Dig the black on white by the way, keep it simple. The green does pop though.

I will echo what you said, I wish innova would animal stamp their premium plastic more. They make for the best looking stamps IMHO.

Short of old lightning stamps.

Got 5 more double stamps on the way. Between the readily available, not-selling-out-anytime-soon gstar gazelles and the 6 double stamps and 2 glo along with my dx, I'm set for quite some time. : D

My gstar gazelles have a plh slightly higher than my cfr glo. Think I'm gonna be in looooove.

Pics side by side?

all 3 gstar are 170-172.


Dome...about the same as cfr, and pretty consistent across the board.

http://i1348.photobucket.com/albums/...psqrda68e4.jpg


Plh...samesies.

http://i1348.photobucket.com/albums/...psadt9pfx5.jpg


Vs cfr glo. Basically identical.

http://i1348.photobucket.com/albums/...pslhcvvlf1.jpg

So yeah, they're a bit domey....and that's fine. I've got my double eagle stamps for the flatter, more os role and they'll take years to season. The gstar variants of discs all seem to fly pretty true to flight numbers and season more like pro plastic, so I'm excited to toss these in the woods once they get seasoned up!


I'll probably have some feedback after Sunday.

Please do!

The wing looks a tad higher on the Gstar? I'm intrigued to try one out. I'd love to try a Kaxe as well but I'm a bit afraid for a similar flight than a Gazelle.. I sometimes bag a Gazelle but not very often. It's a mold I have loved for a long time but the last years I've been mostly throwing Teebirds and FDs.. It's hard for me to make up my mind between these awesome molds :)

Yeah, it's hard being a gazelle thrower.

Just barely higher, not enough to make a significant difference IMO, but the stability combined with the gstar glide as it seasons is gonna be magical I bet.

I haven't thrown a kaxe, but I hear great things here all the time. It certainly is very comfy in the hand. But I want a true slow fairway driver, not a tweener.

The reason I love the gazelle is because the fade is so minimal, less than a teebird, but the hss is pretty similar to start with. Then it beats into a great line shaper that retains a bit of fade. It's like the best of both the teebird and eagle with just a little less distance.

As a gazelle thrower I don't dig a kaxe. I am keeping one on my bag, to try occasionally, but prefer my gazelle. And the Andro + is a bit closer to the gazelle in speed and distance than the kaxe. Boy the kaxe feels good, though.


Agreed on gazelle love. I like to spread out the distance with using a speed 8 fairway like a JLS or escape (yes I know it is called a 9) to make the distance difference greater.

Just gotta throw the Kaxe harder :p

All this Gazelle chatter has me wanting to throw one. I love ripping on slower discs and the slow fairway slot isn't something that I have dabbled in.

That's exactly why I pair mine with a pd. I knew from the get-go that either the pd or the olf were going to be my control drivers even though I tried a couple others. The gazelle just pairs with them perfectly. Very distinct roles, but no real gaps between the two. I'm okay with not having a traditional mid setup.

I would probably have gone back to the Gazelle if they were consistently made in premium plastic. Back when DX was better the Gazelle was one of the discs that improved my game and technique. I started throwing Eagles after that. This may sound crazy but I think that Star Leopards (max weight) are a decent substitute for the Gazelle in premium plastic.

Makes sense to me. Probably starts off with a pretty neutral flight.

I guess I'm just planning on stockpiling gazelles so I don't have to worry about the whole oop thing for some years. I don't lose a whole lot of discs and I can't play incredibly often anymore with my current work schedule.

Got my champs, note to self : if there are multiple colors available and you ask Clearwater to "surprise you" they're only going to send you one color. -_- lesson learned.

http://i63.tinypic.com/2jdp0nb.jpg
wondering if this is of any value to anyone here

Looks like a good roller disc.

I find that QPLS fly alot like a gazelle in its sweet spot
They are still abundant as glows, and on pro shop so am in the same boat

Probably not much, I've been able to pick up lots of circle and bar stamp discs for pretty cheap.

Well, got out and tossed some on top of the bluff in red wing, so there was some wind involved. Both the gstar and champ were a solid 0 HSS for sure as best I could tell.

If I torqued them over with oat (spoiler alert: i did, a lot) they would always flex out before the flight got too out of hand.

These aren't going to fly anywhere near as magical as the dx for a while until they're beat up, but they are solid line shapers and holders right out of the gate.

The double eagle stamps champs reminded me of the new runs of champ teebirds. I was disappointed at first. no teebird glide, no teebird distance and then you realize...this is going to be in my bag for yeeeears... In the meantime I'll use it for straight to fade shots and the gstars are gonna get beat up to be the fairway scalpels.

revising my opinion. threw at c.p. adams today in hastings, mn.

i wasn't torquing them over. i got out for two full rounds which included a lot of driving/approaching with my putters and my comet. at least one of the gstar gazelles ( i only threw one today just to try and really get to know it) actually has a decent amount of turn. how, i don't know. but it does, and it still fades. even my comet was flying perfect lines. the champ gazelle held strong the whole time.

i was surprised to say the least, but once i got used to it things started to click and it's really helping on the lower fairway lines where i needed that turn and fade.

hole 1 is a perfect example. the hole is at the very end of the tunnel, well beyond the gap. usually that's a teebird or a leo shot. the gazelle flipped up and a little over from slight hyzer - it initially looked like it was going to tag the tree that forms the gap, just on the left hand side. instead it turned out into the right half of the fairway and faded out just to the left of the basket for about a 15' putt. with a leo, you have to flip it onto the perfect locked line. with the teebird, the same. this seemed to have a decent amount of both turn and fade. not sure how i feel about it, coming from teebirds and dx gazelles and the cfr glo, but it works.


http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course...3/90cf427f.jpg


overall, i'm pretty satisfied. i'll be keeping a combination of both champ and gstar gazelles in the bag along with dx until the gstars reach roller status.

Threw a gazelle for the first time today, a champ double eagle stamped one. Wow, not the typical gazelle, but nice straight flight with healthy fade. If I didn't love tb's, I would want some.

got to do some real field work today! there's some weirdness with the gstar gazelles.

first, let me preface a little.

i'm pretty picky about my discs. when i go to the store, more than anything i enjoy taking a full sleeve and comparing the domes and PLH of each disc and picking the flattest, most os or the least OS. it's fun for me. so all my dx gazelles are pretty flat, all my PD and PD2 have a slight dome with a high plh compared to their peers, etc etc.

the dx gazelles fly straight with fade, maybe the tiniest hint of turn. the champ gazelles seem to hold really straight with fade, held pretty well even into a moderate headwind. the cfr glo is great too, just not as headwind friendly, but flies pretty far thanks to that dome.

the gstar gazelles are weird. the first round i threw with them, i claimed they were straight to fade. not true. they flip/turn almost like a pro leo or a dx eagle ( champ eagle L maybe?) and then fade like a fresh gazelle. it's the last thing i ever would have expected after geeking out about the PLH, and i'm kind of disappointed? i don't know if i really am or not though. anyway.

basically the others fly like gazelles and the gstar flies like something else i haven't thrown. a lot of lateral movement, both turn and fade for such a slow fairway. it will be nice for hyzerflips, but the idea was something to season to straight and then understable. my cfr glo is mostly straight now, but i highly doubt that is going to happen with the gstar considering how much turn they have built in.


i may decide to just rock star and champ gazelles instead.

I only got one G* but I agree, it is weird. Gave it a couple throws and decided it's not for me.

i ordered 3, all 170-172. i threw all 3 gstar vs all 5 of my eagle stamp champs, my 2 cfr and my 3 dx. *shrug*

i have a theory that relies on GYRO of all things, but i doubt it's the problem.

when i look at my gstar gazelles and hold them to the light (i noticed this before i threw them, btw) there is a circle about 2 inches or so across that doesn't let light through. it's centered on the middle of the flight plate like plastic or dye pooled there. the remainder of the disc, including the very edge of the wing itself, lets light through.

i immediately thought about the blizzard thing, bubbles in flight plate vs bubbles in rim. who knows? i don't really see that with other discs.

Quick question, if I may: are all of your GStars acting differently from each other, or are they all acting the same and acting weirdly the same.

Reason I ask: When I've gotten into "debates" (more like fights) about GStar, my point has been their inconsistency with variations in temperature. I could never get my GStar Thunderbird to be consistent from day to day, and after I got a Champ Thunderbird that was very consistent, I knew the problem with the GStar was not operator headspace and timing (i.e. me).

So I'm wondering if something similar is affecting your GStars, while your Star and Champs are more consistent....

Nah, all 3 gstar gazelles fly similar except for one that really blasted a tree and bent the wing down..and that one flew just like the other two at first.

I used to throw gstar teebirds and destroyers, and toyed with gstar aviar driver for a bit. I never really found the temps to change how they throw, they were always great in my book, just slightly less stable for the teebirds and destroyers compared to normal star which was great, and it showed when I compared the plh so it was easy to see why they flew different. Our temps have been 20-30 degrees each day I've thrown so far over the last couple weeks.

Cool beans. Thanks for the info.

As an aside, I have. GStar Aviar P&A, and while it's a bit softer than I like, it's a really accurate in-the-circle putter...

Where do you get Champ Gazelles?

I had been testing out the Warship as a replacement for my Gazelle but I am not sure it is going to replace it.

Nah, it was operator error ;)

final thoughts on the gstar after a couple more rounds.

i don't mind the extra turn. i throw better with a touch of hyzer anyway. this is why i like comets, PPD/SOLF and generally things with a tick of turn. i only used it for a couple throws yesterday, but i managed to snake some good shots in at BRP where i'd normally have a problem. they were good drives to begin with, but the hyzer style just meshes with me more. just a touch of hyzer, flips up, drifts to the right and fades into a straight line down the fairway before it has a chance to really come back too hard. i'm good. i'll continue using these until i get my star and champ gazelles seasoned in/beat, then it'll be a mix of just champ and star for me in all likelihood.

shots like this

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course...2/1af07b14.jpg

and this

http://www.dgcoursereview.com/course...2/b95ec8a3.jpg

where i needed to turn right and count on the little fade to bring me back were its bread and butter. all the other straight to fade stuff and wind stuff was handled admirably by my cfr glo and my eagle stamped champ, or my hornet when it got too crazy. not a bad setup.

First picture - When tackling this hole, while the Gazelle is not a bad choice, I prefer something that has a touch of turn so that when I rocketed just off the ground, it hopefully will make the turn before the pond on the left. Something like my FD or Truth with some torque can work. Unfortunately theory does not always equal results on this hole and often I settle for fours.

Second picture - Throwing my Gazelle on this hole scares me because sometimes I sacrifice a little distance for accuracy. Fortunately my TeeBird or Thunderbird not only clears the pond and guardian tree on the right, but clears the hill and gets into the open area. If I can clear the initial tunnel (which obviously is the trick of this hole), I average around 3.8 here; the second shot being more critical than the first.

http://www.discgolfflymart.com/media...6/p6281268.jpg

How rare are these Gazelles around 170g and how much would one cost me? I found a DX Gazelle on the course and I was surprised how much I liked it. I always wrote it off because it was lower speed than all of my other fairways, but boy was I ever wrong... I eventually got it back to the guy who lost it, but I went and bought myself another DX, but that's all my local shop had for that mold.

I don't think you will find a JL gazelle at 170. Your best bet is to find a CFR glow gazelle if you want a champ in that weight range.

Anyone still collect 11x? Seems as if all the collectors died off with all the new plastic that's been coming out. She's looking for a new home if anyone's interested...

http://i63.tinypic.com/auxc9x.jpg
http://imgur.com/tJJiT5z

Those tee shots are beautiful, Koda.

I just pulled them off the site's media files for the course, haha. I agree though!

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2938/...a6d8821a_b.jpg

Not quite sure what I am throwing here, but I still do not trust the Gazelle to make it across the pond. I bet I could do it, but it would be close. I absolutely adore my Star Gazelles, but they are also a little difficult to replace right now.

I guess throwing Polecats, rocs and comets for a couple seasons has changed how I throw and envision my lines. I typically prefer to throw a slower disc for a higher line on any given shot. I find it lets me throw slower and with more control. In your picture I would be aiming upward down the fairway at the foliage of the tree across the pond in the fairway, just about level with the top of your hat. That's the apex of my throw on this hole if there are calm conditions.

Either that or I say "screw it" and try to burn one out there as hard and far as I can. The pond doesn't really scare me on this one, it's when we come BACK that I have to worry. I like to run the pin and that is not a job for my gazelle, haha.

I'm excited to actually start the season and show people the old school is still in session; gonna be warm again this weekend!

^yup legit. Im going slimmed down and slow this season 4 sho.