STL's New Premier Course
Pros: --Great use of elevation
--Tight but well defined fairways with challenging lines
--Good mix of field/woods
--Water comes into play making several approaches very difficult
--Great dug out natural tees
--Proper signage/Easy to navigate
--Most basket areas are mulched
--Front/Back 9 loops/Tees for 1 and 10 are close together
--Several signature holes come to mind...
The last 5 holes are amazing
--Course requires a good mix of technical, placement, and distance disc golf -- you might just throw every disc in your bag/every type of throw in your aresenal
Cons: --Some fairly long walks between holes
--Brush is pretty thick in some areas
--9/18 share a fairway (to an extent)
--Walks between some holes cut across other holes fairways slightly
--Alternate pin locations on some holes don't make the hole that much different
--Tee sign is hidden in woods on a couple holes
Other Thoughts: You won't find many courses like this in St. Louis. The use of elevation is unmatched in the area. Adding more pin locations (longer/more varied) to use specifically for pro tournaments could make this a championship caliber course.
If you play disc golf in St. Louis, play this course immediately. You will not regret it.
Definitely a signature Dave McCormack course that will only get better with age.
(I will update this with more specific info as I play the course more.)
Logan University- Championship Cal.
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Pros: So many pros..where to begin? Logan University's campus spans over 60 acres of rolling hills and dense woods with 2 beautiful lakes. One of these lakes features a large fountain for an added aesthetic appeal.
-This course truly requires every shot that you have in your bag.
- Left/Right & Right/Left
-Big Arm Bombs
-Steep elevation shots
---Getting off of the fairway here at all is likely to cost you a handful of strokes on your day due to the density of the woods on the tighter holes.
--Water OB is also a huge factor on holes: 3,8,16 & 17
-Large Metal Tee Signs
-Loops after 9
-Gateway Titan Baskets
-Beautiful Land- Extremely well manicured
-Chiropractic School very close if you throw your back out during your round. hah
Cons: Not too many..
-No Concrete tee pads (yet).. Though i prefer natural pads.
-This is a college campus..so alcohol is not permitted
Other Thoughts: This course is stellar.. I love it.. Should be rated even higher, wishlisted and favorited by more!!!
A HUGE thank you to Dave Mac and the guys at Gateway Disc Sports for this one!! Awesome Job
1 of 1 people found this review helpful.
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Pros: This is a championship caliber course. no doubt about it. It sits on the beautiful campus of Logan College and plays in and out of the woods with ponds and creeks coming into play.
the water hazards and the elevation changes which are 2 things that aren't found to this extent in the St Louis area really make the course.
Has a variety of shots both left to right and right to left and several holes where you get to choose.
The ponds come into play on 4 holes (3, 8, 16, 17)
The tight lines in the woods require accuracy, and most of the wide open holes require a fairly decent placement to give you a decent shot at the basket.
Front and back 9 do loop to the parking lot, but comes at a slight cost (more in the cons)
There are 2 sets of tees and from what I understand 2 pin placements on each hole (unsure of who has keys, or the authority to move baskets though)
Nice big metal tee signs just got installed, although there is no method of marking which pin is currently in play and a few of them dont seem to match up 100% to the hole, but they are still way better than nothing.
Cons: This course is new and still in the works (not sure if its immediately in the works or a trial run see how it goes situation)
natural pads are in decent shape right now but over time could become rough. Currently no tee signs and most holes don't even have distance info. The posts are in, so that helps find the tees, but most of them are by the whites, but a couple are by the blues.
The flow of the course is kind of silly. Part of this seems to be they wanted the course to loop to the parking lot after 9. After hole 8 you have to walk by 17's alternate placement, 13 tee, and essentially down 4 and 12s fairways to get to 9. Same issue after 17 you walk past 13 tee, and up 4 and 12s fairway.
Other than that the navigation isn't too bad but you WILL STILL WANT A MAP OR A GUIDE.
Other issue is that hole 1 plays along side part of 18's fairway and 18's basket is right there which could get confusing.
As well as the fact that the first half of 9 and 18's fairways are essentially the same fair way.
Other Thoughts: This course is supposedly still under construction, so the lack of trash cans and other little things may get ironed out in the near future we will have to wait and see. I WILL UPDATE THIS AS I KNOW OR SEE THINGS CHANGING.
Also this is on a college campus so be respectful pick up your trash and avoid causing a big scene. Rumor is that it may go pay to play or buy a membership and people taking advantage my make that happen faster.
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Pros: EXCELLENT USE of water and elevation. EXCELLENT mixture of wooded and open space (see hole 4). Strategically placed pins (watch out for water!). Two tee boxes, blue and white, which are correctly designed and par'd for intermediate and advanced amateur players - a rare find in courses today, thank you Mr. McCormack for doing this correctly!. The groundskeepers are superfriendly and excited to see disc golfers.
Cons: Trash cans are lacking - this could lead to future green fees or course closure.
Needs tee signs - though I imagine these will come.
Needs a kiosk with a course map.
Hole 1 can be a bit confusing, the basket is located at the far end of the field under the canopy. The confusion derrives from hole 18's basket being in site and looking like where 1 should be. So I'd like to see these two fairways separated by trees.
No concrete tee boxes for white or blue - I actually prefer natural settings, but many won't. It would be better if the teeing areas were level, but there are some instances where they are not (hole 3 blue is on a rolling hill).
Other Thoughts: I hope this course doesn't get bypassed for STL Open because of the teepads. It's better than Endicott
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Pros: Logan College has a beautiful campus with mature woods, ponds with nice fountains (that come into play), and trash cans and benches through out the course. There are many pros about this new course to St. Louis
- great use of elevation.
- Detailed signs
- well maintained
- two possible pin locations and tee markers.
-nice new gateway baskets with 3 sets of chains
- mulch around a lot of the baskets.
- possible Ace runs.
Cons: -no tee pad(yet)
- navigation is quite confusing without signs telling you where to go next.
- some of the holes use the same fairway and cross over.
- 9 is far away from 8 and hard to find your first time through. Basically you go back to the road and over the cross walk and it's Fairway is side by side. This was done to loop back to the parking lot after 9. (Kind of annoying).
Other Thoughts: This course has potential to be one of the top rated courses in the st. Louis area. It is only a couple months old so a lot of the cons I listed will most likely be fixed. Also as the other two reviewers noted this course MAY be a pay to play course in the future. As of now it is not. So be nice and respectful! Have fun!
One of my favorite things about this course is that it plays like an old worn in course. The fairways are expertly cut out and look superb.
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Pros: Beautiful grounds, well maintained, multiple tee pads, multiple pin placements, elevation changes, tight and technical, championship caliber, water holes, lots of risk/reward
This course is bound to be one of the top courses in St. Louis once it gets concrete tee pads, tee signs, and has some time to mature. It is situated on the campus of Logan University - College of Chiropractic which means they have a full time, year round grounds crew that maintains the course/property. The course boasts both white and blue tee pads which offer a great challenge due to the technicality you find on nearly every hole.
For those who are familiar with St. Louis courses, Logan is a combination of elevation changes from Sioux Passage and tight technical shots from Endicott. There are a couple open, grip it and rip it holes. But, you'll need precision in order to score well here. There are a handful of short Par 3's, but none of them are gimmies. You may drive with your putter, but you still have to form your line to navigate around all the obstacles in your way.
There is a great use of elevation on nearly every hole. Smart golf wins the round out here as the rough is still very rough and difficult to play through. So, if you can stay in the fairway and stay dry, you're doing pretty well. Water comes into play on holes 3, 8, 16 & 17 which forces a smart shot or the risk of losing a disc.
Cons: Natural tee pads, tough to navigate, challenging, no trashcans, water and restrooms are not readily available
Though there are only natural tee pads out here now, they aren't that bad as most of them are relatively flat and debris free. You will encounter some difficult footing on a number of fairway shots, but that is mostly due to the terrain and elevation, not the design or maintenance of the holes. There are a couple questionable choices when it comes to the flow of the course, but I've attached a map which should be helpful. When you finish holes 8 & 17, you have to walk back across holes 4 and 12 to get to 9 and 18, so keep an eye out for incoming shots.
This is a college campus, so naturally there are bathrooms and water fountains, but I'm not sure campus personnel wants disc golfers traipsing around their campus and tracking mud into their buildings. Please tread very lightly in this regard because they are the ones that could choose to make this course pay to play or private for students only.
Other Thoughts: This course is an awesome challenge and a great work out for the mind and body. My caution to everyone is to be respectful and smart at this course since it is on private property and we don't want a few bad apples to spoil this great course for the rest of us. There aren't really any trash cans on the course yet, so if you pack it in, please pack it out. Also since there aren't really any facilities, be sure to bring your own water, soda, whatever. Thought it is a college campus, I assume alcohol is frowned upon, so be very discrete, don't leave any bottles/cans on campus or just wait till you're done playing
Traveler's Note: Turning left out of the campus will bring you right back to Highway 64/40. If you turn right on Schoettler, then left on Clayton, you have everything you need in regards to food, fuel, shopping, etc.
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Pros: +Well well well, looks like I get to be the first to review another fantastic new DGC in STL. This may become the best course in town, so that means its good. A very high level course.
+Beautiful campus with large hills and ELEVATION changes, 3 ponds, nicely maintained grounds with mature woods.
+Every type of shot is needed here; course really has some cool and challenging lines, some of which certainly brought me out of my comfort zone.
+The times I've played, I play it as a par 61 (which most likely isn't going to be the actual par, probably higher). Anyway there's a good amount of par three shots that are more technical. Then the par 4's are the kind where it really pays off to have a good drive; but even then, you're not going to have an easy second shot. An example is hole 3, which is a sort of tunnel shot with the pond lurking behind. The tunnel is about 300ish long, and then the fairway takes a right 90degree turn where the pin is tucked 50 in. So holes like that, pretty cool.
+The 3 ponds actually come into play.
#3 has one pond on the left side taking any overthrown RHBH shots of the tee. Then behind the pin there's a smaller pond taking any overthrown approach shots.
#8 Pond about 20-30ft behind pin.
#16 Pond and creek protecting the green.
#17 Pond on the right side of fairway. Tempting shot to try to carry over it, probably about 400ft on a straight line.
+Signature holes. You're gonna leave Logan with a memory of a lot of holes that really stood out.
+This course really punishes bad shots.
+Two sets of pads. Some awesome different locations.
+Two pin positions, most of which really change the hole
+Very challenging. First time shooting there par is a great score.
+I'll say it again, Elevation.
+Oh ya, almost forgot, Elevation, ponds, beautiful scenery, challenging holes.
+AS OF 10/23/13 Tee signs are in! Very nice signs.
Cons: -Natural tee pads. Concrete ones should be installed in the future.
- I think the one thing that will keep this course back is the flow. The walk between 8-9 and then 17-18 is a long one. The course was designed to make two 9 hole loops to the parking lot. While this is nice and some people really like this quality, I don't think it was worth it to cut up the flow as much as it does. This design element forces you to walk through at least one fairway to get to the next hole. I'm not one to complain and be upset about this if it were necessary. But that's thing, in my opinion, its not necessary. I play the course 1,2,3,9,10,11,12,4,5,6,7,8,13,14,15,16,17,18 if that helps you out.(probably didn't). I feel this hole sequence is much easier to follow and requires a lot less walking. Without a map or directions, you will most likely get lost.
- #9 and #18 basically share the same fairway.....
Other Thoughts: > So overall a fantastic course, a must play if in STL
> Very high level, challenging, punishes bad shots, lots of variety, elevation, water hazards, beautiful grounds, signature holes.
> Will be confusing, it'll help if you take a map. Flow is bad in those two spots that I ranted about.
> Is free to play at the moment.
> Will update this review
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