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NuNinja 08-06-2014 06:30 AM

Thunderbird
 
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The Thunderbird disc from Innova Discs was PDGA Approved as of 8-5-2014.

"The Thunderbird comes from strong bloodlines. The stability of a TeeBird with the speed of a Valkyrie; it could be best described as a seasoned Firebird, but with less fade. The Thunderbird is still predictable in the wind and a great choice for your new favorite long-range placement driver. Flight ratings: 9/5/0/2" - by Innova Discs
http://www.pdga.com/announcements/cl...drives-fairway

Isn't that basically the FL? Maybe it had more glide? :confused:

Flick Maniac 08-06-2014 07:03 AM

Longer Teebird, i.e. PD :D

dehaas 08-06-2014 07:36 AM

If the teebird3 is a faster teebird does this mean the Thunderbird is really a teebird4?

NuNinja 08-06-2014 07:42 AM

I seem to recall the 3 having less glide, so the 4 would really be an FL. :p :D

AndyJB 08-06-2014 07:54 AM

Someone with better knowledge than me can feel free to correct me, but I thought the Teebird was originally called the Thunderbird?

Innova doesn't really have any gaps in their lineup? So maybe now they are just getting bored and releasing whatever comes to mind.

Streets 08-06-2014 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyJB (Post 2536787)
Someone with better knowledge than me can feel free to correct me, but I thought the Teebird was originally called the Thunderbird?

Innova doesn't really have any gaps in their lineup? So maybe now they are just getting bored and releasing whatever comes to mind.

I'm pretty sure the disc was originally PDGA approved as the Thunderbird.

*Edit: Found it!

Also, there is quite a gap between a Viking and a Firebird.

NuNinja 08-06-2014 08:09 AM

I browsed that thread before I made this one. Search is a wonderful thing. :thmbup: :rolleyes:

oddjob 08-06-2014 09:14 AM

I'm holding out for the Thunderbird3.

DanJon 08-06-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 2536788)
I'm pretty sure the disc was originally PDGA approved as the Thunderbird.

*Edit: Found it!

Also, there is quite a gap between a Viking and a Firebird.


I will be trying this out for that exact gap.

jcassidy1990 08-06-2014 09:43 AM

Jolly Launcher Brinster Thunderbirds FTW

If these are flat like the T3, i could see this being another mega hit.

Rol6566 08-06-2014 09:48 AM

So pretty much an innova pd??

Pd3?

Jason B 08-06-2014 10:11 AM

Innova OLF or PD sounds about right. I hope they finally figure out a consistent mold.

bhadella 08-06-2014 10:17 AM

A slightly slower PD wouldn't be a bad thing. I've transitioned back into throwing Valkryie + Firebirds for this range of D. Can't say that I have a gap between my megabeat Star Firebird and Champ Valkryie but can see the potential audience for it.

AndyJB 08-06-2014 10:28 AM

Cool name. Sounds intriguing, but it does sound very similar to both the ORION LF and the PD. And since I already rock Orions, I don't see a need for it in the bag.

Am I going to try it out?

Of course.

curveball4 08-06-2014 10:37 AM

Starfire- 10/4/0/3
Firebird- 9/3/0/4
Thunderbird- 9/5/0/2
FL- 9/3/0/2
T3- 8/4/0/3

If this disc has a purpose I missed it

Rol6566 08-06-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by curveball4 (Post 2536911)
Starfire- 10/4/0/3
Firebird- 9/3/0/4
Thunderbird- 9/5/0/2
FL- 9/3/0/2
T3- 8/4/0/3

If this disc has a purpose I missed it

What's the pds numbers?? Can't be too far off

Questatement 08-06-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DanJon (Post 2536821)
I will be trying this out for that exact gap.

I've got 2 Valks and one Viking that I would classify as very near FL stable. A half beat Firebird is also about the same.

Innova hasn't had a gap for the average rec player in over 10 years.

Streets 08-06-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by curveball4 (Post 2536911)
Starfire- 10/4/0/3
Firebird- 9/3/0/4
Thunderbird- 9/5/0/2
FL- 9/3/0/2
T3- 8/4/0/3

If this disc has a purpose I missed it

It's supposed to cut through the air in an aerodynamic fashion towards a disc golf basket.

curveball4 08-06-2014 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Rol6566 (Post 2536912)
What's the pds numbers?? Can't be too far off

PD- 10/4/0/3

jrawk 08-06-2014 10:48 AM

I'll give it a try for sure. I hope they're Gstar... although i would prefer Gstar OLFs, this may scratch the itch.

zj1002 08-06-2014 10:49 AM

Valkyrie-X making a comeback?

Aim For The Chains 08-06-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by curveball4 (Post 2536911)
Starfire- 10/4/0/3
Firebird- 9/3/0/4
Thunderbird- 9/5/0/2
FL- 9/3/0/2
T3- 8/4/0/3

If this disc has a purpose I missed it

and that's forgetting the PD, TL3, SL, and Viking... people think there really is a huge gap in their current line up?

Should have had an overmold :| Then it would have been called a volt clone and we could have something to realllllllllly talk about :p

Stardoggy 08-06-2014 10:54 AM

Just another disc to give my Orcs a run for their money.

I'll give it a run...sounds like what an Escape claimed to be, but wasn't.

Rol6566 08-06-2014 10:59 AM

So they are a slightly slower pd.

jrawk 08-06-2014 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Rol6566 (Post 2536948)
So they are a slightly slower pd.

pd's are wide rim, but they are fairly blunt nose, which is why i prefer OLFs. It'll be fun to see a profile shot and check the wing sharpness.

Questatement 08-06-2014 11:04 AM

Let's see if Innova can even hit their targeted flight ratings via mass production.

I would much prefer they test every run and stamp the numbers accordingly. I'd have 20 less overlapping discs sitting in a box waiting to replace ones in my bag.

PMantle 08-06-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Questatement (Post 2536953)

I would much prefer they test every run and stamp the numbers accordingly.

If any company switched to this, I'd drop everything else and just throw theirs just to show support.

whentherainscome 08-06-2014 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jrawk (Post 2536952)
pd's are wide rim, but they are fairly blunt nose, which is why i prefer OLFs. It'll be fun to see a profile shot and check the wing sharpness.

Both are Firebird wings, no? I never noticed a difference.

whentherainscome 08-06-2014 11:25 AM

I'm curious if this guy is a frankenmold as well - new T3 flight plate + ????? rim.

jrawk 08-06-2014 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by whentherainscome (Post 2536966)
Both are Firebird wings, no? I never noticed a difference.

the bottom, yes... firebird wings. The tops however are very different. The Discmania anhyzer top is much different than a wraith top. It has a funny angle to it, which adds some bulk.

hugheshilton 08-06-2014 11:38 AM

I think the people looking for this to fill some sort of gap in Innova's lineup are looking at it the wrong way. Innova didn't make this to fill a gap; they did it to sell more discs. The Viking and FL may be very similar numbers to this, but they've never been super popular molds, whereas the TeeBird is. So if Innova can replace the Viking/FL with something that plays off the success of the TeeBird, they can probably sell tons. (I said "replace" but I don't think the Viking/FL will be discontinued unless demand for them completely dries up which it might.) I mean this isn't really all that different from what Discraft is doing with the Buzzz OS. They're making a new mold that significantly overlaps the Hornet/Drone for the sole purpose of capitalizing on their most successful disc, the Buzzz.

hugheshilton 08-06-2014 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jrawk (Post 2537013)
the bottom, yes... firebird wings. The tops however are very different. The Discmania anhyzer top is much different than a wraith top. It has a funny angle to it, which adds some bulk.

That Discmania anhyzer top is why I've never liked PD's. They just feel all wrong to me. I hope this Thunderbird doesn't have a PD top, although I don't really need another mold in my bag anyway so I shouldn't care.

Stardoggy 08-06-2014 11:46 AM

I do think this fills a gap. The FL is an odd duck. It feels weird in the hand, and has zero glide. I'm betting on this being a slightly blunter-nosed PD...which would be pretty nice.

Almost sounds like a Rival to me.

Questatement 08-06-2014 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PMantle (Post 2536963)
If any company switched to this, I'd drop everything else and just throw theirs just to show support.

I would gladly be one of their testers for speeds 10 on down as long as I could keep the test discs :thmbup:

Next time I see Dave at La Mirada I'm going to suggest it.

Streets 08-06-2014 11:51 AM

So anyone else releases a disc and it's awesome. Innova releases a disc and pitchforks come out. Ugh

PMantle 08-06-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Questatement (Post 2537033)

Next time I see Dave at La Mirada I'm going to suggest it.

:clap::thmbup:

7ontheline 08-06-2014 11:55 AM

The PDGA specs the Thunderbird to have the same width rim as firebird, olf, pd, and, valks at 1.9cm. The Starfire , Orc, and Escapes are 2.0cm rims.

Smart money is Innova PD.

NuNinja 08-06-2014 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 2537037)
So anyone else releases a disc and it's awesome. Innova releases a disc and pitchforks come out. Ugh

Everyone throws Innova and loves to hate them. :doh:

whentherainscome 08-06-2014 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrawk (Post 2537013)
the bottom, yes... firebird wings. The tops however are very different. The Discmania anhyzer top is much different than a wraith top. It has a funny angle to it, which adds some bulk.

I'll give ya that. It was weird moving from 1.1 and MOLFs to PDs due to the dome, but only at first. I could easily throw in a 1.2 QOLF with my PDs and be a-okay

Anyway, back to the Thunderbird. The proto is in champ, which is a good sign to me. I'm not down with the GStar.

Any guesses as to how many limited edition stamp/plastic combos we'll see before a production run?
Player pack CFR early release?
Factory store gstar special mini-stamp?
Protostar Champs, limit 25 per vendor?
Tour series swirly Starlite run?
Then, finally, a sweet art stamp ala the JL Teebird3's?

ian. 08-06-2014 12:07 PM

another another new mold that doesnt excite me in the least and i love speed 9-10 discs .. sounds like an Orc, FL, Viking, PD, Olf etc. .. but it will sell so yeah woo hoo innova :o :o :\


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