots across the valley, hole 9 (a shot straight up a hill, through probably the tightest fairway on the course, to a more open basket), and the aforementioned hole 18. These holes were a lot of fun and the most memorable holes on the course.
-Gateway Titan baskets were in great shape and caught well.
Cons: -Tee-signs only have the distance and par on them. Since a lot of the baskets aren't visible from the tee-pad, it would be nice to have tee-signs showing a lay-out of the course to avoid walking up the fairway to get an idea of where the basket is located.
-Not a fan of having to drive or walk between the front and back nine, I prefer to be able to play my full 18 without having a break in between.
-The back nine was a little bit more wide open than the front nine and it was a little too wide open for my taste. Other than hole 18, it would be nice to see some more trees incorporated into the back nine.
-This course could use some more benches to rest on as there is a lot of walking involved in this course.
-A couple of navigation issues. It took me a while to find the tee for hole 12 as it was hidden just inside a grove of trees. Signs at each basket pointing toward the next tee-pad would be very useful.
Other Thoughts: This course was a lot of fun but it just didn't have the wow factor that I expect from a 4 disc or higher rated course. If I could I would give it a 3.75 rating as I feel it is a little higher than a 3.5 rating. It had some good fun holes but just didn't wow me like some other courses, and was a little too wide open compared to what I prefer. If you are in the area definitely give this course a try.

2 of 2 people found this review helpful.

  Longest Course Around

2-4    0/0/0000   4/20/2012
Review By: graydisc
Played: 1  Reviewed: 1
0 Helpful / 9 Not
Pros: Long drivers dream! Tees are great. Very well maintained.course. Elevation changes are a interesting twist. 800ft holes....WHAT!
Cons: Wind will really effect your game. Maps of the hole would be great at each Tee. Course is mostly out in the open. 800ft holes....WHAT?
Other Thoughts: Park is big enough to have two 18 hole courses. Overall one of the best courses in the area!!

0 of 9 people found this review helpful.

 Dreams of an ancient memory

1    3/14/2011   4/14/2011
Review By: Martin Dewgarita
Played: 1148  Reviewed: 93  Exp: 5 Years
6 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: A mostly open city park with good use of elevation and some technical lines. An enjoyable disc golf experience, especially if you like big open bombs with a few tighter holes.

Amenities. Shelter, playground, bathrooms, and plenty of parking (the upper lot was small, with plenty of parking down below).

Overall Variety. The front 9 has a good variety of open shots and tight technical shots. The back 9 has many mature clumps of trees that force more open lines. Elevation comes into play on many of the holes very well, with several big bombs off the top of a hill. Overall the holes compliment each other quite well, but it feels mostly like a big arm course.

Well kept. Littering seems to have been a problem here in the past as there's signs posted that tell disc golfers to please not litter. Garbage cans are provided and the park staff are constantly present, the course is very well manicured and kept looking nice.

Local Scene. Local leagues and tournaments are a regular occurrence here, the locals I encountered were all friendly and helpful.

Access. In the city, not far off the freeway it's easy to get to.

Other users. This area seems to be primarily a disc golf course, though the parking lot and road come into play.

Tees. Single set of level concrete tee pads are in good shape.

Signage. Decent signs read the hole number, and distance for the different pin positions.

Scorecards. I'll leave this in the pro section as there was a box provided for scorecards, though I don't know how well it is stocked as it was empty while I was there.
Cons: Navigation. It wasn't always easy to know where the basket was or which basket to throw at. Hole 11 I ended up throwing at the wrong basket (the correct basket was to the right and shorter). Some areas a next tee sign would be helpful, or having a map posted at the start would be useful (maybe the scorecards have maps if they're available?)

I had no prior knowledge of this course and I was lost after the front 9. There was no indication after the front 9 where the back 9 was located, I ended up having to ask a local (obviously if you've read any reviews or the course info page you know by now how to get there and it won't be a problem).

Alternate pin locations. There was a list posted at the start to indicate which pin placement was in, unless you have a great memory or a camera, this information is hardly helpful.

Other Thoughts: A very pleasant disc golf experience in St. Louis, if you like mostly open lines and watching the disc fly on big lines, this is a fun, challenging course worth the stop if you're in the area.

6 of 7 people found this review helpful.

 Beautiful Course

1    9/17/2010   9/21/2010
Review By: gkeberhart
Played: 36  Reviewed: 31  Exp: 6.1 Years
5 Helpful / 2 Not
Pros: There are a lot of great things about this course; distance, hills, scenery, multiple pins and excellent maintinence. Almost every hole had 3+ pin placements that were playable for any skill level. Tee pads were solid and generally level (not level to the ground but level where a ball wouldn't roll.) Baskets were in good condition and the grass was even mowed. Trash was at a minimal and there were plenty of restooms. There was a park set on the front and a large set of portable restrooms in the parking lot for the back 9 (I assume this is only during cross country season).
Cons: Going from the front nine to the back nine was a short car ride or long walk. When I played it we couldn't locate basket 17 but it was also getting dark. There were a few instances where you were throwing extremely close to a parking lot which could cause you to hit a car. The signage became a little frustrating as you never really knew where the basket was, just how far you needed to throw it (this was common at the STL parks I played). In a lot of cases it just fels really open, high grass was used in some areas to narrow a fairway though.
Other Thoughts: #9 had an amazing tee that really made the hole tough and exciting. The back nine incorporated a lot more in terms of elevation change. If you are on the last few holes and you end up in the wild grass keep a good eye on it, I found it very easy to lose two discs in there. Be prepared to walk quite a bit and tackle a few hills. Distances are accurate but because of some of the extreme elevation changes be prepared to adjust to playable distance. despite being a long course on paper, a lot of the downhill holes made it play much shorter.

5 of 7 people found this review helpful.

 LOOOOOOOOOONG!

5+    10/18/2008   11/11/2008
Review By: REDARMY
Played: 32  Reviewed: 29  Exp: 6.4 Years
This review was updated on 1/31/2010
14 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: Great design to the course, great integration into the terrain, and the course is relatively out-of-the-way so foot traffic is sparse at best.

The 4x4's at the holes marking which pin location is being used and how far it is is a great recent addition to the course.

Tees are always clear of debris and trash cans at most every hole keep litter to a minimum. Maintainance of the park otherwise is always top-notch.

Plenty of variety between pins and tees in and out of woods, uphill/downhill, and hyzer/ anhyzer shots. Big arms are favored here, but weenies such as myself have a legit shot through superior accuracy.

Probably the most picturesque course in St. Louis.
Cons: Signage between holes to point you in the direction of the next could be MUCH better (especially for hole 12 which is tucked back into the woods).

No indication in the park signage of where to park for the front nine, where the back nine is, or how to get there.

Holes 4 and 10 have benches to sit at, but otherwise, you're sitting on concrete ledges (not the most comfortable) or standing. Given the length of this course and the terrain, a few benches would be a cheap and welcome addition.

Another porta-john or two would be a good idea as well. There's a righteous bathroom at the Lenz shelter before the front nine, and a row of porta-johns before the back, but in between there's nothing. Given the length of the course, another facility or two would be welcome.

If you don't have a big arm, you'll get frustrated at this course, especially with the "C" and "D" pin locations.
Other Thoughts: Alcohol consumption at this park is by RESERVATION ONLY!!! (for private parties at the numerous pavillions).

Local wisdom (mine) says people watching the course for such violations are very few and far between. Local wisdom (others) says that if you do get caught, as long as you treat the park rangers with respect and don't have 47 beers with you, you'll be fine.

If you're looking for a scorecard but can't find them (as another reviewer stated above), check the BACK of the info kiosk at the first tee. An odd place to put them for sure, but I imagine they're there (and not in front) to keep vandals from grabbing the whole stack and tossing 'em around like confetti. The aforementioned scorecards DO have rudmentary maps on them that are accurate enough to get you pointed in the right direction, but they, along with the rest of the (lack of) park signage, don't tell you how to get to the back 9.

14 of 15 people found this review helpful.

 Beautiful and Challenging

7/17/2008   7/23/2008
Review By: ferretdance03
Played: 74  Reviewed: 19  Exp: 9.4 Years
10 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Sioux Passage is the most well maintained and manicured course on the St. Louis circuit. There are a multitude of bomber holes, and a few that require a good touch as well.
- Tee pads are excellent
- Great variety of left/right holes
- Some excellent elevation changes
- You get the feel you're playing at a country club
- Fairly easy to navigate
- Well designed 2 shot holes
- A lot of places to pick up strokes with long drives and accurate approaches
Other Thoughts: - The separation between the front and back nines is odd, and can be frustrating if you're not aware of it
- I found the wide open fairways to be mostly pleasant, but some holes lacked a challenge
- There are few longer walks, and no benches to sit on. A stool/chair is recommended

If you like stretching your arm out on wide open fairways with well manicured grass, Sioux Passage will not disappoint you.

10 of 10 people found this review helpful.


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