more comparable would be glow KC Pro (CFR ~ $16-17) or PM Luna ($21-22!!). Stock D Line Flex2 DM-made P2s are ~$12-13.

Agree that $20 + shipping is a lot for an unknown plastic blend that could wear out quickly. Not sure how the initial mystery box Rainmakers have held up.

I admit the supply for the new stuff has been impressive. I can walk into just about any local retailer or order from a lot of online vendors right now and easily get a P2, an MD3, an FD, a PD, or a DD3.

Job well done in that department.

This bit (amongst others) has me confused. So you're saying that you didn't have the time to split this drop into even more orders. I can definitely understand that. Logistics are a [email protected]#$&. But the reasoning is that then shipping leads would have been longer and people would have been upset?

I'm curious if the people that were frantically trying to place an order and missed out would feel even more upset if they had been successful in ordering, but had to wait a bit longer to get them? It's my understanding that those people that missed out are about to wait considerably longer to get what they were trying to order.....or pay absurd prices to the successful scalpers.

Ps.....while I admittedly sound like a d!ck right now, I do give Jussi all the credit and respect in the world for how transparent he is and how he handles everything. Easily the easiest CEO of a disc company to like and respect.

Let me see, which do I prefer…
You decide to not limit qtys, so in a few weeks I can see the S-Line TD that I tried to buy get listed on E-bay for double $$.
Or, you decide to limit qtys, and I would have to wait a few weeks for the order to ship out.
I could have waited happily, and it wouldn’t be the first time I have patiently waited for a DM delivery.
If you had waited until Fall, and limited qtys, at least I’d probably have a couple S-Line TDs.
As it is, you have fewer, larger orders and I have nothing but a bad taste…

I’m not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings, but it was a poor customer-relations decision based on your convenience.
On your part, at least you were honest. I respect that.
You responded, and I respect that.

As I said, it gets harder all the time to stick with DM, due to the Innova situation and the costly and long transition to independent mfg.
The things that are out of your control, I can forgive.
This, is harder to accept.
Your explanation, while honest, doesn’t help much.

Out of curiosity, which molds did he develop? I don't know that one can really call it a disc company until they develop and produce a disc...ya know.

DM Support,

With regards to the X-outs release:

I've only been playing for 2.5 years so I don't even bag an Innova-produced "Originals" mold in my bag, so I lack the same perspective as others who have been bagging and depending upon the same molds for years. Having said that, I can wrap my mind around both sides.

On the one hand, it sucks to see people snagging multiples of the same molds when you know that some are just going to turn them around and sell for a profit at an inflated price. People get excited to snag one of the last sought after molds only to be disappointed. It sucks, no doubt about it. Could it have been done in a "fairer" way? Yes, but I also see the practical aspect of just getting the molds out of the warehouse and clearing up the shelf and mind space. Sometimes it is just easier to move on and take a less labor intensive route. We all do it every day in our personal and professional lives even if we don't want to admit it. With the thousands of people trying to snag molds it was never going to make everyone happy anyways. That's just how it goes.

Having said that, 95% of my bag right now is a combination of Evolution line and New Original line DM molds. I love throwing all of them and I am happy to be throwing molds that can be easily replaced. I am stoked for the upcoming releases and hope to fill the current non-DM holes in my bag (Scorch - my main distance driver (Paradigm?), and Firebird - soon to be the FD3). Y'all are killing it not only from a production and quality perspective, but also from a engagement and social media perspective. I know its only going to get better.

I work as a medical provider and I deal with negative feedback from time to time for doing my job the right (and frankly only ethical) way to do it. It's just the nature of the world we live in. Look for the practical areas you can learn from in critical feedback and then move on. You'll save yourselves a lot of stress this way.

AG

I was working, set an alarm for the x-out release, heard the alarm in the middle of coordinating with three coworkers. Finally logged in a bit late to completely have missed the opportunity to be angry. I wasn’t expecting DM to suddenly release x-outs. I didn’t get any x-outs. Had I known about this weeks ago, already been invested in OOP molds, AND missed out, then I’d be camp anger.

I am curious how long DM sat on these x-outs. When Casey White went to the warehouse there were x-outs galore. I suspect innova dropped a truckload of old stock in DM’s lap… maybe part of a contract settlement? People don’t think disc golf reality show be like it is, but it do.

[waits for c-line P2 and future stock flex3 P2??] :popcorn:

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

The old smash and grab is a thing of the past. A thing that unfortunately surfaced with this x-out drop, but I try to look forward to where there is a full lineup of Discmania manufactured molds with inventory to swim in like Scrooge McDuck, instead of looking backwards to the days of old.

This may have been addressed somewhere in the thread, but any update on a timeline for S-line plastic?

Lol, that’s not S-line.




Any more.

Seeing Simons latest P2 Sky God promo made me wonder if i could make all those acese if i tryed an hour a day over a years time, , , , Simon is truely the "Sky God"

That is a classic Simon video! Although, he was only throwing in one disc at a time.

I have been throwing the Premium Sensei, and it’s a great disc, but sadly no throw-ins or aces. I will be looking for some flattish Sky God IV to transition over, and start acing it up, I’m pretty sure.

DM,

First off, congrats on the Sky God 4 Release - Sold out pretty quickly though it seems like there were enough to go around between other online retailers and brick & mortar stores. Simon is drawing huge attention. I hope he gets another limited release soon. Maybe the MD1?

Question: What is the update on the membership program that was hinted at in last year's survey? Is this still something in the works or just not happening at all? I think the concept of a membership program is very attractive for those of who enjoy supporting DM, but are interested in taking it to a different level in reward for special perks.

I hope Discmania can get the MD1 out. . thats a new disc that Simon actually throws. . most of his bag is old stuff that never going to be made again. . .but the MD1 is one of the few new ones he throws. . .please make some

I use my md1 a lot more than I thought I would. I had always used my putter for straight shots between trees before this.

I'd love a production run one at some point so I can stop throwing the one I wouldn't be able to replace if I was to lose it. Which has already almost happened twice.

When can we expect to see the new P1's?

Good job on the release today. Don't see how anyone who wanted in was not able to pick up what they want.

Stoked to get my order.

Agree.

I asked locally and the Metal Flake FD3 wasn’t available to retailers, unlike the Rainmaker (I’m staying with the P2). I hate paying taxes AND shipping… but I grabbed two FD3 anyway because wife said ok. Wanted to feel them first. No wing image Discmania?

I held off on the fd3. It was in my cart, but figured the wife wouldn't have been ok with the putters and the fd3s.

Was a tough call... Debated whether I wanted to argue why I needed more drivers.

Hi Discmania - Follow up from a year ago:

S-FD used to be my workhorse fairway driver, and I miss it since switching to lighter drivers (162 grams or less). Recently, Innova produced a batch of light Star Hawkeyes (S-FD equivalent, as I understand it) so I ordered a pile at 162-163 grams to test.

I realize that Discmania has a ton on its plate right now. Perhaps lightweight S-FDs will be available by 2023? I may need some backups by then. ;)

There are lots of creaky old disc golfers like me who prefer lighter discs. I suspect that Discmania is missing part of its potential market.

Discmania has never been big on lighter weight discs (sub 167g or so). If you need a flippier fairway driver, try the Essence and Genius. You'll probably get the flight you're looking for.

Truth

Thanks, I will check out those discs.

What I am actually looking for is lightweight and nearly stable (think perfectly seasoned 150s DX Teebird in durable plastic). The S-FD offered that flight plus surprisingly good distance for my creaky old arm.

At one point in time, I was bagging 5 different FD's in varying plastic types and weights. I'm now bagging 2, an Essence, and a Genius. And truthfully, in the woods, I'm finding myself throwing the Essence and Genius more than my FD's.

The Genius is very flippy. Probably very similar to your beat up, paperweight DX Teebirds. But in the premium plastic, it's just what you're looking for.

Allow me to pile on? Find 165-169 Essences. Easy hyzer flip, straight, fade. Easy slight hyzer, flip and glide right, land flat. Easy high anny that stays on line. Thrown hard it’s a brilliant roller, and maybe the longest disc in your bag on a wide open high distance line. My favorite disc is a 166 Essence. The max weights fly like pros throw the FD, but for regular arms.

Essence sounds like a lovely disc and I appreciate the suggestion, truly. But I do not throw drivers in those weights any more.

Companies that offer a good selection of drivers in the 150s (Innova, MVP, Axiom) get my business these days. I would love Discmania to join this group at some point, because I used to throw quite a few of their drivers.

Thanks again!

When are we going to see a stock release of the MD1 in the new C-line plastic?

I would like to see MD3 in Flex3 D-line plastic, any plans for it?

In Simons latest Vlog he said that the MD1 will be his nest sig, disc. . så not a "stock" run but maybe the Simon MD1 will be the Stock one?

So the new Cloudbreaker mold disc was offically (unoffical) leaked. When can we expect to see those hitting stores?

Just a quick shout out - I love the Rainmaker. I went from an inconsistent but usually horrible putter to someone who can put together a decent round with only an occasional miss that can be offset with a big time and or necessary hit.

looks like he teased a signature disc, might have been the MD1... cant wait!

10 min in in the video he says its the MD1.

I switched over to rainmakers when the box came out. Added a pair of glows too. I'm a bit surprised there isn't a thread about them. I rely on them a lot during rounds.

Guess I missed that lol

Discmania "must" make a disc for Eagles win, wonder what it will be?
Has his bag changed no that he don´t throw any FH. . it´s hard to tell his bag from the DGN videos

So you're telling me that Eagle won the European Open? Thanks bruh!

It should be a lefty disc for sure.

Will the new Creator Series Cloudbreakers be available to retailers or DM Factory Store Exclusive?

Dang those Triumph Series preorders went quick.