Thanks for the input! We have taken all colors into account and will do our best to get you what you need. It is definitely on our radar and we want to make all of the best colors we can. At the moment, we have no S-Line CD2's in production but will go down that path after we complete a couple other projects first.

There are some G-FD2's out there and they have only been made once. There is a possibility of them being made as a production run in the future but no decision has been made on that and will likely be quite some time before that actually happens. Good choice though and it is a great disc!

Eagle was trying out the 10th runs and he loves them a lot! You are correct, though, and we are not quite sure which one he has decided to go with. The 10th run is definitely a good choice for most players that need the 3rd run flight but don't want to shell out a bunch of money. We would imagine that the 3rd run PD is still firmly in Eagle's bag and will not be leaving any time soon!

not to beat a dead horse, but the luster and freak stamps were which runs. question mark.

The blue 3rd runs got a lot of flight time at the AO. I think there was talk of an updated ITB coming filmed by Jomez there. Hope that comes out soon!!

My 2017 Discmania Wishlist
1. MD4
2. Full PDx production
3. FDx something like 8,6,0,1.5
4. S-CD2s that are solid colors
5. Shimmer discs: MD3, FD, PD, P2 for example
6. P2x

I know most of this has been previously discussed but I want my opinions heard.

This looks awfully lot like a 8 speed disc IMO. 2nd run FD reborn? Speculate away.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BP-1gCPhhVg

Looks to me much faster than a speed 8. Using measurement tools, I'm looking at a rim/diameter ratio of 10.8% and maybe off a bit due to the slight angle of the picture, so I'm going to guess the diameter is a bit longer than i measured

A speed 11 is about a 9.9% rim/diameter
A speed 12 is about a 10.4% rim/diameter
A speed 13 is about a 11.3% rim/diameter

I'm guessing it's a speed 11 or 12, now what is missing in that range? Maybe between the TD and DD for stability, in the DD speed?

IMO there is a good chance this is the UD which will be like an innova max. Brutally overstable speed 11.

yeah, i think this is right. i could see the disc hes holding up having a thick rim like the max.

I love Jussi's quote about the MD4 (reiterated by Eagle on last night's CCDG podcast) "The MD4 will come out when it's summer in Finland."

Interesting they chose to focus on another driver vs. adding an OS Mid for the beginning of the season. Either the team/public has been begging for a UD more than I realized or it's a happy hybrid from another project.

On a semi related note - how in the world did Hyzer Bomb ever get the mortar over DM? Beadless gator fits right in with the MD2, MD and MD3.

So never? lol

It's for Eagle so he can dump the max for this season and take down some big wins.

I can't say I fully understand pushing another driver but I'm definitely not sad about it. Would really love an MD4 though

Your science magic has me convinced. Although I would like that MD4 ASAP, I dont mind if this driver is a stupid OS slower-than-PD2 UD. Might even kick the FAF FB from my bag. (and dont start with the "PD2/FD3 is OS enough", theyre not for what I am using it for, i.e. crazy flex shot/anhyzer lines, and I want it to be slower than 12 speed. If it was only for wind fighting, then sure.)

Brutal man, just brutal. FWIW its not winter either, just cold dark and dank all the time. Like a wet autumn all the time, but with the lights off.

If it's any consolation Minnesota (where I am from) shares similar weather/seasonal patterns and geogrpahy with Finland.

Ahem. Somebody got their wish (Eagle might have had sth to do with it, if the AMA video is any reference). D-line PD is a thing.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BQLDMyRjbMa/

Oh sweet D-line PD! That thing is going in my bag as soon as it hits the stores.

I feel like DX drivers pass their usefulness beyond speed 7... if these come out in stiff DX I can't imagine them being overly fun to throw. If they come out in a softer blend, maybe they could be a longer DX teebird? :P

I, along with apparently the entire world, want to see the MD4 - especially if it's beadless, even more overstable than a Gator (not quite as overstable as I was hoping for), flat top, and comes in Metal Flake of Glow.

Also, full production PDx.

Another thing I would likely buy is a DD3 - 13 speed DDx flight numbers - 13 6 -1 2, but with a 1.2 cm rim height. I have big hands, and can pick up a disc, even one that I had never heard of before, and tell you if it was 1.1 or 1.2 cm rim height. DDx has 1.1, and I love throwing it, but not being able to fully grip causes release issues for me and about 20% of my throws with the DDx go straight into the ground on a line very far left from where I aim my shot

It would be interesting if Discmania would ever consider making mids such as MD-1, or MD-2. Mids that actually are rated with negative turn numbers

I think it's time to drop the MD1 and remake it as an OS mid.

Everyone wants the MD4 to be "more stable than a Gator" but...

What would go between an MD3 and MD4?

MD1 MD2 MD3 all the same, no good

I'm always game for more plastic options. D is superior for grip in rain. So yeah I think it is a nice option.

What? No chatter about the 4 new MD molds for 2017? For shame....

I will quote myself from the Discmania Collectors and Throwers group on FB:

P3x - P3 with a bead? no thank you. They should have tried to mimic a zone or jokeri (hopefully I am surprised)

MD4 - long overdue

TDx - TD is -2 and TD2 is -4 so I don't think they can go anymore understable. If they go stable - wouldn't that just be a PD? Maybe they went monster or starfire re-tool? get that OS disc that Eagle is needing.

CD3 - I think they will stay speed 9 and be more of a re-tooled valk or sidewinder. I dont think this will be the stable driver since the PD is a firebird bottom already.

Dr. Smooth, no worries on that one! Technically the luster PD was a run of it's own. Call it a first run if you will, but is just part of a new run of PD basically. We do not feel that it needs to be thrown in the mix of 9th, 10th, 11th run etc. The throwback Freak stamps were all 10th run PD's and very nice discs for sure. We hope that helps and please let us know if you have more questions!

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That is a great wish list you have there. The good news is that there will be an MD4 sometime this year, we just want to make sure that it is exactly what you all need so we are taking our time on that one. PDx is scheduled for full production in 2018 so just one more year and then we will have made it. FDx is always on the radar. We will constantly strive to re-create the 2nd run FD for everyone. S-CD2 will certainly become an option at some point. Shimmer is not as likely right now but may be down the road. P2x…. we will see!

Speculations are good! We like to see the buzz and predictions generated by these sorts of things. This disc will be revealed in the coming weeks and you all will be excited to try one out. We absolutely love this disc so far and can’t wait to put them on the market.

Thanks for the guesses! The answer will be revealed in the coming weeks!

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Summer in Finland happens occasionally and it will be MD4 time when that short magical window arrives!!

Dinasaur Thunder, the MD4 is ever elusive and we have been trying for a while to get the best result we can. We have found many different options so far, and all of which are great, but need to make sure that this disc will be exactly what everyone needs in an OS midrange. It’s coming, but we do not want to rush a good thing. I’m sure you understand.

Skizzle, we will definitely bring you a driver to not be sad about!! As said above, the MD4 is coming, it just needs to be perfect before that sort of thing is released. We prefer to take our time with these projects while keeping the wishes of our customers in mind at the same time. When you hear about this disc, it will be game time.

Maskedavenger, we will see in the next few weeks exactly what this new driver has to offer. We cannot reveal exactly what it does, but I know it will find a spot in all of our bags for sure!

D-Line PD is coming soon! They may even replace those D-FD’s in some players’ bags as a longer roller or finesse shot. Any PD is a good PD, and this one is no exception. Stay tuned!

Great news on the new discs! I gotta say that it sounds like none of them will be the MF Max replacement, but we shall wait and see. MD4 is great news. I think all of us DM fans want a true OS mid to finish off the mid range line up.

Well a guy on FB was praising the CD3 and speculated speed 13, so the mystery driver on Instagram is likely then the TDx? Dunno, he could be wrong. That rim width would look like a "control" driver in my eyes. About the TDx though... Where will it "turn"? The opposite way, i.e. fade? ��

I'll make my speculation on flight numbers for the newly announced molds.
TDx 11.5, 6, -3, 1.5
MD4 5, 2, 0, 4
CD3 11, 5, -1, 1
P3x 3, 3, 0, 2.5

How would a speed-13 fit "Control Driver" in any way? Think that guy on the BooksOfFace is on smack! ;)

Anybody know if there are any flatter runners of JL Md2? I know the discmania store has JL md2 but they have some dome.

There was a run that was literally called "flatter JL MD2s." I don't know how you can find them, but they are definitely on the flatter side. It is my favorite run of the MD2.

Where was this announcement?
Does;t matter, anyhow, what I'd like to see or at least will take a guess at...
TDx 10, 6, -1, 3
MD4 5, 3, 0, 4
CD3 9, 5, -3, 1
P3x 3, 3, -1, 3

The ones called "flatter JL" were the first runs. From what ive seen, they had tourney stamps (Asia Open, GCC). I also have a flat slightly pearly one that i got from the store awhile back.

I love S-Line TD's and hope the TDx is just a stable version of the mold. The PDx was a different mold than the PD correct? So more than likely it will be a different mold? S-line TD's are one of the most underrated discs because of the name. I find most of them to be stable especially older run Rush stamps (excluding champ/star blend reds and pinks- they are flippy). New mini shields are domy-er and have plenty of glide but dont fade as hard at the end as the older runs. I love both but prefer more fade at the end. I bet the p3x will be a different mold completely. I remember there being talk of wanting them to be more of a Harp type of disc which I think needs a different mold. I love P3's. I putt with non 1st run D's and throw C and S-Lines for up shots. I wish they would make some in stif pro plastic.

this is fun, here's mine

TDx 10, 5, -3, 2
MD4 5, 4, 0, 4
CD3 10, 4, 0, 5 For Eagle's Max
P3x 3, 2, 0, 3 but a strong 3 fade

Totally agree on TDs. I love those things for easy hyzerflips, turnovers, and just started experimenting with them for rollers. I got a McBeth signed S-TD from Supreme Flight and it may well be the easiest hyzerflip distance driver I've ever had. 350' dead straight tunnels on a flip-to-flat line that can't be beat.