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wims 06-19-2021 12:13 PM

I dont see why any pros should depart because of this. Unless Jussi tells them not to throw the Originals anymore, but I can't see that happening. Even then I dont really see it happening. Sponsorship is about money, not about discs. Every company out there has great discs that can make up a pro bag

kw83028 06-19-2021 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Horsman (Post 3729698)
Same, and even Legacy doesnt sell in a pandemic

I don't doubt it. I dropped Legacy a few years back after they had an average shelf life of 7 months per disc lol

Horsman 06-19-2021 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kw83028 (Post 3729710)
I don't doubt it. I dropped Legacy a few years back after they had an average shelf life of 7 months per disc lol

All the stock we have still came from an order about 5 years ago. Its crazy

BogeyNoMore 06-19-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Horsman (Post 3729711)
All the stock we have still came from an order about 5 years ago. Its crazy

Ouch!

dehaas 06-19-2021 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3729701)
I dont see why any pros should depart because of this. Unless Jussi tells them not to throw the Originals anymore, but I can't see that happening. Even then I dont really see it happening. Sponsorship is about money, not about discs. Every company out there has great discs that can make up a pro bag

Youíre correct, sponsorships are about the money. However, itís an open market negotiation so if Simon or Eagle shop around Iím sure somebody would match or make a better offer to land either. If the dollars are equal between two offers then other variables come into play.

Iím still not sure what to expect on Monday. Simon and Eagle are both locked into long term deals, but none of us know the details of those deals. Up until a couple years ago (pre McB to DC) a lot of sponsorships were verbal agreements. I donít recall exactly which players in which instances, but a couple interview articles indicated that was the case for quite a while.

No clue how in depth and thorough player sponsorship contracts are, Iím guessing it can vary quite a bit from situation to situation. Given the growth and craziness of everything the last year it wouldnít surprise me if there was a breach of contract somewhere between Innova and DM. If DM is having supply issues, that could potentially impact their ability to hold up a contractual obligation for tour series discs (aka cash) to Eagle or Simon.

Iím sure there are a lot of moving parts to this behind the scenes that will never see the light of day. One positive to take away possibly, is that for pro contracts going forward theyíre a lot more thorough for random situations like this.

Ahildy13 06-19-2021 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3729701)
I dont see why any pros should depart because of this. Unless Jussi tells them not to throw the Originals anymore, but I can't see that happening. Even then I dont really see it happening. Sponsorship is about money, not about discs. Every company out there has great discs that can make up a pro bag

Correct, and Discmania has to have enough money to pay them...

ray1970 06-19-2021 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahildy13 (Post 3729737)
Correct, and Discmania has to have enough money to pay them...


Which it seems theyíre banking on selling a bunch of trilogy/Chinese plastic that their top pros donít even bag. Weíll see how that plays out I guess.

DiscJunkie 06-19-2021 06:43 PM

DM has demonstrated that they will produce what their big names (Simon and Eagle and maybe a few others) want.
Some questions that may be answered soon…
1. Will DM pros still be able to throw Originals? (Probably yes)
2. Will DM keep Eagle and Simon? (My heart says yes but my head says no)
3. Will DM survive the hit? (Painful, but not fatal)

Editorial:
While I still carry a few Originals molds (FD, FD3, PD, TD, MD, P3), also bag a few of the Evo and Active (Method, Rockstar, Origin, Genius). It’s nice throw DM molds that you can replace at retail prices!!

soothsayer 06-19-2021 08:00 PM

I just want to know what the "teaser" countdown is about? Like how are they going to spin this into a positive thing? Jussi already tried by literally thanking Dave Dunnipace and Harold Duval for....ending the relationship? Lets be real, the Originals are the discs people *really* want (yes, I know, Evo and Active are used by some but there isn't the fervor for them that exists for the Originals).

mas30066 06-19-2021 09:50 PM

Of course, doing the whole "thank you" wearing an Originals hoodie only stokes the fire. I *adore* the FD, but it's a wide, wide world out there.


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