I’m hard pressed to notice any difference in feel or flight between the MD and a Mako3. Should your beloved MD cease to exist the Mako3 could fill that slot.

As long as the P2 and FD don’t disappear I’ll be good to go. And likely there is an Aviar that is close enough to the P2 that I could get by.

I wouldn’t mind seeing the FD mold get sent over to the Trilogy manufacturers for production. I would be curious to see how it turns out in the Swedish plastics.

Yeah, they do feel somewhat similar in hand. I dunno, I really like the D-Line plastic for the role that disc fills for me, I can't really throw that late-flipping turnover with a Mako3, they're much straighter and C/S plastic is way more stable. I'm sure innova does make a mold available in D-Line that would work though, you're right, just a matter of finding it. I've been throwing DM mids for so long though, I really love the family resemblance.

This is one of my issues with the smaller disc companies. They tend to have their discs go out of production/retired more frequently since they have to focus on the Return on Investment.

I try to support the smaller companies, but it is rough when they OOP/retire a disc that I use and the answer is that a bigger company makes something similar (or the exact same)...then I end up bagging the bigger company's discs...so why not just stay with them and ignore what the smaller companies have? It's frustrating.

I loved the DD Witness, but it got retired. Now I'm bagging the Innova Sidewinder instead. Same thing applies to DiscMania though...can't get a disc anymore...then get suggestions for a bigger companies disc and support for the smaller one goes away. But what else is a player supposed to do?

It's got me thinking twice before buying a disc from a smaller company....what if the disc is no longer available...maybe I should just start with the bigger company's version.

(And I'm not ragging on your suggestion to try the Mako3....it's just the "symptom" that I'm pointing out).

yes
and another run of S MD
and a run of CG MD

I need to know what it takes to get a custom run

I’ll sell my soul for a couple of Essences. God I love that disc, as it seems other people do as well. When are we ever going to see these bad boys again? Early 2020? Cheers

how are the current dd3s stability wise...i had and lost a 175 that was 2 years old...flew great some turn and glidy...have a 1st run cloudbreaker that is a little more os...l

My current stock run DD3 is more OS than my Cloudbreaker 2...the weight on my DD3 is max, and the CB2 is 171. The plastic on my CB2 has small bubbles in the rim and that may account for the lack of stability...it will flip up or turn right slightly, whereas my stock run does not show any turn. It really comes down to PLH...you will need to compare them to see what you want/need.

Simon Lizotte asked Latitude 64 disc designer Tomas Ekström to make the most overstable driver ever for Discmania's Evolution line.



They decided to call it the 2015 Ledgestone Insurance Open Cryztal FLX Tracker...oh, that name was already taken. So, they named it the Latitude 64 first run Opto Spark...dang it! That name is taken also.



It will end up being called the Tilt, and it is teased in the video, below.

Meh, Latitude plastic :(

I kinda doubt they can ask Innova to make new molds for them these days.

P1, P1X, P3, P3X, MD, MD1, MD2, MD4, TD, TD2, TDX, CD, CD2, CD3 and DD are all gone from the discs-section of the site. Many of them haven't been run for a while but there's a couple of great molds no longer featured.

Meh. If I miss anything off that list it will be the P3X or MD4.

I would like to think Discmania actually owns the molds and that if they ever completely cut ties with Innova maybe they can send them to Sweden to continue production.

I’d love to get my hands on some classic blend P2’s.

I really doubt that. Pretty sure all Originals discs feature Innova mold parts that are not going to leave the factory.

Well I picked up some classic aviars that are more domey than the flat ones I had previously tried putting with. These fly a bit more neutral, really similar to the P1. I think they will be a great replacement for the P1.

Been trying to find a value for this but can't seem to find any others. Thoughts? 175 CD3 unthrown Thankshttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...eec017e820.jpg

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Interesting. I dont think Ive seen another either and I peruse A LOT of Discmania stuff. However, as a mold I have rarely seen a CD3 net much. Perhaps the Konopiste ghost stamp ones the most.

I ended up selling it today with a couple other new DM discs. Netted about 70 for it i guess. Still not sure how I feel about it hah. Hopefully it wasn't a holy grail [emoji1787]

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if you netted $70 on a C Line CD3 (even tho a Prototype) you did well

as Flick Maniac says...the CD3 is not one of the DM discs that fetches a lot

DIscmania has said that it would only offer 4 or 5 of their molds made by innova this year. They mentioned there would be tour series cloudbreakers, night strikes, and sky gods, so Just dd3s, fds, P2s and at most a couple more molds.... maybe PDs and PD2s?? FD3s? crazy.

It's really sad to me that DM is unable to get their original discs in stock. I have been wondering what went down between them and Innova to get to this point. Think Dave D was pissed the Jussi started working with Lat64 and Yikun? Or did Jussi go to those other guys because Innova was not producing enough? Its one of those things we may never actually know, but that I REALLY want to know the answer to. *sigh* there are sooo many awesome discs that I want that are impossible to get because either they make like 200 of them once a year, or they just outright don't make them anymore. When was the last time there was an actual restock of P2s?

I was at a Dynamic Discs store yesterday. The clerks said that when Discmania started looking at Yikun and Lat64 production, Innova got ticked and added a new rule: 1 year lead time for any production orders. Not sure when that came down, but the Originals look like they might be in limbo for a year or more at least. I switched from P2 back to Wardens.

Whoah. Whichever way it was around, getting other manufacturers was totally a blessing and incredibly well timed or they would have had a VERY difficult time in 2020 with Innova only

i’m selling off a lot of my discmania. sucks to see it happening but there’s a divorce down the line with them and innova brewing probably.

it’s not too hard to find innova equivalents but i’ll be sad to see my P2, PD, FD, DD3 MD4 go. the sellers market is just to crazy now and it makes losing and buying replacements too expensive a proposition.

i’m sure their new trilogy and other stuff is good but it’s still small batches creating wild prices and subsequent pricing out of guys who just want regular discs to throw.

sad

I would not be surprised at all if this were true. It's really ****ty because they do have some awesome molds. I wonder why Innova would want/need to be so vindictive about the situation. Just because Lat64 and Yikun are competition? Discmania is basically just a distributor. Its like if Innova got mad at OTB for having Discraft do runs for them alongside getting runs from Innova. Just seems dumb for Innova to tank DM.

I’m in the exact same boat...don’t play a lot anymore so it seems to be a pretty good time to unload.

Some molds won’t have 100% replacements but as infrequently as I get out anymore I honestly don’t think it’ll be too big of a problem.

Innova may look at it as....okay, you are going somewhere else and don't need us. Fine, that's business,...but we need to know what we ARE making for you and don't want you switching in the middle. So, this is how you need to order so we can plan - you (Discmania) aren't the only ones needing our time...we can fill your order spots with other brands.

If you have any old FDs I'd take em off your hands :thmbup::thmbup:

Yeah, thats definitely a possibility. Everything is kind of just hypothetical anyways. We don't really have any hard info other than Discmania saying theyre having a hard time getting Originals.

I actually just heard back from a Discmania rep because I emailed about when the next restock of P2s would be. He said they should be in around June/July so that is pretty cool! At least we know they are going to make P2s!

My only issue with Discmania is they stopped producing my favorite disc.

I know they are a small brand.
I know they don't make their own discs.
I know they probably can't afford to continue to make discs just to make them.

But, if you stop making a main disc of mine, I'm going elsewhere and if I go elsewhere for that disc, why shouldn't I go to the other brand for the rest of my discs?

Yeah, you (Discmania) tell me you have another disc with the same flight numbers...but my favorite disc was flat-topped and perfect for a forehand. The 'similar' disc is rounded and doesn't work well for me as a forehand.

((Witness went out of production, supposedly the Diamond is their replacement - not only is the top rounded, but the weights are limited. I've tried the Diamond....I want the Witness.)).

Lucky for you Discmania doesn’t make the Witness or the Diamond.

Perhaps your angst should be directed towards another manufacturer?

:doh::doh: lol was going to say the same thing :hfive:

Dang! I can't believe I made that mistake.....I'm so embarrassed now. Worst part is that it's not the first time I made that mistake.

no worries! :thmbup:

https://www.discmania.net/blogs/disc...what-to-expect
Figured I'd copy/paste this message from Jussi into this thread. Bolding is my own.
TLDR:
- For 2021, the majority of the Originals line will remain suspended. The handful that will be offered were not specified.
- There will be some new Evolution molds released, including more Evolution Signature Series discs.
- They're going to try to provide Cloud Breakers, Night Strikes, and Sky Gods. Whether that means stock DD3's, FD's, and P2's are a part of the Originals line that will actually be produced this year, who knows.

Overall this is depressing! Have a great Tuesday everyone!

Probably Innova manufacturing schedule pushing back at the brands they produce to increase the size of the runs (for efficiency) instead of spreading it among all the lineup (switching molds takes time). We saw a few different molds get made last year but the focus was on getting the Tour Series runs done for Sky God III, Sky Rider, Iron Samurai II, Cloudbreaker II, Lone Howl II, Dark Maul II, and Nightstrike III. Also saw SE runs for the Color Glow FD3, Glow PD3, Echo DD3, and Soft P2 (will this be stock going forward?). Each of those molds (P2, PD2, MD3, DD3, PD, FD, FD3) saw new stock runs in a couple plastics during the 2020 year (along with the TD, FD2, CD2, DDx).

Going back through the somewhat regular Discmania Store emails from 2020 restocks, I didn't see new runs of P3x, P1, P1x?, MD?, MD2, MD4?, TD2, TDx?, CD3, DD2?, and MD5?. Mostly it looked like old stock in odd weights for the ones with ? from 2019 or earlier.

My predictions:
FD in stock S/C/D-line plus Night Strike 4 (in a different plastic).
P2 in stock S/D/P-line plus Sky God 4 (yet another plastic type? or cycle back to C-line?) - other than D-line probably won't overlap with Omega4/Alpaca/Firefly plastics (stiff ET/Color Glow DT/MF glow & color glow C-Blend/Nexus)
DD3 in stock S/C-lines (new!) plus Cloudbreaker 3 (remain swirly S-Line), maybe a special edition (metalflake?)
MD3/PD might be one or both. Depends if they make Iron Samurai III, Lone Howl III, Dark Maul III. If they are produced, expect all the stock plastics (S/C/D) and maybe an additional special edition.

I'd say the above are the 5 most popular molds currently in the Originals lineup and make sense for the limited amount of production time. I think everyone would be happy with more availability of the tour series discs so they will likely increase production of those and do bigger runs of the stock plastics for each.

Likely no PD2/FD2/FD3 Tour series so those won't get produced (they were produced in 2020 though). Simon moving on to the Tilt seems to replace the Sky Rider?

Could see Montgomery & Pirronen's Tour series moving over to the Evo line (Link/Instinct?) and Klein, Anttila, & Vikstrom getting a tour series in the Evo line (maybe one of the new molds?). Avery may not get a tour series disc (similar to Dana losing the Roaming Thunder CD2).

Some very good predictions in there that I can see happening. Not sure about C-line. When was the last time a recently introduced mold was offered in C-line? 3-tooled FD2 sure, but that was already available in C. DDx got done in C-line but never felt like it became popular. I see the same fate for C-DD3.

CD3/MD4/MD5 were all first released in C-Line as well. Most all of their popular driver molds have been released in C-line as well (PD2, PD, FD3, FD, CD2). Regular C-Line, Metalflake, or Luster would be pretty logical for a summer mystery box drop (existing mold, new plastic type). I remember seeing someone hint at a C-line DD3 on the DM FB collectors page some point in the last year and they start working on the next mystery box special run pretty quick after the last one gets released. I think it would sell well enough in stock form to stick around (better than overweight PD2s probably).

Panic-bought some FD2's off the Discmania site today in anticipation of the upcoming drought.

I figure with them trying to provide sky gods, NS, and cloud breakers, that means at the Innova factory while they have the mold pieces in place, why not run all of these in Star for stock runs too, and maybe D or P for the P2s.

I mean, unless they want to just run them in 100% tour series config knowing each and every one will sell out immediately? Shoot, why run stock productions of the Originals at all with the above in mind?

*nervously clutches FD collection like a dragon*

Yup...