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seedlings 10-13-2020 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3643573)

Edit: notice the plant. With bent knee. Then hips and pull.

sidewinder22 10-13-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3643610)
I ask because you always seem to be critical of my distance in giving advice. I've been throwing LHBH 3 and 1/2 months. I think my distance now is at least on par with others who learn the right way.

According yourself, your baseball background made that transition natural for you, so maybe you have been able to skip a step in learning the right way?

Learning BH was anything but natural for me. FH on the other hand was totally natural for me.

RoDeO 10-13-2020 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3643623)
According yourself, your baseball background made that transition natural for you, so maybe you have been able to skip a step in learning the right way?

Learning BH was anything but natural for me. FH on the other hand was totally natural for me.

Injuring my right arm was the best blessing. It allowed me to start over and fast track. It allowed me to feel the difference between strongarming and thinking I wasnt right handed to playing left handed and whipping it through naturally from the beginning.

I think my advancement in distance for how long I have been playing is above average because I understand the true difference of strongarming and whipping the arm. If I was still playing RHBH I know I wouldn't be throwing as far or easy because it's hard to go from strongarming to not with the same arm. I have attempted to relearn RHBH now that my arm is all healed up but I can't stop trying to strong arm it. The dominant arm just wants to muscle the disc. I see this same problem with lots of others on these forums, even some who have been playing for over 5 years and can't figure out how to get more distance.

RoDeO 10-13-2020 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3643619)
Edit: notice the plant. With bent knee. Then hips and pull.

Hips actually start to turn (that "twitch") right before strong brace.

RandyC 10-14-2020 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MiketheGoalie (Post 3643581)
So then what is strongarming?

I would define strongarming a throw where your shoulders do not turn or you fake your turn by going backwards.

sidewinder22 10-14-2020 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3643570)
Just made a GIF of Paul Omans drive. I think it perfectly does showcase the correct kinetic motion sequence.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-13-2020/JmuDU2.gif

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Originally Posted by RoDeO (Post 3643573)

I wouldn't call it perfect, he's making a longer slower linear move off the rear leg/heel(not engaging the calf/ankle/foot into the kinetic chain) and dragging into super wide stance which slows rotation down. He is so tall and lanky which gives him natural mechanical leverage that he can throw really far with not the most efficient mechanics. At least he isn't squishing the bug. Note how he pushes his CoG upward(fighting gravity) going into the plant and the shoulders start tipping over the hips.

Avery on the other hand makes a much quicker compacter lateral pressure shift dropping lower into narrower upright stance which speeds up rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQjrxfIm_Q&t=5m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvvF6eW-by8#t=1m23s

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...1&d=1602652172

Discette 10-14-2020 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3643700)



I notice he also has a knee brace. Which could be a result of throwing like this.

RoDeO 10-14-2020 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder22 (Post 3643700)
I wouldn't call it perfect, he's making a longer slower linear move off the rear leg/heel(not engaging the calf/ankle/foot into the kinetic chain) and dragging into super wide stance which slows rotation down. He is so tall and lanky which gives him natural mechanical leverage that he can throw really far with not the most efficient mechanics. At least he isn't squishing the bug. Note how he pushes his CoG upward(fighting gravity) going into the plant and the shoulders start tipping over the hips.

Avery on the other hand makes a much quicker compacter lateral pressure shift dropping lower into narrower upright stance which speeds up rotation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIQjrxfIm_Q&t=5m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvvF6eW-by8#t=1m23s

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...1&d=1602652172

Just curious, how far do you throw? Can you dial up 500+ feet on demand whenever you need it?

RoDeO 10-14-2020 03:12 PM

Strongarming, quite simply, is when it feels like the arm is doing all the work. If one doesn't feel like they are using their hips and torso to throw the disc, it's highly probable they are strongarming it. You can definitely tell when you aren't strongarming because you can feel the power in your hips and torso propelling the disc.

Timoteo 10-14-2020 05:16 PM

Just my take but I think the “correct” way to throw is going to feel a lot different to different players since we all have different muscle memory. I know when I first started I kept hearing that power comes from the hips. So I did what most non-athletic people do when I hear that: I turned my hips as hard as I could with no balance, without maintaining posture, without maintaining any depth in the hips, all while leaving the arm behind and early releasing everything into oblivion. I developed a muscle memory for firing my hips too early and too quickly. It wasn’t until I started focusing on having fast hands or, as Tiger put it, letting my hands “win the race” that I started throwing more powerfully/accurately. It’s not that my hands actually fire first, but that’s what it feels like, or felt like when I first made the change.


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