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hurricaine 05-12-2021 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3718547)
No particular comment to answer directly to but since many folks are growing antsy and frustrated with recent releases, let's chat. The Eagle signing session needed to be limited to a very specific number of discs. That's a very grueling task to sign that many discs and we need to make sure that Eagle isn't required to over-do it.

Kyle Klein ROTY Origin release is in similar volume to Triumph ones (300). These are agreed upon numbers and don't have the opportunity to change. Plus, it's a good opportunity to test the website and gather data from it.

We need to always strive to make sure our team members receive new discs to test out and give feedback as soon as possible. Hopefully non-team members or aspiring ones can understand that.

Actual releases are coming soon. Hang in there! Don't get too caught up on recent small, yet transparent limited releases. Soon enough you'll begin to see many items arriving in full force along with other special things to look forward to. Mutant, Logic, Tilt among the first to be released. Hopefully having plenty of Evolution stock products always accessible lately has been a nice change. This year will continue to get better little by little

just release god damn stock runs. thats all we care about

seedlings 05-12-2021 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hurricaine (Post 3718848)
just release god damn stock runs. thats all we care about

Experiment: first disc golf company to retire an entire line of in-demand molds.

Simon better get back on tour. Eagle better throw inbounds.

Jolt 05-12-2021 11:11 AM

Kind of strange that Discmanias top selling players Simon and Eagle basicly only bag disc you can´t buy

I couldn´t find a single disc from their bags in stock.

Looks like Discmania is pushing the Lat64 made disc hard. . but thier top pros dont throw them, strange

ray1970 05-12-2021 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3718856)
Looks like Discmania is pushing the Lat64 made disc hard. . but thier top pros dont throw them, strange

I get that their sponsored players kind of have a responsibility to hype the new discs but I have always found it amusing that they post videos saying how awesome a disc is but you never see them bagging it.

I seem to remember Simon throwing the Method in a video and saying how much he loved it but fairly certain you’ll see him still throwing his glow MD4’s out on the course. I believe Eagle was hyping up the Enigma in a video when it was released but he continues to bomb DD3’s.

Sadly, because of the spotty availability of the Innova made Discmania stuff I’m working my way towards weeding it out of my bag and just sticking to discs from companies that actually manufacture discs.

skizzle34 05-12-2021 11:52 AM

You guys have to remember that #1 they have plenty of back ups of the originals molds at their disposal and #2 they have been throwing those molds for many years. The new evolution molds are great but it is hard to beat some of the originals. I personally bag the enigma, tactic, logic, and tactic.

TLDR if it ain't broke don't fix it.

seedlings 05-12-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skizzle34 (Post 3718874)
You guys have to remember that #1 they have plenty of back ups of the originals molds at their disposal and #2 they have been throwing those molds for many years. The new evolution molds are great but it is hard to beat some of the originals. I personally bag the enigma, tactic, logic, and tactic.

TLDR if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Do you prefer the new molds over the originals? Or do you throw the new molds AND the originals?

Jolt 05-12-2021 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skizzle34 (Post 3718874)
You guys have to remember that #1 they have plenty of back ups of the originals molds at their disposal and #2 they have been throwing those molds for many years. The new evolution molds are great but it is hard to beat some of the originals. I personally bag the enigma, tactic, logic, and tactic.

TLDR if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Yes THEY have backups. . but a normal discgolfer can´t buy the originals.

Simons and Eagles jobs are in a way to sell discs. . .but if a young new player that really like Simon and wants to throw a few of the same discs he does just can´t.

I 100% understan WHY Simon likes his discs. . but from a marketing perspective i would be smart of him to bag a few molds that people could actually buy.


I had a stack of GLOW MD3 and MD4s in my bag today and got crazy bids for them. . Discgolf is strange at the moment

ezmorningrebel 05-12-2021 01:31 PM

I’ve got to imagine that innova makes more money on selling their own molds and is focusing they’re efforts there, rather than running Discmania molds which are less profitable for them.

fishballer06 05-12-2021 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3718901)
I 100% understan WHY Simon likes his discs. . but from a marketing perspective i would be smart of him to bag a few molds that people could actually buy.

You mean like how each of them have said they're throwing the Logic, Mutant, etc. even though they've barely even had a chance to test one out (and they've done it in years past with the Method, Instinct, etc)? That is their marketing and sales pitch right there.

Pro's throwing old runs that aren't available anymore isn't something exclusive to Discmania. Sexton is still throwing '15 Firebirds, Barsby is throwing Eagle's that are 12+ years old, etc. The list goes on and on and can be said for basically any brand.

wolfhaley 05-12-2021 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ezmorningrebel (Post 3718389)
Anyone know of viable flat topMD4 alternatives. Was thinking of trying an infinite ra?

I have a couple metal flake c-blends. I really like them. Beaded and board flat. Definitely more OS than a Roc3. Never thrown an MD4, so I can't really compare. The Ra is a nice disc though.

Rastnav 05-12-2021 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fishballer06 (Post 3718947)
You mean like how each of them have said they're throwing the Logic, Mutant, etc. even though they've barely even had a chance to test one out (and they've done it in years past with the Method, Instinct, etc)? That is their marketing and sales pitch right there.

Pro's throwing old runs that aren't available anymore isn't something exclusive to Discmania. Sexton is still throwing '15 Firebirds, Barsby is throwing Eagle's that are 12+ years old, etc. The list goes on and on and can be said for basically any brand.

Eagle frequently threw two new Discmania offerings, I believe they were the Splice and the Mutant, during the DDO. I wouldn’t be shocked if the Mutant was his first or second most used disc (outside of his putting putter).

skizzle34 05-13-2021 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3718888)
Do you prefer the new molds over the originals? Or do you throw the new molds AND the originals?

I enjoy both. The enigma fills a gap that the originals line never had. Same with the tactic and mutant. The logic is probably the best neutral putter off the tee I have ever thrown. I have thrown it a total of maybe 50 times and already feel like I can trust it to do ANYTHING. It would take a lot for me to unbag MD3s, FD3s, Cd2s, and PD2s.

skizzle34 05-13-2021 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3718901)
Yes THEY have backups. . but a normal discgolfer can´t buy the originals.

Simons and Eagles jobs are in a way to sell discs. . .but if a young new player that really like Simon and wants to throw a few of the same discs he does just can´t.

I 100% understan WHY Simon likes his discs. . but from a marketing perspective i would be smart of him to bag a few molds that people could actually buy.


I had a stack of GLOW MD3 and MD4s in my bag today and got crazy bids for them. . Discgolf is strange at the moment

Their real job is to play the best disc golf they can play. Leave it to the media team and lower ranking players to build hype around new molds. If Simon and Eagle were to switch to all new molds and their games declined then all the posts here would be asking why in the world they did that lets be real.

fishballer06 05-13-2021 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by skizzle34 (Post 3719199)
The logic is probably the best neutral putter off the tee I have ever thrown. I have thrown it a total of maybe 50 times and already feel like I can trust it to do ANYTHING.

That's how I feel about the Tiger Warrior/Sensei. It goes dead straight, no matter how much power I give it (or don't give it). I used to like the P1X for straight shots, but it did not handle power well if I wanted to throw it over 175'.

How does the Logic compare to the TW/Sensei in your opinion?

skizzle34 05-13-2021 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fishballer06 (Post 3719275)
That's how I feel about the Tiger Warrior/Sensei. It goes dead straight, no matter how much power I give it (or don't give it). I used to like the P1X for straight shots, but it did not handle power well if I wanted to throw it over 175'.

How does the Logic compare to the TW/Sensei in your opinion?

They are similar in flight but the logic feels much better in the hand. My TW got beat in pretty quick and became a little unpredictable. I feel like the logic will be more reliable.

Horsman 05-13-2021 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3718856)
Kind of strange that Discmanias top selling players Simon and Eagle basicly only bag disc you can´t buy

I couldn´t find a single disc from their bags in stock.

Looks like Discmania is pushing the Lat64 made disc hard. . but thier top pros dont throw them, strange

Its really not too strange in my eyes. For some its more about the feel of the plastic over what the disc flies like. I have stuck primarily with Innova and a little bit of discraft over the years because I like their plastic the most. The lat and yikun plastic is way to sticky and tacky across the board for all their plastics, so I could see others being like myself and staying away from them. The discs themselves arent bad, the plastic is. IMO

BillFleming 05-13-2021 06:40 PM

Players get really used to how a disc feels and flies...they want to stick with what they know works for them. I know he's not with Discmania, but Paul Ulibarri mentioned in a video how he has gone online and bought several discs of a certain run because he knows how they fly. Simon, Eagle, and others are the same way...you get comfortable with a disc and that's all you want to use for certain shots; then it becomes worthwhile to stick with that even if you have to pay the bucks to get one.

Discmania_Support 05-14-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hurricaine (Post 3718848)
just release god damn stock runs. thats all we care about

Just about every single Active and Evolution disc has been in stock online in full force for quite some time now. We're hopeful that Originals will begin to return again soon.

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3718856)
Kind of strange that Discmanias top selling players Simon and Eagle basicly only bag disc you can´t buy

I couldn´t find a single disc from their bags in stock.

Looks like Discmania is pushing the Lat64 made disc hard. . but thier top pros dont throw them, strange

The ones you are seeing have yet to be released and will be soon. Mutant is among the first, for example. This would be similar to people knowing about the new iPhone for the year well ahead of time so they get all the info needed and it's released later. :)

seedlings 05-14-2021 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3719651)
Just about every single Active and Evolution disc has been in stock online in full force for quite some time now. We're hopeful that Originals will begin to return again soon.



The ones you are seeing have yet to be released and will be soon. Mutant is among the first, for example. This would be similar to people knowing about the new iPhone for the year well ahead of time so they get all the info needed and it's released later. :)

Why only “hopeful”? Is there some luck involved? Litigation? I was thinking it should be an active business decision. “Hey Larry, take the Tactic and Essence off, and run the P2s and FDs this week.”

klodkrawler05 05-14-2021 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3719717)
Why only “hopeful”? Is there some luck involved? Litigation? I was thinking it should be an active business decision. “Hey Larry, take the Tactic and Essence off, and run the P2s and FDs this week.”

I'm not sure it plays out like that since Innova makes the p2's and FD's while Lat64 makes the tactics and essence.

If it's like pretty much every other industry on the planet right now it's probably more like "Hey Larry, I just got word from Innova that they're working on August 2020 orders now so those P2's and FD's we ordered should be arriving soon."

Heck the bike shop down the street has just started receiving the bikes to fulfil their customer orders from April 2020.

People have absolutely no grasp on production demands right now if they think any company in any industry is sitting around right now going "nah, lets not make those, we've got demand but forget it the demand to buy our product will go away if we wait long enough"

Lastchancer88 05-14-2021 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3719717)
Why only “hopeful”? Is there some luck involved? Litigation? I was thinking it should be an active business decision. “Hey Larry, take the Tactic and Essence off, and run the P2s and FDs this week.”

Your example is off because the tactic and essence are Lat64 produced. What they'd really be saying is "Hey Dave, I know you're making money and selling out all your own Innova molds right now, but stop making those and produce discs for Discmania at cost so we can make some money too."

seedlings 05-14-2021 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lastchancer88 (Post 3719745)
Your example is off because the tactic and essence are Lat64 produced. What they'd really be saying is "Hey Dave, I know you're making money and selling out all your own Innova molds right now, but stop making those and produce discs for Discmania at cost so we can make some money too."

Litigation is my guess.

Jolt 05-14-2021 02:36 PM

It´s strange that Innova have the time to make Infinite Discs but not Discmania

seedlings 05-14-2021 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3719788)
It´s strange that Innova have the time to make Infinite Discs but not Discmania

Nah. Latitude and Yikun aren’t also making Infinite’s discs. No hurt feels involved.

BillFleming 05-14-2021 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3719788)
It´s strange that Innova have the time to make Infinite Discs but not Discmania

Not really. Infinite Discs also sells Innova discs - the partnership is two-way. Discmania doesn't sell Innova discs - the partnership is one-way.

(Okay, I'm not counting money in the partnership as Discmania pays Innova to make the discs, so it is a two-way partnership that way).

ChrisWoj 05-17-2021 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by skizzle34 (Post 3715698)
Got my logic and Mutant yesterday and got a quick couple throws in with them in the rain. The logic feels great in the hand. Slightly lower profile (think beadless link) and is laser straight out of the box with a tiny bit of stability at the end of the flight. Had one good pull on it flip up off a small hyzer. I was throwing into a 5-10 MPH headwind and it held up to it with no issue. I would call it .5 less stable than a P2 when fresh maybe .75 less. The mutant is one of the more unique hand feeling discs I have held. It has a bead on the bottom and a tiny thumb track on the top with a board flat flight plate. It feels like it was designed to fit a forehand grip like a glove. That thing is an absolute tank. Very little glide and tons of fade. I ripped it over wayyy too hard on an anny one time and it fought out the whole way. This is a disc that most people will have trouble getting over 250-280' on flat ground. Overall I know these two will be very popular discs. Check out the collectors page on facebook to see my one shot reviews and profile pictures!

Hey Skyler - Can you post the profile pic for the Mutant here? Heard it described on the live broadcast yesterday as having no rounded surfaces. Really curious what that looks like, and the PDGA approved discs page doesn't have the profile picture.

skizzle34 05-17-2021 02:39 PM

https://ibb.co/PW1PyHh

Apparently I have forgotten how to upload images

skizzle34 05-17-2021 02:50 PM

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...ictureid=39376

DanJon 05-17-2021 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3719788)
It´s strange that Innova have the time to make Infinite Discs but not Discmania


Talking with people who have inside knowledge, Infinite apparently put their order in on time.

Discmania_Support 05-19-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by klodkrawler05 (Post 3719743)
I'm not sure it plays out like that since Innova makes the p2's and FD's while Lat64 makes the tactics and essence.

If it's like pretty much every other industry on the planet right now it's probably more like "Hey Larry, I just got word from Innova that they're working on August 2020 orders now so those P2's and FD's we ordered should be arriving soon."

Heck the bike shop down the street has just started receiving the bikes to fulfil their customer orders from April 2020.

People have absolutely no grasp on production demands right now if they think any company in any industry is sitting around right now going "nah, lets not make those, we've got demand but forget it the demand to buy our product will go away if we wait long enough"

This is very accurate. Every product in the world is in high demand. It just feels closer to the heart for it to also include golf discs. The world will be in good order some day but every industry right now is experiencing plenty of hurdles to overcome, regardless of the products they create or sell.

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3719717)
Why only “hopeful”? Is there some luck involved? Litigation? I was thinking it should be an active business decision. “Hey Larry, take the Tactic and Essence off, and run the P2s and FDs this week.”

Tough questions for sure. The best answer we can give is that we'll release the most accurate information to give as soon as we have it. Getting Originals back in stock has and always be a top priority

wims 05-20-2021 12:10 PM

With Discmania's inability to produce Originals I decided to drop the P2 and the FD. I'm now a KC Aviar + Leopard3 man

HyliaN 05-28-2021 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3721661)
With Discmania's inability to produce Originals I decided to drop the P2 and the FD. I'm now a KC Aviar + Leopard3 man

Infinite Alpaca, Millenium Omega4 & Innova Firefly = P2. Infinite Centurion = FD

wolfhaley 05-30-2021 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by HyliaN (Post 3723986)
Infinite Alpaca, Millenium Omega4 & Innova Firefly = P2. Infinite Centurion = FD

The Centurion and FD are absolutely not the same thing. Can't speak on the putters.

ray1970 05-30-2021 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfhaley (Post 3724112)
The Centurion and FD are absolutely not the same thing. Can't speak on the putters.


Agree. The Centurion is pretty much a Leopard 3. Similar ish but definitely not an FD.

I’ve made the switch to cosmic neutron Craves and they give me a very similar flight to my beloved FD’s and I can find them everywhere. They might actually be a tick less high speed stable but they’re close enough.

HyliaN 05-30-2021 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfhaley (Post 3724112)
The Centurion and FD are absolutely not the same thing. Can't speak on the putters.

I wasn't saying they were the EXACT same. I was giving him alternatives to try. The putters are very similar and probably the same mold pieces. Innova wanted Sexton to switch off of P2's so they made him the Firefly. I've held all 3 putters and they are nearly identical.

seedlings 05-31-2021 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by HyliaN (Post 3724155)
I wasn't saying they were the EXACT same. I was giving him alternatives to try. The putters are very similar and probably the same mold pieces. Innova wanted Sexton to switch off of P2's so they made him the Firefly. I've held all 3 putters and they are nearly identical.

An Aviar, Warden and P2 are all nearly interchangeable. P2 is the smallest amount taller. Even the shoulders and wings.

wims 05-31-2021 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HyliaN (Post 3723986)
Infinite Alpaca, Millenium Omega4 & Innova Firefly = P2. Infinite Centurion = FD

I dropped virtual manufacturers, I don't want to find myself in the situation where critical parts of my bag is no available in the stores. That's why I went full Innova and only classic molds. It's not like Innova is going to discontinue the KC Aviar or the Leopard. No fab, no business

sandelius 06-01-2021 06:13 AM

I throw molds that are sold in grocery stores here in Finland. No more special or limited run stuff for me.

-> I'm happy for new Evolution line discs because I can actually buy them.

Flick Maniac 06-01-2021 12:16 PM

Lol. Sounds like they are right next to the sausages or something. :D Theyre more like hypermarkets really, so you have clothes, bikes, appliances etc whatever in there. But some of them have really good selection of discs too.

Moose33 06-03-2021 06:39 PM

Anyone tossing the Enigma around at all? Went to a shop I really like to support the few times per year I’d get to this area and they had a couple of Enigmas and just about only Champ Destroyers and domey AF Firebirds otherwise so I grabbed one to support the shop.

Feels like a D2, and thought that I may do a video with it and a couple of other similar drivers.


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