What's the difference between the first and second run FD available on the discmania store?

First runs have a fair amount of dome and are stable. First runs are very straight flying with a slight fade. These are harder to find. This is my favorite run of the FD and the only run I bag.

Second runs are flat and pearly (have bubbles in the rim). This disc is very stable/straight with a fade at the end of flight. This disc holds up to power well and will beat in very straight. I would say this flies slightly farther than the first runs.

Third runs flight is right in the middle of the first and second runs. I have heard this run gives the best of both worlds as far as flight goes.

Thanks D.T. :)

So P-Line FD's?

Are P2x's going top happen?!

I just got a D and X P1x, after putting with Ions last year. I liked them without the wind I was crusing from 25 ft in the garage all night, but with wind I was hoping for a little more fade.

I'm wondering If a P2 would be similar to my Ion? I don't like that I'm putting with Neutron plastic, very slick. And I would imagine a P2 with a medium bead would be even a tick more OS so I don't want to buy a P2 if P2x's will be a thing soon!!

Thanks

Nice looking glow discs in the store right now. Too bad they're all max wt. :-/

IMO MVP discs are severely lacking in glide. P2's are overstable enough to be thrown off the tee, on the approach, and obviously are great for both push and spin putters (Avery and Simon both use them, and their putting styles are very contrasting). You really can't get a better beadless putter.

Hey Guys, Sorry for taking so long to get answers posted.

Thank you for the interesting insight. We will keep that in mind for social media posts. We might have to start sharing pictures of the X-OUTS for you guys.

Thanks for the info!

Just barely made it through, Thanks for the ideas of what you would like to see for the future fundraiser discs.

P1x are restocked!

We will be getting them back in stock as soon as possible.

We will keep that in mind. Have you tried our flatter MD3?

The newest run of the Glow MD3 is even more overstable. They are up on the Discmania Store now.

What is your weight?

Interesting. We will keep that in mind for the future fundraisers.

yes for the Aussie Open fundraiser.

Do you think they are more overstable than the glow PD?

interesting. Thanks for the information.

Interesting. well at least one of those are coming for sure :)

maybe a color glow C-LINE MD3 next?

Thanks for the information. Might see those one day.

There's always a chance for more of those in the future.

Yes you will see this slot filled.

Working on it. We want it to be perfect before we release it.

Thank you for the insight. We offer the free shipping periodically throughout the year. We don't offer it at the moment all the time but we have heard your opinion.

Unfortunately I honestly don't know about this subject. I work on our discs, sorry :)

Thanks for the request. We like having all the requests, it really lets us know what you guys want.

We'll consider it for sure.

Thanks for the kind words. We try to ship out first runs and fundraiser discs bagged. Thanks for the insight on the shipping too.

Very true. The Flat runs came out really straight much like the first run Roc3s

We are working on that slot. Hopefully we will have something for you guys sooner than later.

Very good points. The variation between the the MD2 and MD3 right now is that one is flatter and faster and the other one has a bit of a dome. We are working on making our disc line up perfect. Thank you for taking the time to write out your thoughts for us.

Thank you, We will consider it for sure.

Thanks for your thoughts. Have you tried our flat C-LINE MD3s? They are very straight but can still handle the power the same way the older MD2s did.

I believe the MD3s are overstable, but i've been wrong before.

Interesting. The GM seems to have a pretty good following.

Interesting. Thanks for the insight.

The glow C-LINE MD3s are really good. Simon Lizotte is using the new domey Glow C-MD3.

Interesting idea.

Have you tried the newer run of the C-LINE MD2?

We have G-LINE FDs.

True.

We should have more of these when we get our x-out stock updated.

At the moment all of the lighter C-LINE FDs we have are the hard pearly 2nd run. Which I believe is not what you're looking for.

We will take a look at the CD2 situation and get them if they are available.

I believe we have some of the PD2s available right now. they are either mini shield stamped and stock stamped.

Interesting. Maybe we will have to take a trip over there and see if they have any left.

Thanks for the kind words. We try to help out anyone that calls in too. Anybody out there please feel free to call the store and we will try to help you with what you're looking for.

Awe thanks guys, you're making me blush.

The new glow MD3s have moderate dome. It's the most overstable mid we have right now.

First run FDs fly straight with high glide and 2nd runs fly straight with extra high speed stability and harder fade.

Thanks

Still working on a couple things first before we move on to new creations.

P2x will not be coming that soon. When we tested them the P2 was more overstable. But then again that was a C-LINE P2.

thanks, unfortunately they are all heavy at the moment. The glow C-LINE FDs are actually one of the more understable versions of the FD

Thanks, we really love the P2 it really gets the job done.


Whew! finally caught up, thanks for all of the comments and questions guys! It's great to hear from all of the current and future Discmaniacs!

Best Regards,
Ryan Rintala

Dear lord...that was a whole bunch rolled up into one. Thanks for always keeping us in the know Ryan.

If only all manufacturers had customer service like this, answering every single question in this thread. I even accidentally emailed Ryan yesterday when I meant to email a different Ryan here at work and he ended up answering a bunch of questions I had about MD2s and MD3s. Great guy to work with.

I do love how Discmania recognizes and celebrates the differences between different production runs and sells them separately with different descriptions. It makes buying new discs that much easier... but ends up hurting my diminishing PayPal balance :D

Seeing this thread is basically the reason I went out and bought 3 FD's 4 PD's 2 P1x's a glow MD3.. CD2..

And since your answered my P2X question... No worries, I already went out and bought 2 172G P-line P2's ;) my pointer finger sits absolutely perfect on that rim. I haven't gotten to putt these yet but I'm thinking they will be my main putter.

You're the bomb. My bag will always consist of Discmania from here on out.

I was wondering if you guys ever thought about making vinyl decal for cars. I know I would love to have a big discmania shield on my back window.

G-line PD2s? Bueller?

I love seeing some of the limited stock discs pop up on your store. I'll definitely be looking to pick up some more glow MD3s, etc. However, there's no way G-PD2s wouldn't be a success. I have a good mix of PD2s in the bag, but I think a G-PD2 (especially a domey one) would be perfect for big s-curve bombs after a little beating in. I have a couple first run euro-open C-PD2s but they took an eternity to get to that point and I would hate to lose them. Additionally it would be nice to have the same disc with a little less HSS. When I bagged destroyers, I went S/DS, champ DS, *D, echo DS in order of stability. It would be nice to be able to do the same with PD2s in premium plastic.

What happened to free shipping on the DM store?

They occasionally do it for special events. It's never been standard.

I doubt they would have any opposition to you having one done for yourself. They do own the logo copyrights but I think the free advertisement would be a good trade off.

After throwing X-line for the first time today (P1X), I wonder if it will be rolled out in other molds too? X-P2s are a thing I know, but maybe drivers too if it holds up well. XT PDs would be sick and with that tackyness you could get crazy snap on them too...

Does the new flatter run of pd2s have bubbles in the rim? I ordered a couple and they have bubbles, dome and fly just like the previous run. Just making sure I received the correct discs.

XT PDs, yes please.

Think you'll ever make D-line PDs?

Mine has bubbles in the rim. The plastic is also much more cloudy compared to a regular JL-plastic but not domey at all. Not nearly as OS as the previous run.

Thanks for quick response. That disc does not have the same profile as the ones I received. Mine are exactly like previous run making me think there was a mix up.

Which color did you receive? Could you post a picture of your disc?

I ordered yellow and yellow- green. I looked at a blue in a local shop and it was as flat as yours. Maybe the blues molded up flatter. I suck at posting pix from my ipad but they are as domey as the previous run.

Any chance we will see a P-Line P1x by this summer? I change putter plastic based on temperature. Would love the same mix of p-line that's used in the KP2's to be used on some P1x's.

question for ryan or anyone else that might have the answer.

I have this c-line pd, cannot figure out which run it is. All I truly know is that it's not a 1st run. It's pretty flat, very stiff, and the plastic is glass clear. I had assumed it was a 6th run based off the description on the discmania site (http://store.discmania.net/index.php...e-pd-flat.html) but I bought one from the site and the plastic was not nearly as stiff or as clear. The disc is yellow and the 6th run I bought is blue. I dunno if the color of plastic would make a difference or not.

Anyone know the run?

TLDR: Anyone know what run my flat, glass-clear, stiff PD is?

Could be 5th run. The 5th were jolly launcher as well

All the 5th runs I've seen were pop top domey. The only flat/clear/stiff PD I've seen was the first run. I have one still in a box somewhere.

Those are the 4th. The domey with clear flight plate and opaque rims

DD2?
 

What is the most true to the flight numbers DD2 that is currently being produced?

I've had several DD2's and I've really wanted to bag one as a compliment to the PD2, but they've been wildly inconsistent for me. The one that flew the closest to the advertised flight was a heavier Blizzard, but it got flippy soon after I got it. I grabbed another one and it was pretty much a roller out of the box. Tried a p-line and it was too flippy. I also have an s-line that flies more OS than my PD2's and I've tried everything to make it more stable, but no luck. Only one I've not tried is a c-line.

I'd love to have a DD2 that starts off with a bit of high speed turn and a nice hard fade. Does that disc exist? Maybe I should look at beating in a p-line PD2 instead?

I had 2 echo star DD2s and when I ordered them I asked for the highest PLH possible to make sure they were a little more stable. One of them was pretty much a destroyer mild turn followed by healthy fade and the other was like a katana where it would turn over released on a hyzer angle. I am still wishing they would make a disc in between the DD2 and PD2!

I'd definitely try the C-line. In my bag I keep 2 C-line and 1 Echo S-Line as my main distance drivers. The flight is exactly what you're describing for me when thrown on a slight hyzer.

In stability that would be a DD, though it isn't quite as fast.

The DD for me was a weird tweener between my PD and destroyers. It was just slightly faster and maybe 10-15 longer in average than my PD but less comfortable to throw and slower with about 30-40ft less distance potential than my destroyers. I just want a discmania destroyer!

I've had bum luck with the DD2(S-Line) lately The two S-Line's(New Stamp) I picked up recently were more overstable than my bubble rim C-PD2's. Anybody else have the same experience? I might try a C-Line to see if they fit the bill.

Heck yes! I have an old stamp S-line that is more OS than some of my PD2's and I've tried all sorts of things to try and make that disc less stable. Trimming flashing, throwing it directly into trees, rocks, the asphalt, tuning it... Nothing has worked. Really it's just lost a tick of HSS, but still with monster fade.

Bummer to hear the new stamp S-lines are just as OS. I'd prefer to bag the S- over the C-lines.

Thanks, we just want you guys to have the absolute best chance to reinvent your game and conquer courses.

Thanks! we just released full weight P-LINE P2s (most marked with KP2, but all from the same run)

We are always open to new ideas. We will consider it with new products.

G-PD2s will most likely happen. But it's not high speed season yet. isn't it still winter up in the northern states?

We have free shipping every so often on the store. it's not a permanent thing we offer.

Correct.

Feel free to email us about this if you're really serious. [email protected]

We will certainly consider them for future productions.

yes they still have bubbles in the rim, but the plastic is a little more cloudy and some colors even have a little pearl.

We have actually considered both. Do you think D-LINE PDs would be worth wile after 2 rounds and the outside edge is dinged up?

There are some that are domey, but not nearly as domey as the previous run. That is why we name the run "flatter jolly launcher" and not "flat jolly launcher"

Pro tip - Red & Pink are the flattest colors I've seen so far.

the Yellow/Green or dayglow seem to have the higher dome. Remember all PD2s are overstable, some just glide further than others :)

yes, picture please!

Most blues were flatter, but Pink and Red were flattest.

yes there will be a P-LINE P1x. Yes it will be KC pro material.

Is it lighter? There was a portion of the 5th run that came out flatter but they were all 165-168 and they were pretty beefy. If it's not lighter I would guess 3rd run, but you said it was clear and not pearly it's not that run.

lighter 5th run was my guess.

Want to sell it? I know a few people on the Discmania Collectors and Throwers page on Facebook that would want it.

Opaque rims came on the 2nd and 4th run. 2nd run has a plus mold rim.

So the newest S-LINE run is really overstable. The flight numbers are more like 13/5/-1/2 you really need to take the time to beat these ones in and they become your best friend. If you're looking for closest to the flight numbers I would recommend the C-LINE DD2 or Echo S-LINE DD2. If you want one that goes a bit further - look for the 165g blizzard C-LINE DD2. Even Jussi uses this specific blizzard disc. it has a harder feeling compared to the soft spongy feeling rim of newer blizzard discs.


Try our newest S-LINE DD2 with the new stamp design.

nice one :hfive:

I would recommend trying to find a domey S-LINE DD. It's more like a more dependable but still offers the glide you're looking for.

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying :)

The newest S-LINES are really firm. if you can find a soft feeling S-LINE DD2 that's exactly disc you're looking for to get further down the fairway and create a helix type flight.


Thanks for all the questions guys!
Cheers,
Ryan

Absolutely, other 1.9 sized rim discs hold up well and have a good life cycle in DX (Firebird, Viking, Valkyrie). I'd buy a stack of 10 D-Line PDs the day they came out.

I would buy 2 stacks of 10 (20 total).

There's 30 right there, how many would you need total to do a run for us?