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ThrowaEnvy 09-16-2020 11:27 AM

Hygroscopic is absorbing water (from the air)

Plastic absorbing water? I can see that, before a fall/winter tourney I will store my discs inside overnight for better grip. You know what gets me is metal absorbing water as well. Have you ever welded and pre-heated or tiger torched the steel? Perhaps you have a burn barrel and when you light it you see the moisture coming out on the outside of the barrel.. That blows my mind!

KrisDG 09-16-2020 11:46 AM

Yeah, most plastics are moisture sensitive. Some more than others.
For example, can't really 3D print a nice smooth surface from a moist PTEG. It will come out all bubbly. Nylon's are even worse.

the1discChallenge 09-16-2020 12:07 PM

Looking to possibly replace some molds in my bag. Nothing drastic, but I'd like to support gyro a little more than I am currently :thmbup: I lost my Resistor today (was looking for it and pissed off some wasps :thmbdown:) and am considering picking up a 168-170g Fireball or Motion. I love the Resistor, but the wider rim feels a lot better in my hand, BUT I do like the workability of the slower speed of the Resistor. Can anyone offer advice?

I'm also thinking about replacing my Buzzz OS. Maybe having a tick more overstability would be nice, but the important thing is that it's not a dump truck. It's very workable, but reliable in the wind and on flex lines. Before this summer, I missed a bunch of releases like the Pyro and Runway, so I'm not as familiar with those molds. Thoughts?

discerdoo 09-16-2020 12:07 PM

Dude at a shop told me some of the kinda bubbly looking rims on star and champion glow plastic are due to moisture in the mold. Izzat hygroscopic?

Not talking about blizzard plastic.

Jacobpaul81 09-16-2020 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3632289)
Temperature and humidity ARE controllable. Climate controlled buildings and/or rooms anyone? It is possible. I've seen it.

Also. Having seen molding processes first hand, going to again disagree about the run/color thing. You have no idea how long a disc sat on a retailers shelf before you bought it. You don't know how long it sat in the manufacturers warehouse before the retailer got it. It is EXTREMELY possible that two identical discs of the same color were ran way farther apart than two discs of the same color. The could switch colors 5 times in one run. Then pull off that run and do another run in 2 months running 5 colors.

It's just as possible that two discs of different colors were ran in the same run vs same colors. The time at which you buy them means absolutely nothing. Example: I bought two Anodes, of the same exact color, and the same exact time, from the same retailer. One was stamped with flight numbers, one wasn't. Likely not the same run, but available at the same time at the same place. Had the stamp not changed, you'd never have known.


As far as "fanboy rhetoric", yes I'll admit to really liking MVP, and for many reasons. However, my arguments and comments here are based more on personal experience building injection molds, working in QC of a molding facility, and first hand experience in injection molding. I've seen it. I've built and maintained the tools. I'm simply sharing personal experiences.

We all can have our superstitious beliefs. That's all perfectly fine. We are all entitled to our beliefs.

Jake - I work in an archives. We struggle to control temp and humidty. Good luck in a manufacturing setting. It's not possible to maintain a steady temperature and humidity. We see 6-8 degree temperature fluctuations every day just from doors opening and closing. Lets transfer that to warehouse and add hot machines and working bodies. Temp control is out the window. Too much variation.

Superstition - sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I've been throwing for nearly 22 years. You? 4. :popcorn:

Emoney 09-16-2020 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by the1discChallenge (Post 3632403)
Looking to possibly replace some molds in my bag. Nothing drastic, but I'd like to support gyro a little more than I am currently :thmbup: I lost my Resistor today (was looking for it and pissed off some wasps :thmbdown:) and am considering picking up a 168-170g Fireball or Motion. I love the Resistor, but the wider rim feels a lot better in my hand, BUT I do like the workability of the slower speed of the Resistor. Can anyone offer advice?

I'm also thinking about replacing my Buzzz OS. Maybe having a tick more overstability would be nice, but the important thing is that it's not a dump truck. It's very workable, but reliable in the wind and on flex lines. Before this summer, I missed a bunch of releases like the Pyro and Runway, so I'm not as familiar with those molds. Thoughts?

I threw a buddies pyro not too long ago. Similar to my dga quake. It has a chunkier rim than a buzzz OS but the flight would be similar.

Runway is the same feel as a buzzz OS to me but the one i got (neutron) was pretty **** beefy...

I would try Runway first because the feel would be the same. If the flight doesnt work, try pyro

Moose33 09-16-2020 11:02 PM

I love the Pyro, it’s really controllable and can go pretty far on the right line.

jakebake91 09-16-2020 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacobpaul81 (Post 3632729)

Superstition - sure. You're entitled to your opinion. I've been throwing for nearly 22 years. You? 4. :popcorn:

Congrats? You've been throwing discs since I've been in grade school. That's cool.

I'm merely relating facts as I've learned them from experience. How many injection molds have you built? How many presses have you climbed into to troubleshoot molding issues? Have you ever actually been inside a molding facility? I thought I had a perspective to share that most people don't. But hey, what do I know? Enjoy your old stuff.

Jacobpaul81 09-17-2020 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3632753)
Congrats? You've been throwing discs since I've been in grade school. That's cool.

I'm merely relating facts as I've learned them from experience. How many injection molds have you built? How many presses have you climbed into to troubleshoot molding issues? Have you ever actually been inside a molding facility? I thought I had a perspective to share that most people don't. But hey, what do I know? Enjoy your old stuff.

I figured you were in your 20s. Jake was the most popular first name in the US from like 1990-2000. :p When my folks named me it, there was no other Jakes. I blame you for the Khakis jokes. :wall:

Hey, You've learned a lot working in a molding facility. That's great. Your facts are appreciated. Keep learning. It's good knowledge to have.

Just keep in mind - those facts and knowledge - that's the manufacturing side - not the results side. Sure - in short period - you might see semi-consistent results. But time and varying conditions will make the range of consistency in the end result expand.

That's why its imporant to obtain feedback from the client. They are the ones who will experiance the range in results. The longer they've been exposed to those results while remaining active customers, the better the feedback. :thmbup:

Jacobpaul81 09-17-2020 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the1discChallenge (Post 3632403)
Looking to possibly replace some molds in my bag. Nothing drastic, but I'd like to support gyro a little more than I am currently :thmbup: I lost my Resistor today (was looking for it and pissed off some wasps :thmbdown:) and am considering picking up a 168-170g Fireball or Motion. I love the Resistor, but the wider rim feels a lot better in my hand, BUT I do like the workability of the slower speed of the Resistor. Can anyone offer advice?

I'm also thinking about replacing my Buzzz OS. Maybe having a tick more overstability would be nice, but the important thing is that it's not a dump truck. It's very workable, but reliable in the wind and on flex lines. Before this summer, I missed a bunch of releases like the Pyro and Runway, so I'm not as familiar with those molds. Thoughts?

How you using the Resistor? I ditched mine. Now I just carry Entropy for all OS shots. It's good to 275' in the air, 400' on the ground, and it takes both fh/bh. Hell, I putt with it in the circle - I'm weird. :eek:

For the Buzzz, you'll want to test out the Matrix and Reactor. Reactor tends to be straighter and more release sensitive. The Matrix will flex more left to right more but will cover form flaws better. I like the Matrix cause I can give it some OAT and achieve fairway distances. With the Reactor, I had a tendancy to turn it over when I added OAT. It'd bomb when I didn't.


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