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 Tight As A [Censored]

1    3/10/2012   3/27/2012
Review By: Jukeshoe
Played: 186  Reviewed: 148  Exp: 5 Years
This review was updated on 4/1/2012
6 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: - This tightly-wooded course plays through tall, mature pines. The fairways range from partially wooded to ridiculously tight. Dense clusters of trees make up the "fairways" on more than a few holes, but undergrowth is largely absent. The final few holes work out of the woods into more open ground with a few deciduous trees. A small water hazard on the back nine spices things up a bit. Winstrom is comprised mostly of shorter-length holes, but these present enough of a challenge to not be mindless.
- The course winds back and forth over and around a modest scrap of elevation, but the spills and thrills come from navigating through the wall of pine.
- Concrete tees in average shape.
- Perfect for putter or one-disc rounds. Trust me, you'll feel utterly ridiculous bringing a bag along.
Cons: - Signage, where it exists, is basic. Several holes have defaced or missing tee signs. The flow is a bit awkward with one or two improbably long walks that might be a bit tricky your first time through.
- While squeezing the most out of the available land, Winstrom feels pretty cramped in places, with several safety hazards in the design quickly becoming apparent. Baskets near each other with a blind shot leading to one of baskets. Baskets near tees. Fairways near walking paths. Having to backtrack one hole's fairway to get to the next hole (still a bit of a distance off). Exacerbating this list of safety hazards is a "rules" sign on the first hole that explicitly forbids any "formal" or "league" play; and most on the course (at least the multitude that were out when I played) exhibited a very relaxed etiquette. "Casual" only. And the casual come in droves.
- The design tries its best, but ultimately Winstrom falls a bit flat. Repetitive and one-dimensional, not to mention more than a bit unsafe.
Other Thoughts: - Winstrom feels just a bit like a relic from the days of Steady Ed: throwing lids through the trees and whatnot. In that sense, the course succeeds. But in the end, the cramped conditions and frenetic traffic spoils a lot of the charm. As long as you can hit it during an slow time when the traffic isn't overwhelming, Winstrom is good in a pinch. But don't go out of your way or expect it to blow your mind.

6 of 7 people found this review helpful.

 Not safe!

1    3/10/2012   3/17/2012
Review By: mashnut
Played: 815  Reviewed: 753  Exp: 12.5 Years
6 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: The course plays through a nice little pine forest. That makes for tight lines and a unique setting. There isn't much rough, but the trees are dense enough that if you find your way off the fairways it can be challenging to save par. The tees are concrete, and though they're small they have plenty of room for the short holes here. The short, tight shots offer some fun short game challenges, this would be a good spot for putter or superclass rounds.
Cons: The safety issues here are pretty extreme. It's a really popular course, especially with casual players. With holes very near each other, including a couple spots where baskets are within 50' of one another, the amount of less accurate throwers compounds the potential issues. A few blind holes and players who don't know to check if the hole is clear or yell fore adds a little extra danger. There are a few navigation issues, with long unmarked walks and limited signage. Many of the tees are numbered, but a few aren't. The course gets a bit monotonous, with mostly hyzer and straight short shots, there's plenty of opportunity for more shot shaping variety.
Other Thoughts: Beginners can have a lot of fun here, as evidenced by the popularity with casual locals. The holes are short but still offer some challenges, and the atmosphere is pretty relaxed. More experienced players won't find many different challenges, and the business and safety issues on a nice day make this course a lot less fun to play. If I lived nearby, I'd probably only play at off-peak times, though it would be a fun place to work on your short game.

6 of 6 people found this review helpful.

 Mixed feelings.

2-4    10/2/2011   10/4/2011
Review By: lazydisc
Played: 12  Reviewed: 5
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Concrete teepads
- Easily defined fairways
-This time in late fall none to not alot of underbrush makes it feel very open even with trees.
-Super tight will make you attempt to be more precise
Cons: -Difficult to follow layout
- Short holes
- Very many trees.
-Sometimes to tight of turns.
- Some fairways run very close together.
Coupled with trees makes disc dodging something to watch for.
-Bugs. Didnt get any this time, however we went in the fall. Earlier this year it was cloudy.
- General atmosphere? "no swearing, no drinking, no smoking, no league play allowed. rules strictly enforced." followed by threats of closure on sign right next to tee one.
Other Thoughts: Maybe make it friendlier? Winstrom is a township park squished into a corner lot next to the soccer fields. This lot is used for "nature trails" and disc golf. Even smoking a cig in the parking lot got me dirty looks. If your in the area, skip this course and go to Shore Acre in suagatuck. Or if this is your kind of a course. take a drive out to Cold brook.

2 of 2 people found this review helpful.

Home Course

5+    6/5/2011   6/10/2011
Review By: Trespayne
Played: 15  Reviewed: 3
This review was updated on 6/3/2013
1 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: -Location is great. Right by the beaches in Holland. There's also a nice field nearby to practice.

-Good cement tee-pads at every hole

-Super quick course, If you're playing in a group of 4 it should take no more than 45 minutes.

-Good mix of backhand, forehand, tomahawk-people say it's forehand happy, but you can throw a backhand on every hole with the right disc.

Great to work on short mid-range shots and long puts. The course is also great if you're going for a low score because all the shots you can birdie with the right first shot. The only difficult birdies are #15 and #18.
Cons: -Very short holes, there's almost no need to break out a driver except maybe on holes #15 and #18.

-Can get pretty busy at times, but I've rarely had a problem with people not letting my group play through.

-A few holes don't show the length of the shot, but if you have played the course you'll know exactly where it is the next time through.

-Course layout is somewhat questionable. Many holes go right next to others, but there's usually enough trees to protect yourself from getting hit by a random disc. Aside from hole #9 to #10 and hole #14 to #15, the layout is pretty easy to follow (after 9, walk on the sidewalk to the right along the path until you see #10 on the right, after 14, walk back to where you started 14, then keep walking the path a bit further and it's on the right)

-After clearing out well more than 2/3 of the trees on the course, the holes are much more simple and completely took away the charm of what was a heavily wooded, challenging short course. It is now lightly wooded and short which is not nearly as much fun.

-Also due to the clearing of the trees, there are branches and twigs all over the course and you can get cut up or slip if you're not paying attention.
Other Thoughts: It's a decent course, not a good course. It's great for mid-range shots and long putts. It's definitely NOT worth a big drive to play, but if you're in the area it's a nice one to play. I live about a mile away so I play it a lot, it's just not the same as it was before the trees were taken down, but is still fun and quick.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful.

 

1    9/8/2010   9/9/2010
Review By: sgamerp
Played: 80  Reviewed: 64  Exp: 6.4 Years
2 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Teepads- Cement and On every hole

Signs - Minus one hole (i think 16) it had the sign for the hole number. Half of them have the distances

Nice places to get your mid game pretty solid. nice and short

If you play by yourself you can get it done in about an hour even with getting lost.
Cons: Even with the signs they don't have the distance on every one.

Forehand happy Most of the holes are made for someone who throws forehand.

2, 3 and 8 are all on the same path and people throw into each some spots are blind.

A few holes were hard to find, 6,11, 15

Hole 9 is a putter ace run(113ft? and its right in front of the teebox)
Other Thoughts: When I went there were a good amount of trees that had fallen down in front of baskets on hole12 and 16. Some of the paths are hard to find, on 6 you need to follow a bike path, 11 you need to walk through the woods, when done with 14 you need to go back to the path and head towards the parking lot in view. Hole 9 is 113 and its right in front of the teepad. Over all this place is super fun, and quick. Good for someone who wants to practice forehand or break there mids in on the trees. There is also a Moble that sells Discraft Discs in Z and ESP plastic, they also have soft magnets.

2 of 2 people found this review helpful.

 meh. only once...

1    8/25/2010   9/7/2010
Review By: apdrvya
Played: 243  Reviewed: 236  Exp: 4.3 Years
This review was updated on 6/7/2012
1 Helpful / 1 Not
Pros: TeePads-- Nice, big, cement

Baskets-- New, and in great condition.

Location-- Beautiful forest for disc golf.
Cons: TeeSigns-- Either the distance or hole number was missing on a good portion of the tees. Also, there was no directional marks as to where the basket was, much scouting was needed.

Navigation-- No directional marks where to go from tee to tee. I can site 10 to 11 as a prime example where you have to walk down a path to find the next tee.

Plastic wrapped trees-- Discs bounce about three times as far as normal off of these bastards. A great shot that might bounce off of a tree onto the edge of the fairway, now is twenty feet into heavy woods.

Lanes/Fairways-- Many holes that have no discernable lanes in which to throw. Makes it hard to find the basket and even hope for par.

hole 9-- 'nuff said.
Other Thoughts: Disappointing to say the least. We were miserable by 10. They could have done so much more with this great piece of property. On the bright side, there were some unused soccer fields that were great for field practice.

1 of 2 people found this review helpful.

 

2-4    6/15/2012   8/3/2010
Review By: rshrevo
Played: 38  Reviewed: 32  Exp: 18.3 Years
This review was updated on 6/15/2012
1 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Nice challenging course. makes you think about shot placement. Fairly easy to navigate through the course. with it being in tress there is hardly no underbrush to hide your errant discs. Lots of shade. was almost like a nature walk saw lots of squirrels running around while playing my round.
Cons: Since it is heavily wooded some holes are hard to reach in three unless you get lucky enough to miss all the trees on each shot. was hard to know where some of the baskets were actually located on my first time there. no hole layout listed on tee poles. tight fairways are really close to other holes. like Number 2 basket right next to #3 fairway.
Other Thoughts: When playing this course if there are others you see playing it then watch out for errant discs. was almost hit trying to putt on #2 by a drive hitting a tree on #3 fairway. plus other times while walking to my shot was seeing discs land off to the sides of me. I do like the course. would play it again. nice secluded area. only people i saw were the other disc golfers and some people using the paths that meander through the woods.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful.

 A tight course in Holland

1    6/26/2010   6/30/2010
Review By: Silverskunk
Played: 2  Reviewed: 2
1 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Course was clean. Each hole had a pad to tee off. Trees make for a tight course, but limited underbrush meant discs thrown off course could still be found. All but two holes bank to the right. This can be tough on golfers with a left draw. You don't need to have a strong arm for this course - just be accurate. Shade was nice - stayed relatively cool on a hot day.
Cons: Every hole was rated Par 3 - which for the average golfer was not very practical. The sheer number of trees made it virtually impossible to get the distance needed for a birdie shot. My partner regularly shoots under par, but the tight course and bends to the right left him frustrated playing mostly bogie golf. A few holes were hard to locate thru the trees. Could have used a map.
Other Thoughts: The course has potential. I would play it again, but my partner hated it. The holes need to re-rated so the average golfer has at least a shot at a birdie now and again.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful.

  Mmmmk

5+    6/8/2010   6/8/2010
Review By: treebanger
Played: 15  Reviewed: 1
1 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: All Holes have Pads. Excellent In the woods course With a lot of Technicality needed. Narrow fairways, Tree's and tight turns. Easily Played in the rain during the summer due to lots of Trees. :P. It is a very simple quick game 18 hole course. Hole 11 is my Fav.
Cons: The hole info on here is WRONG. It got changed up Due to People living in the area complaining of disc's ending up in there back yards. Hole is 9 is very short very straight and also very Narrow. 17 has a adjusted basket due too how short it is making the putt a little harder. I dont really find to many things wrong with any courses. I just love playing the game as a whole.
Other Thoughts: To the guy one the last Review.....Hole 5 pointless? Thats a good hole. Your freakin crazy.
On Hole 17. There is two secret tee off's besides the main. If you look back from main Tee off you will notice a little path going up a hill and onto a side walk thats # 2 Tee. Also After 16 if you need to hit the bathroom and get some water. You will notice looking next to the bathrooms there is a dirt patch between two trees that is # 3. Prolly one of my fav things with this course ive seen from others is it is not a specific Backhand or Forehand course It requires both as well as rollers, hawks and scoobies.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful.

 Ehh...

2-4    5/9/2010   5/10/2010
Review By: Jak3
Played: 5  Reviewed: 5
1 Helpful / 0 Not
Pros: Tee-pads are decent... bout it really

Cons: Poor basket placement, some baskets are super close to others. You can get lost easy. Theres one hole where you actually have to walk back up the fairway from which you just came. Fairway after fairway back and forth, some fairways only have like 10-15 feet between em so look out for discs bouncing off trees...

Theres like 3 or 4 holes that are almost identical, tree placements and all.

The park (im guessing) put these plastic cover things on some the trees in the fairways to i guess protect the trees from disc damage.. So look out for small trees that are twice the width they should be because of this.

Pretty busy, no smoking, no drinking. There was one sign that said no swearing like 3 times over and over... Full of retards the two rounds i played, kids throwing sticks at baskets, old clueless people throwing beach frisbees etc...

Hole 5 is pretty pointless....

o ya, theres one hole thats only 112 feet with zero obstacles... common now.

No holes over 300 feet.... maybe #18... maybe
Other Thoughts: Overall pretty stupid course, you can tell whoever designed knew nothing about disc golf... Maybe it was designed for beach frisbee throwers...

1 of 1 people found this review helpful.


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