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smarkquart 08-07-2015 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bhadella (Post 2826296)
Good golly do I love my Pures. Every Opto I've ever held has moderate shoulder and flat tops. And anyone not throwing Zero Mediums for driving duties is missing out. I've relegated my GL to only shots that needs to power through some cabbage or skid.

Of all the Pures I had or still have, the Gold Line feels the best in the hand. I feel more comfortable driving, approaching, and putting with it than any other plastic because of how it blends into my hand. Unfortunately they are still on the expensive side and I do not want to totally beat up the ones I have, so I reserve them for tournament, league, and serious practice rounds. Otherwise I just stick with my Optos since I have plenty of those. The Recycled feels a little off in my hand, but I am working with them because I want to use them for putting. They still have better loft than Mediums or Optos, again prefering to use them so I can save the wear and tear on the GLs.

eric40817 08-07-2015 11:33 AM

Im going to have to try some Pures out. Lately I've been driving with Ions Shields and Judges, or KC Aviars. In my main bag I settled on Ions (because my Wizards are black and Ill lose them) and Shields. I stopped driving with my Judge as I only have 1 (Classic Blend), and I prefer stiffer putters for driving - the classic blend would get too chewed up too quick. The Pure though, seems to get more love as a driving putter than any of the ones I mentioned

PMantle 08-07-2015 11:36 AM

It's the only disc I can think of that I think everyone should own.

DG_Before_Breakfast 08-07-2015 12:49 PM

Love Pures <3 !!!

Got a new Opto Pure in use again. Just a great Disc, flies so straight, and glides forever for a putter. Then I'm approaching with an older Black Soft Zeroline Pure and Putting with a Medium Zeroline Pure. Half my shots are with a Pure most rounds ;) I feel like if the shot is bad, it wasn't the disc's fault.

DG_Before_Breakfast 08-07-2015 12:49 PM

Duplicate post sry. Did I mention Pure's are awesome?

eric40817 08-07-2015 12:53 PM

Is the Pure comparable at all to a Shield? The numbers are the same, but we know how the number game goes...

Snaques 08-07-2015 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by eric40817 (Post 2826582)
Is the Pure comparable at all to a Shield? The numbers are the same, but we know how the number game goes...

Couldn't be further apart, imo.

Shield is: Glideless, Overstable, Slow, loves power, doesn't mind wind, deep rimmed

Pure is: Glidey, Straight to understable, pretty fast for a putter, requires pretty smooth form but will take some power as well, will flip in wind, shallow rimmed

My numbers for these two would be:
Pure 3/4/-1/1
Shield 2/2/0/2

Both are nice discs tho. :thmbup:

Snap-it 08-07-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 2826225)
:D

Never threw one. Didn't hear good things. Bounce out of the chains for putting and broke down too quick for driving.

But, now I am intrigued. What did you like about it? Maybe I'll have to track one down and give it a whirl.

Mike, I meant to say tackier Star or ESP, not "chalky" in my previous reply. I think it's going to be very hard to find Gripline, too many years removed.

eric40817 08-07-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Snaques (Post 2826598)
Couldn't be further apart, imo.

Shield is: Glideless, Overstable, Slow, loves power, doesn't mind wind

Pure is: Glidey, Straight to understable, pretty fast for a putter, requires pretty smooth form but will take some power as well, will flip in wind

My numbers for these two would be:
Pure 3/4/-1/1
Shield 2/2/0/2

Both are nice discs tho. :thmbup:


Jesus Christmas its a good thing I asked. Pure/Shield for my driving putters!

Snap-it 08-07-2015 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by smarkquart (Post 2826447)
Of all the Pures I had or still have, the Gold Line feels the best in the hand. I feel more comfortable driving, approaching, and putting with it than any other plastic because of how it blends into my hand. Unfortunately they are still on the expensive side and I do not want to totally beat up the ones I have, so I reserve them for tournament, league, and serious practice rounds. Otherwise I just stick with my Optos since I have plenty of those. The Recycled feels a little off in my hand, but I am working with them because I want to use them for putting. They still have better loft than Mediums or Optos, again prefering to use them so I can save the wear and tear on the GLs.

Recycled look nice anyway. I think if I can find a Pure that lands on top of my Proxy, it might kick the Proxy out. :D

Kodachrome 08-07-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tbird888 (Post 2826442)
Have you thrown the Proxy? Never thought I would bench my beloved Optos, but I did for them.

Nope. Soft proton anode is my mvp putter driver of choice. Love it.

SD86 08-07-2015 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eric40817 (Post 2826478)
I stopped driving with my Judge as I only have 1 (Classic Blend), and I prefer stiffer putters for driving - the classic blend would get too chewed up too quick

I solved this problem by getting a Lucid Judge for upshots and reserving the Classic Blend Judge for inside-the-circle putting. Working well so far.

tbird888 08-07-2015 02:14 PM

I only ask because they're just as fast as Pures with less fade out of the box. Despite that, they're also better in the wind than my Opto Pures ever were. I was hoping someone with more power, and who throws/threw some similar molds to me, could confirm my findings.

DG_Before_Breakfast 08-07-2015 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Snaques (Post 2826598)
Couldn't be further apart, imo.

Shield is: Glideless, Overstable, Slow, loves power, doesn't mind wind, deep rimmed

Pure is: Glidey, Straight to understable, pretty fast for a putter, requires pretty smooth form but will take some power as well, will flip in wind, shallow rimmed

My numbers for these two would be:
Pure 3/4/-1/1
Shield 2/2/0/2

Both are nice discs tho. :thmbup:

Maybe I should try that shield, cuz in the wind I do struggle sometimes with the Pure, or I pull out my Zone, and then I struggle with its stablity.

Snap-it 08-07-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DG_Before_Breakfast (Post 2826697)
Maybe I should try that shield, cuz in the wind I do struggle sometimes with the Pure, or I pull out my Zone, and then I struggle with its stablity.

This actually happens with the best throwing putter ever? ;)

tbird888 08-07-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DG_Before_Breakfast (Post 2826697)
Maybe I should try that shield, cuz in the wind I do struggle sometimes with the Pure, or I pull out my Zone, and then I struggle with its stablity.

I've said it a lot today (and have been saying it for a while before today), but PROXY

DG_Before_Breakfast 08-07-2015 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Snap-it (Post 2826705)
This actually happens with the best throwing putter ever? ;)

Well, I don't play much in the wind, so I guess it is the best non-wind throwing putter ;)

But I don't really claim it is the best either, just the one that I happened to like the best. To me the putter is just a really personal thing. I tried about 12 before I settled on the Pure, and I don't want to fiddle with different ones too much again.

MikeM 08-07-2015 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Snap-it (Post 2826600)
Mike, I meant to say tackier Star or ESP, not "chalky" in my previous reply. I think it's going to be very hard to find Gripline, too many years removed.

Darn, yeah, probably hard and expensive to get ahold of. Oh well. With what you and Aim said, it sounds like I'd get use out of one.

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Originally Posted by DG_Before_Breakfast (Post 2826697)
Maybe I should try that shield, cuz in the wind I do struggle sometimes with the Pure, or I pull out my Zone, and then I struggle with its stablity.

Exaclty, perfect for calm and tailwind conditions. Even right to left wind (RHBH). But headwind and left to right wind throws me off and this is a part of my game I have been working on lately. At the moment, I use a Buzzz OS for such conditions (if the wind is strong enough) but I am not 100% sold. It's stupid stability does the trick but I don't have enough practice with it and for putting close range I may need to find a very stable putter. I was almost thinking about trying a high speed driver for headwind putts, I was thinking the less wind resistance, the better, and I could just play the fade. But more likely, I'll look into a OS putter. Midwest conditions can be a pain.

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Originally Posted by Snap-it (Post 2826705)
This actually happens with the best throwing putter ever? ;)


Snap-it 08-07-2015 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 2826929)
Darn, yeah, probably hard and expensive to get ahold of. Oh well. With what you and Aim said, it sounds like I'd get use out of one.



Exaclty, perfect for calm and tailwind conditions. Even right to left wind (RHBH). But headwind and left to right wind throws me off and this is a part of my game I have been working on lately. At the moment, I use a Buzzz OS for such conditions (if the wind is strong enough) but I am not 100% sold. It's stupid stability does the trick but I don't have enough practice with it and for putting close range I may need to find a very stable putter. I was almost thinking about trying a high speed driver for headwind putts, I was thinking the less wind resistance, the better, and I could just play the fade. But more likely, I'll look into a OS putter. Midwest conditions can be a pain.




LOL, you're killing me!

If I went back to the Pure, it would probably be Zero hard, even though I haven't thrown one in that plastic. I did have some old Zero's though, before they started making them in hard, medium, and soft. The Opto is just a little too fat for me, like any putter in champion type plastic.

Most people are probably throwing the Opto Pure for more stability over the Zero, but then they deny the fade?

Prodigium 08-08-2015 04:45 AM

I prefer some dome on my opto Pures (seems to add stability and glide) but I do have a beat flat one for late turn. I pretty much tee off with them on every hole under 300' unless there's headwind or need for a fade(then it's Shield/JOKERi). I'm putting with mediums since can't get any more old zerolines in finland.

Snap-it 08-08-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Prodigium (Post 2827177)
I prefer some dome on my opto Pures (seems to add stability and glide) but I do have a beat flat one for late turn. I pretty much tee off with them on every hole under 300' unless there's headwind or need for a fade(then it's Shield/JOKERi). I'm putting with mediums since can't get any more old zerolines in finland.

I was assured by a couple others here that Opto Pure's do NOT have any dome, even though I was looking at my 2 moderately domey ones while reading that, lol.

Kodachrome 08-08-2015 11:40 AM

perhaps i should have qualified my statement. in the years i have spent looking at/throwing opto pures from various retailers here in MN and ordering them online from across the country, i have never seen one with dome. sounds like you guys have some freaks. sucks to be you.

every RGL pure i've seen, however, has been a shouldered domey piece of garbage.

it's been my experience that the pure is actually the most consistently molded lat 64 disc outside of the spike and sinus, of course taking into consideration the normal variations that occur across plastics.

Snap-it 08-08-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodachrome (Post 2827293)
perhaps i should have qualified my statement. in the years i have spent looking at/throwing opto pures from various retailers here in MN and ordering them online from across the country, i have never seen one with dome. sounds like you guys have some freaks. sucks to be you.

every RGL pure i've seen, however, has been a shouldered domey piece of garbage.

It's not much, but it's there. Perhaps you don't want to see it?

Kodachrome 08-08-2015 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Snap-it (Post 2827294)
It's not much, but it's there. Perhaps you don't want to see it?

i'm seriously nitpicky about my setup and how i choose my discs even though i haven't the talent to justify it. i wouldn't hesitate to go and buy any opto pure from any store including online stores, which i have largely sworn off as a primarily innova/discmania/millennium thrower, knowing that it will be flat (within reason) across the top or, if it does have a "dome," then it's unnoticeable to my hand/eye except with an upside-down visual inspection on a table top which, of course, reveals nearly all discs to have some sort of rise from the shoulder.

i'm good - there's really nothing worth seeing. you got a bad disc, so i guess it's a good thing you like the proxy. i'll be buying one today; tbird's got me piqued although i probably won't bag it. i may as well toss an opto pure again with it, maybe post up a vid with results. sounds like i've got a weekend project. :)

Snap-it 08-08-2015 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodachrome (Post 2827293)
perhaps i should have qualified my statement. in the years i have spent looking at/throwing opto pures from various retailers here in MN and ordering them online from across the country, i have never seen one with dome. sounds like you guys have some freaks. sucks to be you.

every RGL pure i've seen, however, has been a shouldered domey piece of garbage.

it's been my experience that the pure is actually the most consistently molded lat 64 disc outside of the spike and sinus, of course taking into consideration the normal variations that occur across plastics.

BTW, I have 3 Flx Challengers and 2 Evo Magics, all are high shoulder and a little taller than their base counterparts, but they're flat-topped with NO dome. The Challengers are actually slightly puddle-topped. I won't bag putters with dome.

Snap-it 08-08-2015 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodachrome (Post 2827302)
i'm seriously nitpicky about my setup and how i choose my discs even though i haven't the talent to justify it. i wouldn't hesitate to go and buy any opto pure from any store including online stores, which i have largely sworn off as a primarily innova/discmania/millennium thrower, knowing that it will be flat (within reason) across the top or, if it does have a "dome," then it's unnoticeable to my hand/eye except with an upside-down visual inspection on a table top which, of course, reveals nearly all discs to have some sort of rise from the shoulder.

i'm good - there's really nothing worth seeing. you got a bad disc, so i guess it's a good thing you like the proxy. i'll be buying one today; tbird's got me piqued although i probably won't bag it.

Well, I got 2 "bad discs", and my brother got one too. That's 3 for 3. Then there's the other poster who just said "he prefers some dome on his Opto Pures..."

Wait until you throw the Proxy...famous last words. :)

tbird888 08-08-2015 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Snap-it (Post 2827308)
Wait until you throw the Proxy...famous last words. :)

:hfive:

Kodachrome 08-08-2015 01:13 PM

mmm, but the thing is i'm not going to sub one disc in for another when the original does its job very well. if anything i'd just boot the polecats and let my seasoned kc aviars do all the work. i don't bag the pure anymore. :p this is for research purposes only.

Streets 08-08-2015 01:18 PM

Stay true Koda, #Friendsdon'tletfriendsthrowGYRO

tbird888 08-08-2015 01:21 PM

#throwone

koda, they're too fast to replace Polecats.

Snap-it 08-08-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodachrome (Post 2827354)
mmm, but the thing is i'm not going to sub one disc in for another when the original does its job very well. if anything i'd just boot the polecats and let my seasoned kc aviars do all the work. i don't bag the pure anymore. :p this is for research purposes only.

The Proxy's gonna take over...

sloppydisc 08-08-2015 04:29 PM

I just threw a Proxy for a few rounds. My Pures are definitely in trouble.

tbird888 08-08-2015 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 2827356)
Stay true Koda, #Friendsdon'tletfriendsthrowGYRO

You were saying? ;)
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Originally Posted by sloppydisc (Post 2827478)
I just threw a Proxy for a few rounds. My Pures are definitely in trouble.


mattc 08-08-2015 09:06 PM

stop it, stop it, stop it
i have way too many opto pures to be hearing this crap.
(however, i do have 2 envies that pair up nicely0

Aim For The Chains 08-08-2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sloppydisc (Post 2827478)
I just threw a Proxy for a few rounds. My Pures are definitely in trouble.

ive thrown the proxy for maybe 6 months.. and have 1 ace with it on a stupid straight shot.

I threw the pure for nearly 2 years and had some great runs but the proxy is making my ions feel a little sad on the tee at times and I cant event believe myself that I would bag another driver putter.

Kodachrome 08-08-2015 09:31 PM

proxy is definitely a straight shooting disc, but it can't replace my polecats - and if it can't do that, then it has no place in my bag because of how well the polecat and comet work together across such a vast power spectrum and across plastics. it's definitely a good disc though, but i'd still prefer the pure because i can bag it in opto and in zero for different shots/power levels. if i had to choose one, it'd be the proxy . . . but i don't. ;) it doesn't feel as good in my hand either.

oh, i saw my first pure with dome today. go figure. it wasn't bad by any means, but it was definitely noticeable without a table top test. all the rest were of flat/borderline puddle top variety.

Snap-it 08-08-2015 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodachrome (Post 2827636)
proxy is definitely a straight shooting disc, but it can't replace my polecats - and if it can't do that, then it has no place in my bag because of how well the polecat and comet work together across such a vast power spectrum and across plastics. it's definitely a good disc though, but i'd still prefer the pure because i can bag it in opto and in zero for different shots/power levels. if i had to choose one, it'd be the proxy . . . but i don't. ;) it doesn't feel as good in my hand either.

oh, i saw my first pure with dome today. go figure. it wasn't bad by any means, but it was definitely noticeable without a table top test. all the rest were of flat/borderline puddle top variety.

You're kidding, right?

Yeah, but they're still fatties. :p

Kodachrome 08-08-2015 09:36 PM

i'm gonna post up in the proxy thread instead of continuing to hijack this one.

MikeM 08-08-2015 10:41 PM

Well, it happened, I made the decision to throw a Pure into a headwind with a pond on my right. Why didn't I just reach for the Buzzz OS? I do not know. Oh pink opto pure, how I will miss thee.

I then made the idiotic decision to go in after it. Long story short, the pond was gross, I did not find the Pure, and, if I could do it all over again, I would have just gone to discgolfcenter and purchased another Pure. But I didn't want to be Optoless for the rest of the weekend. I lean very heavily on my Opto Pure for all short drives and approach.

Ah well, such is disc golf life...

anrew18 08-09-2015 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeM (Post 2827704)
Well, it happened, I made the decision to throw a Pure into a headwind with a pond on my right. Why didn't I just reach for the Buzzz OS? I do not know. Oh pink opto pure, how I will miss thee.

I then made the idiotic decision to go in after it. Long story short, the pond was gross, I did not find the Pure, and, if I could do it all over again, I would have just gone to discgolfcenter and purchased another Pure. But I didn't want to be Optoless for the rest of the weekend. I lean very heavily on my Opto Pure for all short drives and approach.

Ah well, such is disc golf life...

I'd have gone in too man.


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