I absolutely do not want to hurt the pros in any way, so I wouldn't want to boycott their tour series discs.

But they're not making Echostar discs because IMHO all that material is going into Swirly Stars so they can be made more cheaply. The pros get a portion of the sales of their TS discs, and that's good. But Innova is trying to make up for their costs by using the cheap material, and while I understand that and it is not wrong, they colors of the discs are :gross: .

Ergo, maybe those who know these pros can ask them to have Innova make their discs in findable colors? And maybe we can ask/tell Innova we want better-looking and findable-colored discs so we can buy more of them?

Word around the rumor mill is that Innova and Discmania are releasing some of their popular "high speed" drivers very soon in Eco-Star plastic ;)

If true, that would be a most very good thing. :thmbup: :popcorn:

I'm hoping for some eco Teebirds

That's the thing though, on this post and from a lot of people I've played with. We all complain about the colours but most of us have at least one of these discs... They unfortunately do sell pretty well.

I won't touch a swirly disc regardless of manufacturer unless I can see the disc. Last one I got sight unseen wasn't too bad, but that was a '17 Jermbird and it was a blue/grey and orange swirl. Looked awesome, but wasn't the flight I wanted. I've since only bought 1 other TS from them and that was a nice looking Sexybird I picked up secondhand. I definitely agree that DC's TS and swirl discs look much better as I've bought over 10 of them (6 were misprint Kongs, sight unseen) and have been able to throw all but 1 of them, with the 1 being a brown/blue swirl that looks awesome, but also super easy to lose.

yeah Swirly Star/S-Line discs are a fail - they almost all come out a muddy chuddy color and not only are they not appealing but difficult to see in the wild. So yeah, Discraft amazingly did the swirl WELL and Trilogy is legit with its swirl and now MVP, Streamline has excellent plastic and swirls/colors. So ....Innova/Discmania -step it up! ALSO, figure out how to NOT have flashing on every new disc I buy, its getting annoying and my fingertips don't appreciate it.

Did someone say camo?

https://www.sunkingdiscs.com/innova-...ning-star.html

That or oops discs that should be misprint or better yet scrapped due to how messed up they are yet still get sent out anyhow. I think that Star has some Factory Second. My last of the Star I got for a Shark no flight numbers is almost like G-Star flex with enough Star to it to not have the grip that G-Star has in most runs, almost like the disc got overdone and left in for another set of baking. And Flashing, that has been a problem with Star in some batches for a long time, my first Star Shark no flight numbers had so much flashing the disc was unable to be used for more then an approach disc until I was playing on a day that wind warning went out and I had to use the Star Shark disc as a windy day putter.

Also it seems that players other then the top single male at Innova are forced to use swirl star when they want to use regular Star or they want to use Pro plastic but again end up with swirled plastic for that as well, older Pro Destroyers that were Philo model come to mind. A few players at the right levels are lucky and get Shimmer Star or Luster Champion for the disc.

If I were pro with Innova at the right levels for Innova I would ask for a Pro Shark to be made as my disc with the old original 1986-early 2000's DX logo so as to have higher weights for the Star Shark then 167 gram factory second molds.

One other consideration is the fact that manufacturers are now telling us that they are adding "natural swirls" to their discs. For instance, the MVP announcement about the molds going OOP included specific language about Neutron blends with more naturally-occurring swirls (it's an artificial process, so this is a bit silly). So, as others have argued in this thread, what was once a factory second is now a premium product.

Finally, I am alarmed at the price increases. Even retailers I love are hiking up prices to $29 on "tour series" discs and other "limited runs." I worry that this might become a new normal since people buy all of the high-price discs.

We are feeding the beast. I am guilty. I will stop.