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stevep 03-04-2010 07:54 PM

Pay to play disc golf
 
Should it be free or pay to play?

Read article here

Jukeshoe 03-04-2010 07:56 PM

I'll pay for nice courses. Generally speaking, free courses are one of the (many) main draws to playing this sport, in my opinion. Having a "free" hobby is pretty sweet.

sloppydisc 03-04-2010 08:01 PM

I will pay for a good course or a unique course. I also think that when I play a private course the right thing to do is make some kind of donation, or purchase whatever discs, clothes etc that I can to help support the cause. It has to be a lot of work to build and maintain a nice course.

LeewayeDiscGolf 03-04-2010 08:14 PM

Even disc golf's most elite pay to play courses don't cost hardly anything compared to ball golf. Pay to play in terms of disc golf is just fine. I also agree with sloppydisc that supporting private courses is a must. One of the main draws of disc golf is free courses, but even the pay to play courses are really inexpensive. The only part that may hit your wallet is the ski slope courses and lift tickets.

therealbigtrav 03-04-2010 08:23 PM

I love the pay to play. It keeps the "riff raff" out, and the course amenities and maintenance are usually top notch. I don't mind paying a few dollars to not have to wait behind groups of eight who only care about drinking and smoking. I'm glad that there are still free courses, but I have been buying seasonal memberships at two separate courses for the last five years.

Cradical 03-04-2010 08:29 PM

Wow that castle rock complex looks amazing! I can't wait til it opens. And it's not even too far from the Cities!

buzzinb 03-04-2010 08:32 PM

Great article--sums it well. Free courses for all, pay courses for those willing to pony up for the experience. Naturally, pay courses should offer something above and beyond what local free courses do.

therealbigtrav 03-04-2010 09:01 PM

Castle rock does look amazing. I hope we see more of the complexes come into development. I don't see them being financially lucrative, but if the goal is to be self sufficient, it's achievable. People who love disc golf creating multiple disc courses for people who love disc golf.

biscoe 03-04-2010 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sloppydisc (Post 285877)
I also think that when I play a private course the right thing to do is make some kind of donation, or purchase whatever discs, clothes etc that I can to help support the cause. It has to be a lot of work to build and maintain a nice course.

thanks!

solomon.trenton 03-04-2010 09:38 PM

having a private course on your own land is tough work, so i dont mind paying for those. but i wont pay for a course in a public park because the state, county, or city/town pays for upkeep or at least assists.

biscoe 03-04-2010 09:48 PM

bs- some municipalities support beyond allowing the land to be used, some don't. if they DO support that is even more reason to pay. bottom line is someone somewhere down the line IS paying.

chuckdisc 03-04-2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzinb (Post 285913)
Great article--sums it well. Free courses for all, pay courses for those willing to pony up for the experience. Naturally, pay courses should offer something above and beyond what local free courses do.

I don't mind to give $$ to play a nice course.

paulrothley@msn.com 03-04-2010 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckdisc (Post 286075)
I don't mind to give $$ to play a nice course.

I own Phantom Falls, and I ask PP for a donation to help me improve & the course. I have not had any neg feedback. I think this sport is growing faster than public courses are being built, and those who choose to share their private labor of love should be rewarded for filling the void.

therealbigtrav 03-04-2010 11:44 PM

I couldn't agree more Paul. I enjoy being able to support private courses through membership, purchasing dg gear, or daily passes to private courses. Players at private courses tend to be of a higher caliber, and not just at disc golf. People care about the upkeep as well. I take bags and collect litter at the private courses everytime out. I can't say the same about public. I don't know what that says about me, but there's a helluva lot less trash at the private courses I play that people respect, then a public course that people abuse. I hope I get out to Colorado again this summer, and get to check out Phantom. Appreciate you Paul.

compn 03-04-2010 11:51 PM

i donate my time (picking up trash, clearing fallen trees, etc) and money to public and private courses, and i pay for park access (like metroparks). but i'm not all that jazzed on paying per day/annually to have some doofus in a segway chase people around looking for tags.

i miss the riff-raff.

therealbigtrav 03-05-2010 12:01 AM

The "riff raff" I'm talking about are the players who go to courses because they have no other place to be. Guys who could care less about playing, and are only there because they have no other place to be. I'm all for having a good time. The most I've payed for a membership is $45 for a season, or $10 a day, and it's worth it to see that money go back to into improvements at the course.

smyith 03-05-2010 12:14 AM

my favorite things about pay-to-play:
#1 - 99% of the time the players have a much better etiquette (not necessarily better player)
#2 - courses are generally more challenging
#3 - maintenance
#4 - no chuckers who destroy the course
i expect alot more from a pay to play. it better be well taken care of and fun!
of the curses mentioned ive played all but elm creek. and if that is the caliber this castle rocks will be made then id gladly pay to play it. my only compliant is with three rivers park district: they dont allow dogs on the course.

free courses are an absolute necessity its what this sport is founded on. pay to play has its place but every area should have a free local course. new players arnt going to want to pay every time the play.

Donovan 03-05-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sloppydisc (Post 285877)
I will pay for a good course or a unique course. I also think that when I play a private course the right thing to do is make some kind of donation, or purchase whatever discs, clothes etc that I can to help support the cause. It has to be a lot of work to build and maintain a nice course.

Preach it brother! I'm with you!

bikinjack 03-05-2010 12:46 AM

I've yet to play a pay to play course. I think it's almost solely because we have great public free to play courses around here. Maples Lake is the only nearby pay to play course that comes to mind, and it's only open on Saturdays, so I don't get to play it because I must work on Saturdays. I've heard it's got great potential.

craftsman 03-05-2010 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by compn (Post 286173)
i donate my time (picking up trash, clearing fallen trees, etc) and money to public and private courses, and i pay for park access (like metroparks). but i'm not all that jazzed on paying per day/annually to have some doofus in a segway chase people around looking for tags.

i miss the riff-raff.

Kensington I'm guessing. H mills people are nice. How do feel about the $50 price. I'll admit it hurt shellin out $70 for the pass ang tag- and that's before any league fees.

I also think it bs they want to charge for non players. I realize this is a slipery slope but sometimes a lil common sense is in need.

tmahan 03-05-2010 01:16 AM

I'll generally contribute for any course I want kept around.

Rupert M 03-05-2010 01:25 AM

I left ball-golf and started playing disc-golf almost immediately after my Pings were stolen. To replace my awesome set of clubs, I would have had to sell my car, blood, plasma and dog. That and the greens-fees, which average $40-50 a round, combined with the high cost of balls, gloves, shoes, etc was a great excuse to try a new past-time. I've been playing for twelve years, pay-to-play courses, free courses, private courses, tourney fees, park entry fees, bags and discs combined...you can't even compare the two. We have it so easy and cheap, its laughable.
It is funny, though. Some of you that don't like the pay-to-play deal have spent quite a bit of $$$ on your HUNDREDS of discs. Hypocritical??
All in all, the courses that do charge $1- $10 to play a round are really freaking nice. Mostly. Just remember, tip your servers.

REDARMY 03-05-2010 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by stevep (Post 285870)
Should it be free or pay to play?

Read article here

don't need to read it. pay-to-play keeps the douchebag/drunk/pothead factor down and also (hopefully) goes towards course improvements.

a win-win if you ask me.

craftsman 03-05-2010 01:34 AM

Kensignton- worth it
Hudson- worth it
willow-????

compn 03-05-2010 07:34 AM

i'm only opposed to some doofus on a segway, put that disc golf fee in the park admission and i'm absolutely fine with that. at dexter, its a washtenaw county law offence (misdemeanor?) if you dont have your disc golf tag and get caught. i know this because they had it plastered on a sign before you start playing. hope it doesnt blow your concentration!

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It is funny, though. Some of you that don't like the pay-to-play deal have spent quite a bit of $$$ on your HUNDREDS of discs. Hypocritical??
in this thread i'm the only one who said he didnt like some negatives to the pay to play course. but if you want to complain about non existant posters, then go right ahead.

compn 03-05-2010 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by craftsman (Post 286247)
Kensington I'm guessing. H mills people are nice. How do feel about the $50 price. I'll admit it hurt shellin out $70 for the pass ang tag- and that's before any league fees.

i usually just get daily passes. i could see buying a yearly one , but i would lose the tag pretty quickly for sure. i dont play with a bag (so i cant put the tag on it) because i'm a single discer.

willow is playable in early spring or fall. worth playing if you already bought the tag and its in your area, no doubt.

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I also think it bs they want to charge for non players. I realize this is a slipery slope but sometimes a lil common sense is in need.
kensington charged my mom to walk the dog with us. thats another reason i'd rather see the fee put into the park admission.

jkdisc 03-05-2010 07:50 AM

i dont mind if: fee is low and the course is worth it

skottyb 03-05-2010 08:52 AM

Anyone in the Twin Cities should be overjoyed to have Timmy Gill devote his time and money too promote disc golf in the area. You have some (if not) the best courses in the country. Pay to play is definitely the way to go to when it comes to top notch facilities. Nothing is free afterall

DavidSauls 03-05-2010 09:19 AM

I wouldn't say pay-to-play is the future of disc golf....but it's part of the future.

In my experience the fees are modest, especially compared to the benefits.

This will vary widely from place to place, depending on the quality and crowdedness of the free public courses.

Pay-to-play itself varies widely. Private courses, courses on ball golf courses and ski resorts, state parks and similar county parks where there's a fee to enter, etc.

Pay-to-play expands the choices for disc golfers, with the opportunity for better courses, better amenities, courses that are disc-golf-exclusive, and sometimes features you couldn't offer on a public course.

_.-Dut-._ 03-05-2010 10:01 AM

I cant imagine the sport will ever become pay to play, simply because of how many free options in public parks there is now. The sport would become less attractive to alot of people aswell.

With all that being said I have never played a pay to play course, mainly because I am surrounded by great courses that are free. I am not against some popping up and like others have said I am all for supporting Private courses. Also the IDGC in GA charges fees and I plan to play those fairly soon.


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It is funny, though. Some of you that don't like the pay-to-play deal have spent quite a bit of $$$ on your HUNDREDS of discs. Hypocritical??
No, its not hypocritical to not want to pay to use a course but dont mind buying your own equipment. No more than it would be hypocritical to buy a car, but not want a toll booth put on your road.

Fender088 03-05-2010 10:06 AM

I think that free courses are the best way to get people into the game. After you've been playing awhile I think you realize the importance of paying to keep the maintained courses with great amenities around. However, I do think it's cool if you can reciprocate in other ways such as sponsorships, buying discs from them, etc.
I also think it's cool if private courses have specific days of the year where they let in people for free to check out the layout and such. It only spreads the sport.

_.-Dut-._ 03-05-2010 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Fender088 (Post 286400)
I do think it's cool if you can reciprocate in other ways

^^ I agree totally with that. The free courses are still upket, ussually by the local disc golf club. If it wasnt for them using their time and money than vandalism and theft would make many courses unplayable shortly after being put into the ground.

Dave242 03-05-2010 10:27 AM

I did a quick search of the top 20 rated courses on this site (with 5+ votes). 11 of 20 are pay to play and at least 10 are private.

As such, DGCR users have voted convincingly that Pay-4-Play DG has a huge part in the existence of elite courses.

leppard 03-05-2010 10:30 AM

I've never paid to play, but I would if I had the opportunity. It's fun to play new courses.

solomon.trenton 03-05-2010 11:01 AM

i dont mind paying as i said before but within reason. i remember someone mentioning having to pay 20 bucks for a lift ticket to the top of a ski mountain in the off season. seriously, WTF? put in a course lower so you dont have to run the lifts.

wolito 03-05-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by therealbigtrav (Post 285901)
I love the pay to play. It keeps the "riff raff" out, and the course amenities and maintenance are usually top notch. I don't mind paying a few dollars to not have to wait behind groups of eight who only care about drinking and smoking. I'm glad that there are still free courses, but I have been buying seasonal memberships at two separate courses for the last five years.

Agreed. I have yet to pay to play any courses, but certianly open to. If a donation box is available at the start, I will always put some money in there. Great to have a free sport, but the few bucks to play a great course is certianly reasonable as well.

paulrothley@msn.com 03-05-2010 11:31 AM

Guy's, Guy's, Guy's - Wake up!! I ran a recreation department for a city, and a county. I can tell you first hand that when a city or county rec. center decides to drop 10 to 15 large of tax payers money on anything, they are looking for that final project to be somewhat self sustaining. Is the public pool free, a little league for your kid, evening flag football league, seniors aerobics, NO, none of these things are free. There is always a nominal user fee to support the least funded department in any city or county (the parks & recreatuion department). NOTHING is free, and we should all be very thankfull that we have played for free this long, but someone paid at least 10 large to put in whatever course that you play for free on. We should be throwing money in those donation boxes in abundance every chance we get to let these people know that we appreciate the course and there efforts to put it in. We are spoiled and the gravy train will not last forever, EVERYTHING costs money, WAKE UP, and support your local courses W/ all the resources you have access to.

Scott Van Dyke 03-05-2010 04:30 PM

Private course or city park. I would pay $2 for the option to play the entire day at any course out there. If the course sucks, then I won't be back. Pay to Play work well for me for several reasons:

1. Less traffic.
2. Course now has a staff to help keep it clean and work on "projects".
3. Less traffic.

craftsman 03-05-2010 07:16 PM

Let me say that I am not against ptp, BUT....
Why only dg??? So everyone pays $4(or $20/yr) to get in, but why is it only us that has to pay the extra $2(or $50/yr)? I'd imagine more people get hurt riding thier bikes or skating then discin. I also feel the beach people leave more trash. Or the fact that a playground cost 3-10+ the price of a course.
I don't mind paying but I do feel a lil picked on.

RussMB 03-05-2010 07:33 PM

I've got to say, I have no problem dropping cash to play a P2P. I've yet to got to Trophy Lakes in Charleston, but I've been told it's a fantastic course! I agree with whoever said it. If you want the Course to grow, plant some seeds. (Seeds=Cash) I love a good Free course, don't get me wrong. I didn't care for it much before, but now I've kinda changed my tune. We had a FANTASTIC 18 hole course here in SC. It was on a campground. Well, the cost to maintenance, became a problem as long as it was free. So the Owner made it a P2P. ...well, now it's gone. This was a course, you would have wanted to pay to play! I drove 40 miles to try to find it, only to discover it was extinct.
A fantastic course, gone because no one wanted to chip in! :(
Stillwater Farms RIP

Course webpage

Granted, I don't want to see courses gouging prices, but I would like to see more courses at full potential!


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