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 SaROCaM 10-09-2020 10:28 PM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3642207) It doesn't happen overnight. Let me ask- what's the average timeframe for a person to get to 450 feet? Several years I'm betting at least, if they even get there, right?
The point is, right now you are a ~350' thrower. Your understanding and analysis when you watch people throwing is that of a 350' thrower. You are identifying and focusing on the things that a 350' thrower focuses on. This is true because (1) you are a 350' thrower and (2) those who are throwing 450'+ are not focusing on those things.

Getting to 450'* takes time, it is true. But I wouldn't be surprised if during the time it takes you to get to 450' (if you get there) you end up with a different understanding of the throw than you currently have.

*Getting way ahead; gotta get to 400' first.

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3642215) It's a cool video. It's interesting to me that it appears his mechanics didnt really change that much over the years.
They change quite a bit; compare the 350' throws (especially around the 0:27 mark) to the 450' throw.

 RoDeO 10-09-2020 10:30 PM

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 Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3642211)
Interesting that in his next video he starts doing this sweep drill and his velocity drops 10 mph even though he says it felt good. That's what happens when you inhibit hip rotation.

 RoDeO 10-09-2020 10:45 PM

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 Originally Posted by SaROCaM (Post 3642221) The point is, right now you are a ~350' thrower. Your understanding and analysis when you watch people throwing is that of a 350' thrower. You are identifying and focusing on the things that a 350' thrower focuses on. This is true because (1) you are a 350' thrower and (2) those who are throwing 450'+ are not focusing on those things. Getting to 450'* takes time, it is true. But I wouldn't be surprised if during the time it takes you to get to 450' (if you get there) you end up with a different understanding of the throw than you currently have. *Getting way ahead; gotta get to 400' first. They change quite a bit; compare the 350' throws (especially around the 0:27 mark) to the 450' throw.
He basically just gets faster and more efficient. You can tell it's the same guy throwing from beginning to end.

I probably will get a different understanding. In my mind I see myself as a 400 foot thrower right now if I can get all the pieces put together. I've thrown over 370 several times and know it's in there when I get everything just right. At this point it's repetition and building muscle memory to be consistant. This past few weeks I've had to start learning the hyzer flip because my discs I have were turning and I havent bought new discs. Plus, learning to hyzer flip is a must have anyway. I have this light flippy Jade disc and I am just learning to get it to hyzer flip and then s curve out to about 330 feet. For me that's great distance for that technique right now. I'm just learning also that straight laser shots aren't really going to go 400 feet and that I must employ angles and different release planes to get out farther. I am getting to where I can throw a hyzer shot to 300 feet now and have it hyzer the whole way.

Where Im at now compared to 3 months ago when I first started LHBH is pretty much the same mechanics I feel, just quicker now. The big change is understanding how the numbers on the disc are and why that's important. When I started I just threw everything on a flat release. Now I use different angles depending on my desire and the disc Im using. When I practice max distance it's my fastest disc on an anhyzer line. Right now though I have fallen in love with the hyzer flip even though I can't get it to go as far as an anhyzer line with a faster disc.

 sidewinder22 10-10-2020 12:05 AM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3642169) Sidewinder sure decided to throw a jab out there. I can jab back. It's childish but I can lower to others level too.
R u SeRiOuS bRo? You have been jabbing at pretty much everyone trying to help you since you been here.

 RoDeO 10-10-2020 02:16 AM

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 Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3642235) R u SeRiOuS bRo? You have been jabbing at pretty much everyone trying to help you since you been here.
I think we could all learn new things. Insults aren't productive. I think there's a lot of good advice in your drills. I don't agree with all of them but oh well. There is more than one path to throwing well. There can be more than one philosophy and it may be more effective.

 Frisbee-Hanski 10-10-2020 05:49 AM

 sidewinder22 10-10-2020 07:36 AM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3642242) I think we could all learn new things. Insults aren't productive. I think there's a lot of good advice in your drills. I don't agree with all of them but oh well. There is more than one path to throwing well. There can be more than one philosophy and it may be more effective.
I agree and I've been down your philosophical rodeo before and it lead to the horns of the bull.

You really need to look yourself in the mirror...
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3608768) I've always found it humorous when one guy who's not as good, doesn't throw as far, etc, critiques someone who is better.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3613790) I'm pretty sure that the guy is rounding a bit. [referring to DGA Instructor]
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3615742) You fit the classic profile of those who say "you shouldn't throw that disc until you can throw your putter 300 feet". Whatever. Who cares what discs I have and how far I can or I can't throw them. The Mamba happens to work well for me as a beginner. It is a "beginner" disc you know. I threw it last night for 360 feet but you will probably just say "you must of been all arming it". I watch a lot of videos and watch a lot of drills. I've learned a lot from them. But then there's these ones where a gut looks like he's imitating an elephant trunk with his arm and throwing it in a long sweeping arc and I just know that's bad teaching. I understand the whole concept of feeling the weight shift but the arm motion needs to be different.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3615723) I'm not going to go and do windmill drills and throw looking like a clock. And I think it's bad teaching to instruct others to do such.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3631941) Well, if you are off balance like that guy then yeah. [Referring to David Wiggins Jr]
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640051) Horrible tip video. Not much I can say. We're not bowling folks. [Referring to Feldberg]
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3640871) Yeah, it's strong arming. Your shoulders are ahead of your hips in rotation. Strongarming at its finest. [Referring to RandyC]
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3617124) You guys aren't any help. Thanks.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3631656) I have a theory with distance progression in disc golf in which most distance comes with time after the right muscle groups are built and trained to fire rapidly. My son videoed me the first week I started and surprisingly, my mechanics look almost identical now as back then. I don't really worry about all these technical points of throwing because I'm of the belief that you just keep trying and your body and mind adjust and work to correct and move more efficiently and more powerfully.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3612384) I suffer from the same problem as you with the brace foot position. My son pointed this out to me. Your plant foot is landing open and your hips are already past engagement because of this to get power from your hips. It took me practicing my x step and concentrating on plantibg my brace foot correctly to keep from rushing my hips into rotation too early. Once I figured this out I added 50 feet to my drive almost overnight. I still land open on occasion and I can tell because I don't feel like I'm pulling and pivoting on an axis. It shouldn't feel like you are just swinging around fast but rather whipping your upper body and arm.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3635426) I have been working on keeping my back turned longer and slowing things down a bit in my runup. Also been working on keeping my arm looser until the power pocket. I don't worry about how my front foot is landing or when my hip is turning. I wonder how guys like Jarvis learned to throw. By today's teaching standards his mechanics would be garbage. And yet, he can throw farther than almost any person in here. So, I font put much stock in when and how much hip rotation one has into foot plant. Some have a lot and others have very little and it doesn't appear it makes much difference distance wise.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3637108) I do this little drill where I will just go halfway and stop around the point where I bring the disc into my abdomen/chest area.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3615780) I guess if it works for some that's fine. I would never teach the arm motion portion with the disc though. I coached baseball for quite a few years and never liked all the dorky drills where they make motions and pauses, etc, that aren't natural to the specific motion in live speed. I've seen way too many kinks in kids pitching and batting deliveries over the years because of these drills they were taught in their youth. I learned pretty quickly thst your muscles really do memorize motions and incorporate them without you thinking about it. If you do it enough then your body thinks that's what you want to repeat and so it goes autopilot and repeats. Instead of dangling the arm or swinging it like a pendulum I would suggest that at least on the drive portion side that the arm is actually mimicking a real drive. The reach back can still be a pendulum swing to get that feeling with the weight transfer but once it's to the other side the body now needs to shift planes and think straight through in coming back to the other side.
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 RoDeO 10-10-2020 08:29 AM

Gee, didn't realize you were keeping a file of everything I say.

 RoDeO 10-10-2020 09:28 AM

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 Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3642259) I agree and I've been down your philosophical rodeo before and it lead to the horns of the bull. You really need to look yourself in the mirror... https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2020/EmLZRX.gif https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2020/2MVEPk.gif https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2020/w_OHo_.gif https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-10-2020/sojLt2.gif
Context is everything. And the context you are missing.

 SaROCaM 10-10-2020 01:44 PM

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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3608768) I've always found it humorous when one guy who's not as good, doesn't throw as far, etc critiques someone who is better.
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 Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3642227) In my mind I see myself as a 400 foot thrower right now if I can get all the pieces put together.
Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

It doesn't matter how far you see yourself throwing in your mind.

Throwing over 370 a few times doesn't make you a 400' thrower. It doesn't really even mean you are a 370' thrower.

That's like a pitcher saying they throw 90 mph, but in reality they touched 90 measured with a questionable radar gun rather than sitting 90 measured with something as accurate as a Stalker or Jugs.

Can the pitcher sit at 90 mph?

Can the thrower consistently throw 400'?

Can they actually do it, not just in their mind?

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