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tom12003 09-16-2019 06:34 PM

2019 USDGC (Jomez lovefest optional)
 
Surprised no one started this thread yet. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

2 weeks to go! Just started course set up today. Lots of changes (as usual); based on some rumors, old holes 1 and 2 will not be played and traditional 3 will be hole one, old 4 will be 2, a new hole on the ball golf course might be 3, old 5 will have an older tee pad and will be hole 4 (only about 1,000 ft rather than the 1,100); next 6 holes will be traditional (except being one lower in number). Looks like the old 11-12 will be broken into 3 holes; everything else (13-18) looks like the old layout.

There will no longer be top red/yellow rope--replaced by short PVC pipes (still with the traditional bottom yellow string; the real OB line).

A few holes are now fully marked; most of the OB should be ready this week. Its a work in progress.

turbosteve 09-16-2019 07:00 PM

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I have some really bad news to share. Unfortunately jomezproductions is no longer invited to film at the USDGC. I am very disappointed and sad that Innova has chosen this terrible decision. I will no longer purchase any Innova products and I strongly encourage my fellow disc golfers to do the same. I think the Charlotte disc golf community should boycott this event and put all of their efforts into supporting the DGPT championships.

brutalbrutus 09-16-2019 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tom12003 (Post 3497688)
Surprised no one started this thread yet. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

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Its in the tourney forum.

JC17393 09-16-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497704)
I have some really bad news to share. Unfortunately jomezproductions is no longer invited to film at the USDGC. I am very disappointed and sad that Innova has chosen this terrible decision. I will no longer purchase any Innova products and I strongly encourage my fellow disc golfers to do the same. I think the Charlotte disc golf community should boycott this event and put all of their efforts into supporting the DGPT championships.

Grow up. You say "no longer invited" as if Innova and the USDGC kicked them out or something. They were never scheduled to be there. They're not entitled to be there. The world will keep spinning despite them not covering the event.

Innova has its own channel and its own (hired) production company. They're entirely within their rights to put coverage of the event where ever they want.

DanJon 09-16-2019 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497704)
I have some really bad news to share. Unfortunately jomezproductions is no longer invited to film at the USDGC. I am very disappointed and sad that Innova has chosen this terrible decision. I will no longer purchase any Innova products and I strongly encourage my fellow disc golfers to do the same. I think the Charlotte disc golf community should boycott this event and put all of their efforts into supporting the DGPT championships.


You make this seem like they were invited and then that invitation was taken away.

In other news Discraft won't be selling Innova products on their online store.

I invite everyone to boycott them.

Martin Dewgarita 09-16-2019 08:58 PM

Well. If a person were to go to the USDGC page and click on "2019 media partners" The name on the top of the list is... Jomez

Streets 09-16-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497704)
I have some really bad news to share. Unfortunately jomezproductions is no longer invited to film at the USDGC. I am very disappointed and sad that Innova has chosen this terrible decision. I will no longer purchase any Innova products and I strongly encourage my fellow disc golfers to do the same. I think the Charlotte disc golf community should boycott this event and put all of their efforts into supporting the DGPT championships.

I wonder if Charlotte disc golf would be where it is if it wasn't for Innova East being so close...just food for thought while you're busy throwing your hissy fit.

turbosteve 09-16-2019 09:14 PM

Dude I'm from Rock Hill so I'm more than aware of how they helped the sport. Harold Duvall even went to the church that I grew up in. I'm not going to support a company that holds the sport back. Jomez would more than likely crack the YouTube algorithm and reach over 1million views. They would also gain a decent amount of subscribers which would help grow the sport in the long term.

eman6854 09-16-2019 09:28 PM

Usdgc isn't a favorite of mine to watch and no Jomez makes it less likely I'll be in a rush to check out coverage

jvphobic 09-16-2019 09:29 PM

That partner page hadn't been updated in a year if I am correct.

Guess what... CCDG, SmashBoxx, GK Pro, etc were not invited to to film either. Innova went with what was probably a more fiscally smart move and kept it on the spinTV channel.

Innova knows all the numbers. What it would cost them for Jomez vs the potential lost views by not having it on their channel.

ru4por 09-16-2019 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497743)
Dude I'm from Rock Hill so I'm more than aware of how they helped the sport. Harold Duvall even went to the church that I grew up in. I'm not going to support a company that holds the sport back. Jomez would more than likely crack the YouTube algorithm and reach over 1million views. They would also gain a decent amount of subscribers which would help grow the sport in the long term.

While I appreciate your passion, I think you are really kind of over the top here. Disc golf has, and will continue to grow, without the impact of Jomez or any other media company. I think we DGCR folks forget that we are the tip of highly involved disc golfers. The vast majority don't watch videos and could care less about tournament play.

To even say that Innova is holding back the sport, by putting out their own videos is hyperbolic at best and myopic at worst. Innova has does more for the game in a week than Jomez ever has. I don't recall any tournaments, I have played in, being sponsored by Jomez.

Boycott all you want....but, don't tell me what to do.

Keller 09-16-2019 09:37 PM

I think I'll go and buy a new Roc tomorrow!:p

Streets 09-16-2019 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Keller (Post 3497752)
I think I'll go and buy a new Roc tomorrow!:p

Do you even #growthesport brah?

elmexdela 09-16-2019 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497704)
I have some really bad news to share. Unfortunately jomezproductions is no longer invited to film at the USDGC. I am very disappointed and sad that Innova has chosen this terrible decision. I will no longer purchase any Innova products and I strongly encourage my fellow disc golfers to do the same. I think the Charlotte disc golf community should boycott this event and put all of their efforts into supporting the DGPT championships.

better late than never to the party

araytx 09-16-2019 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tom12003 (Post 3497688)
Surprised no one started this thread yet. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

2 weeks to go! Just started course set up today. Lots of changes (as usual); based on some rumors, old holes 1 and 2 will not be played and traditional 3 will be hole one, old 4 will be 2, a new hole on the ball golf course might be 3, old 5 will have an older tee pad and will be hole 4 (only about 1,000 ft rather than the 1,100); next 6 holes will be traditional (except being one lower in number). Looks like the old 11-12 will be broken into 3 holes; everything else (13-18) looks like the old layout.

There will no longer be top red/yellow rope--replaced by short PVC pipes (still with the traditional bottom yellow string; the real OB line).

A few holes are now fully marked; most of the OB should be ready this week. Its a work in progress.

Ironically, someone did start a USDGC thread, about two weeks ago. You may not have found it, because they decided (hmmmmm) to put it under the "Tournaments" section. Silly brutus.

Check it out ... or better yet...


Maybe incorporate...

perklc 09-16-2019 10:55 PM

And you can't possibly know what's "more than likely" going to "crack the algorithm"

DavidSauls 09-16-2019 11:06 PM

Ah, the Jomez cult, holding forth that no other video company may cover a big disc golf tournament, presumably for the rest of time. And to L with TDs and their plans and financial decisions, if they dare to not hire Jomez.

bhadella 09-16-2019 11:26 PM

I hope that if you are passionate about the DGPT event final, please volunteer for the event. The Club can use all the help we can get.

ru4por 09-16-2019 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bhadella (Post 3497778)
I hope that if you are passionate about the DGPT event final, please volunteer for the event. The Club can use all the help we can get.

I am guessing turbo has been leading the DGPT boycott as well.

disctildeath 09-17-2019 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Keller (Post 3497752)
I think I'll go and buy a new Roc tomorrow!:p

Even better, buy a Pig, Stan McDaniel who has done more for Charlotte disc golf than Jomez or DGPT was rocking them long before Ricky.

turbosteve 09-17-2019 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by bhadella (Post 3497778)
I hope that if you are passionate about the DGPT event final, please volunteer for the event. The Club can use all the help we can get.

I'll try to if my work schedule doesn't conflict. I can't do anything too physical because I'm still recovering from my surgery.

lines 09-17-2019 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497704)
I have some really bad news to share. Unfortunately jomezproductions is no longer invited to film at the USDGC. I am very disappointed and sad that Innova has chosen this terrible decision. I will no longer purchase any Innova products and I strongly encourage my fellow disc golfers to do the same. I think the Charlotte disc golf community should boycott this event and put all of their efforts into supporting the DGPT championships.

I appreciate your stance. Are you selling your old Innova products? Rocs? Spiders? Teebirds? Wraiths?

You need to stick it to the man.

Plastic Thunder 09-17-2019 08:21 AM

No really need to watch this year,

Unless you figure a way to Mcbeth proof the the course, he's going to beat the stuffing out of the field as he has done for most of year...............




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Originally Posted by tom12003 (Post 3497688)
Surprised no one started this thread yet. Correct me if I'm mistaken.

2 weeks to go! Just started course set up today. Lots of changes (as usual); based on some rumors, old holes 1 and 2 will not be played and traditional 3 will be hole one, old 4 will be 2, a new hole on the ball golf course might be 3, old 5 will have an older tee pad and will be hole 4 (only about 1,000 ft rather than the 1,100); next 6 holes will be traditional (except being one lower in number). Looks like the old 11-12 will be broken into 3 holes; everything else (13-18) looks like the old layout.

There will no longer be top red/yellow rope--replaced by short PVC pipes (still with the traditional bottom yellow string; the real OB line).

A few holes are now fully marked; most of the OB should be ready this week. Its a work in progress.


PoorPutter 09-17-2019 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Martin Dewgarita (Post 3497740)
Well. If a person were to go to the USDGC page and click on "2019 media partners" The name on the top of the list is... Jomez

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That's classic.

Streets 09-17-2019 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3497789)
I am guessing turbo has been leading the DGPT boycott as well.

That must be awkward

Streets 09-17-2019 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3497776)
Ah, the Jomez cult, holding forth that no other video company may cover a big disc golf tournament, presumably for the rest of time. And to L with TDs and their plans and financial decisions, if they dare to not hire Jomez.

But they are the chosen ones! They will break the algorithm and lead disc golf into the promised land and out of slavery in the land of Innova.

VictorB 09-17-2019 09:36 AM

Jomez is good but I'm willing to bet Innova had a good reason to go a different direction.

People defending Jomez like they are the only good production company have blinders on, to put it mildly. The field is catching up quickly (or already doing as well or better, thanks CCDG)

DavidSauls 09-17-2019 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 3497867)
But they are the chosen ones! They will break the algorithm and lead disc golf into the promised land and out of slavery in the land of Innova.

Pretty much. The same thing at the start of the DGPT season, and pretty much anytime Jomez isn't hired. People on these forums used to mock MVP Fanboys and the Salient Squad, but I think they may have been eclipsed.

Which isn't to say I don't admire and respect what Jomez is doing....but they can't be a required service of every big event.

Streets 09-17-2019 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497826)
I'll try to if my work schedule doesn't conflict. I can't do anything too physical because I'm still recovering from my surgery.

https://i.imgflip.com/3as1ji.jpg

Streets 09-17-2019 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3497877)
Pretty much. The same thing at the start of the DGPT season, and pretty much anytime Jomez isn't hired. People on these forums used to mock MVP Fanboys and the Salient Squad, but I think they may have been eclipsed.

Which isn't to say I don't admire and respect what Jomez is doing....but they can't be a required service of every big event.

Lol Salient...

Agreed. Jomez is great, and I think they are doing some of the best marketing in DG right now, but their fanboys need to dial it back several notches.

DiscJunkie 09-17-2019 10:12 AM

Personally, I don't think Innova has any obligation whatsoever to use Jomez.
Whether or not it's the best strategy is a totally different question.

They typically provide good coverage, and it will be free.
I still remember years that I had to wait to buy the DVD.

Sense of entitlement anyone?

perklc 09-17-2019 11:01 AM

And if they are using SpinTV for post, they put out a great product (other than their intro music which makes me feel like they are trying to sell me H2Flow from Parks and Rec).

turbosteve 09-17-2019 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Streets (Post 3497891)
Lol Salient...

Agreed. Jomez is great, and I think they are doing some of the best marketing in DG right now, but their fanboys need to dial it back several notches.

You're right I wasn't level headed last night when I made that post. This may actually be a good thing because Jomez is now filming the DGPT championships. Not to mention Spintv did a good job filming the European open this year and the viewership was really good. They also have videos that have received over 1 million views in the past. Its probably a good thing to have multiple channels so one media company doesn't have leverage over the sport. I also think Jomez needs to mention the tournament sponsors at the beginning of their videos.

BlueMonk 09-17-2019 11:32 AM

Edit: I just saw SpinTV is involved so my post was kind of pointless.

Ryan P. 09-17-2019 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by turbosteve (Post 3497921)
You're right I wasn't level headed last night when I made that post. This may actually be a good thing because Jomez is now filming the DGPT championships. Not to mention Spintv did a good job filming the European open this year and the viewership was really good. They also have videos that have received over 1 million views in the past. Its probably a good thing to have multiple channels so one media company doesn't have leverage over the sport. I also think Jomez needs to mention the tournament sponsors at the beginning of their videos.

There is a lot of discussion around whether tournament sponsors are also video sponsors. In my mind, if Jomez isn't being paid to come to the tournament, they can do whatever they want with their videos. If the event or someone associated with the event is paying them, that becomes a little bit murkier (it then depends on what they are being paid for). JTacoma knows a lot more than I do and has a lot of good thoughts on it.

Hampstead 09-17-2019 01:37 PM

Like any other coverage, I'll watch it once and then decide if it's worth watching again.

Gonna save my outrage for now.

DiscJunkie 09-17-2019 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan P. (Post 3497978)
There is a lot of discussion around whether tournament sponsors are also video sponsors. In my mind, if Jomez isn't being paid to come to the tournament, they can do whatever they want with their videos. If the event or someone associated with the event is paying them, that becomes a little bit murkier (it then depends on what they are being paid for). JTacoma knows a lot more than I do and has a lot of good thoughts on it.

Actually, USDGC and Innova own their tournament and the media rights.
And while they've never stopped a spectator from taking the odd picture or video, I do believe they have the right to prohibit someone who would like to film their tournament and distribute the content outside of Innova/USDGC's control.
Jamie can correct me if I'm wrong.

jvphobic 09-17-2019 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscJunkie (Post 3498005)
Actually, USDGC and Innova own their tournament and the media rights.
And while they've never stopped a spectator from taking the odd picture or video, I do believe they have the right to prohibit someone who would like to film their tournament and distribute the content outside of Innova/USDGC's control.
Jamie can correct me if I'm wrong.

This is 100% correct.

Personally I would like to see some changes to policies regarding media rights. I believe that any PDGA approved company should be able to cover any event they choose. But, the TD/primary sponsor gets to pick lead card coverage. So if they have a preferred vendor, that works out for them. And all round coverage needs to include at least 1 or 2 (30-second) commercials from the primary sponsor of the event. The primary sponsor should have first right of refusal for all other commercial spots as well if they so desire.

But, we just are not in a place where it makes sense to lock out media rights. If a crew wants to cover 2nd or 3rd card of a major or NT, they should be allowed to.

Of course, that is just my humble opinion. I am sure that some sponsors and TDs would have issues with that.

lyleoross 09-17-2019 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jvphobic (Post 3498023)
This is 100% correct.

Personally I would like to see some changes to policies regarding media rights. I believe that any PDGA approved company should be able to cover any event they choose. But, the TD/primary sponsor gets to pick lead card coverage. So if they have a preferred vendor, that works out for them. And all round coverage needs to include at least 1 or 2 (30-second) commercials from the primary sponsor of the event. The primary sponsor should have first right of refusal for all other commercial spots as well if they so desire.

But, we just are not in a place where it makes sense to lock out media rights. If a crew wants to cover 2nd or 3rd card of a major or NT, they should be allowed to.

Of course, that is just my humble opinion. I am sure that some sponsors and TDs would have issues with that.

It seems to me that the PDGA could do a package deal and control all media via an exchange of goods and services. I'm not advocating this, simply pointing out an alternative for others to fight over.

Now, media isn't going to pay for access in our sport, but ad placement and other graphics could be used instead of payment. Majors, NTs and A tiers would all come under such a process. Anything lower is up to the event.

This model gives the PDGA a bunch of power of the delivery of our sport in the media. To make it work better, I'd have a media control group that includes voices from major events to vote on and have a say in the relationship between media and the PDGA.

A lot of folks will be mad about such a thing but think what you could leverage with such a process. Advertising for other events, or across a series. Coordinated broadcasting and negotiation, top to bottom.

Yep, Innova would be upset that they couldn't go directly to SpinTV, but they are a PDGA sanctioned event. And coordinated broadcasting gives them a venue to advertise their event during other broadcast events.

Many sports leagues do exactly this. They do it for a couple of reasons, leverage of a larger product, and consistency.

befree1231 09-17-2019 07:19 PM

I just love how in a few short years we've gone from "Is anyone going to do video coverage of this event? I don't care who I'd just love to see coverage of this event because I love watching disc golf" to "BOYCOTT! RIOT! MY FAVORITE MEDIA TEAM ISN'T COVERING THE EVENT BYAHHH!!!!"

Some of y'all really need to grow up a bit and learn how the real world works, especially when it comes to business.


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