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brutalbrutus 03-30-2020 09:09 PM

Who knows, the dude's parents could be loaded also.

DoWork 03-30-2020 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by brutalbrutus (Post 3569008)
Who knows, the dude's parents could be loaded also.


Honestly, who cares? Iím happy to see players setting the precedent of not living in a tent on tour and hope others gain the ability to follow suit. With any luck he can teach a few beloved pros how to build a successful brand/channel.

I can honestly say Iím genuinely happy for that clunky clydesdale SOB for his success, Iím glad he came over to the dark side and hope he sticks with DG and it fulfills him the way it has for me.

Hampstead 03-30-2020 11:48 PM

As of now, he's a +2 noncashing pro. So, there's that.

broomerang 03-31-2020 12:03 AM

I'm also glad he's doing well for himself. I will propose an less altruistic reason why he should donate the proceeds from his livestreams.

Him donating his proceeds from live streams to a charitable cause geared towards relief of the pandemic would also be a hell of a news story. The dude has 2.2 million YouTube followers. ESPN and the MSM evening news outlets love a feel good story. It would be a giant positive spotlight for average Americans to be exposed to disc golf.

#GrowtheSport

mizunodave 03-31-2020 12:09 AM

Yeah, good luck breaking into this news cycle with anything less than:

"Disc golfer discovers cure for coronavirus."

JuanA 03-31-2020 12:06 PM

So wait... did he keep all those donations from his 1K putt video? I thought that was all for charity?

broomerang 03-31-2020 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JuanA (Post 3569248)
So wait... did he keep all those donations from his 1K putt video? I thought that was all for charity?

Was it? I just heard he received donations which made me think, gee I hope he donates those.

I'd be very happy to hear he did indeed donate them.

JuanA 03-31-2020 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569257)
Was it? I just heard he received donations which made me think, gee I hope he donates those.

I'd be very happy to hear he did indeed donate them.

I guess I just assumed that would be the case, but after reading a few of the past comments it sounded like he was taking donations.

Maybe I just read them wrong.

broomerang 03-31-2020 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JuanA (Post 3569262)
I guess I just assumed that would be the case, but after reading a few of the past comments it sounded like he was taking donations.

Maybe I just read them wrong.

I just watched the first 5 mins of the video on YouTube. He already started getting donations and made no reference to any charity.

Bigtex 03-31-2020 12:49 PM

https://twitter.com/Brodiesmith21/st...13786572054529 this is too funny

ChrisWoj 03-31-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hampstead (Post 3569096)
As of now, he's a +2 noncashing pro. So, there's that.

All he has to do is miss cash at 3 more NTs and he matches my career as a pro.

VictorB 03-31-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569103)
I'm also glad he's doing well for himself. I will propose an less altruistic reason why he should donate the proceeds from his livestreams.

Him donating his proceeds from live streams to a charitable cause geared towards relief of the pandemic would also be a hell of a news story. The dude has 2.2 million YouTube followers. ESPN and the MSM evening news outlets love a feel good story. It would be a giant positive spotlight for average Americans to be exposed to disc golf.

#GrowtheSport

so would you donate all of the 'proceeds' from your normal job to charity?

even though people don't like it, youtubin is his job. he's still working. if he did a specific stream for charity I'm sure it would generate a lot of interest and donations. I think that's what the 1000 putts stream was? But I didn't really watch that for long

broomerang 03-31-2020 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3569273)
so would you donate all of the 'proceeds' from your normal job to charity?

even though people don't like it, youtubin is his job. he's still working. if he did a specific stream for charity I'm sure it would generate a lot of interest and donations. I think that's what the 1000 putts stream was? But I didn't really watch that for long

Thatís a false equivalency. My normal job is 8 to 5. If I receive a donation from a fan (not possible in my line of work but Iíll continue) during this time of health crisis in the country I absolutely would donate it.

Brodieís normal job is some combination of direct pay from Discraft, YouTube views, signature disc sales, and other sponsorship money / bonuses. The donations he received from a stream are not part of his income, they are gifts. He should donate them given the current state of the health crisis in the community. (He May have already done this but I didnít see it but neither did I watch the 4.5 hour video).

If Brodie was counting on random gifts from strangers to pay his bills and mortgage than heís a panhandler. I have no sympathy for that when there are homeless people and children who go hungry.

Letís not kid ourselves. Brodie is very successful and he probably works harder for that success than most realize. Heís figured out how to ďmake itĒ playing sports that arenít mainstream. Thatís cool. He doesnít need those stream donations though and we all know it.

Again this isnít coming from a place of hate or jealousy. I will lose a lot of the respect Brodie has earned from me over the last few months if heís pocketing those donations though.

Chains Bailey 03-31-2020 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ray1970 (Post 3568859)
Hmm. Iíd be impressed and surprised if his deal netted him much money.

I would estimate he makes at least $75,000+ base with Discraft. Then add all the merch' he wants - paid entries - bonuses (Although these are useless right now) - travel - ans so on.

He is more popular than all of our top players combined and companies recognize that in terms of $$$.

I would guess there are only two players with larger contracts, overall - PMcBeth and PP. Add to that, I think that only PMcBeth and maybe PP are moving as much product. I have a feeling BroSmith may be moving more than PP.

DiscFifty 03-31-2020 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3568845)
Dude has a contract with Discraft, he doesn't need donations to pay his bills. Check out his video from today, he's outside his home (which looks to be worth $1-2 million if I had to guess).

From what I've read he's not on a salary like Paul (and maybe Paige), strictly royalties from disc sales.

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Originally Posted by rocthecourse (Post 3568920)
I'd be surprised if Brodie doesn't make over $50,000 from disc golf this year. I can see him easily making a lot more than that.

https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/brodiesmith21

His youtube channel was literally worth...millions at one point. Now it's around 100-200k annually if you average out the social media trackers, etc. He's great for the sport, I hope he can afford to stick with disc golf full time while riding out the pandemic.

Chains Bailey 03-31-2020 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569298)
Thatís a false equivalency. My normal job is 8 to 5. If I receive a donation from a fan (not possible in my line of work but Iíll continue) during this time of health crisis in the country I absolutely would donate it.


Me too - I am in 100% on this...

I just have to decide which of the following will help with this HEALTH CRISIS the most:


- Bailing out all current debt of postal service

- 10k bailout for student loans

- Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance

- For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers

- Retirement plans for community newspaper employees

- Funding to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts

So many to choose from....

ChrisWoj 03-31-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chains Bailey (Post 3569317)
Me too - I am in 100% on this...

I just have to decide which of the following will help with this HEALTH CRISIS the most:


- Bailing out all current debt of postal service

- 10k bailout for student loans

- Corporate pay statistics by race and race statistics for all corporate boards at companies receiving assistance

- For companies accepting assistance, 1/3 of board members must be chosen by workers

- Retirement plans for community newspaper employees

- Funding to the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts

So many to choose from....

So, as you're railing against a counter-proposal that the House never formally introduced... You must have been for the proposal including a $500B limited-oversight slush fund that it was introduced to put pressure on?

VictorB 03-31-2020 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569298)

If Brodie was counting on random gifts from strangers to pay his bills and mortgage than he’s a panhandler. I have no sympathy for that when there are homeless people and children who go hungry.

Smashboxx, DGPT, anyone on Patreon and basically every twitch and youtube live streamer depend on this kind of thing to keep doing what they do. Panhandling? They are providing a service (entertainment). People who consume their products get to pick what level they support at.

PBS is 'free' and they ask for donations. Is that panhandling too?

I think most reasonable people can see the difference here. Of course, if you have the means it would make more sense to donate to a local food pantry before throwing down that $5 superchat to get your name called on a youtube stream

Chains Bailey 03-31-2020 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3569326)
So, as you're railing against a counter-proposal that the House never formally introduced...

You do realize that some of these non-HEALTH CRISIS items actually are in the bill, right?

Not "railing", just pointing out pure ignorance and lunacy on our governments part.

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Originally Posted by ChrisWoj (Post 3569326)
You must have been for the proposal including a $500B limited-oversight slush fund that it was introduced to put pressure on?

Irrelevant. That would be a fallacy of relative privation - "Not as bad as" argument.


From the post above, I think NPR received millions as well or PBS....either way, that funding will SAVE LIVES!

BigFlickLuke 03-31-2020 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3569330)
PBS is 'free' and they ask for donations. Is that panhandling too?

We pay for that propaganda, actually. And yes, they are panhandlers.

VictorB 03-31-2020 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFlickLuke (Post 3569342)
We pay for that propaganda, actually. And yes, they are panhandlers.

thanks for helping me figure out who to put on my ignore list

BigFlickLuke 03-31-2020 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3569349)
thanks for helping me figure out who to put on my ignore list

Don't worry, anime avatar. I'm not offended.

broomerang 03-31-2020 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3569330)
Smashboxx, DGPT, anyone on Patreon and basically every twitch and youtube live streamer depend on this kind of thing to keep doing what they do. Panhandling? They are providing a service (entertainment). People who consume their products get to pick what level they support at.

PBS is 'free' and they ask for donations. Is that panhandling too?

I think most reasonable people can see the difference here. Of course, if you have the means it would make more sense to donate to a local food pantry before throwing down that $5 superchat to get your name called on a youtube stream

There's a significant difference between income from subscriptions and donations. You're absolutely correct that people get to choose at what level people support content creators. I'm not complaining that the guy makes money. My point is he doesn't need donations from a stream to feed his family. Lots of other people are in a bad place right now during the health crisis. If the people donating aren't smart enough to give their un-needed money to those in need, perhaps Brodie could lead by example and donate their gifts in kind.

This is literally what I called for at the start of this exchange. I think Brodie is the kind of guy that would agree with my assertion. I don't know him at all though, and I hadn't seen any news that he had done so in this case. This is my personal opinion and it's coming from a positive place and that circumstance is why I posted in the first place.

More and more in this country if you suggest people take an altruistic action you are attacked for suggesting they don't deserve their success. Greed has become an expected part of our daily lives, it's sad really.

PBS is a non-profit organization that employs thousands of people, supports content creators that don't have a means to distribute their work, or get paid to do it (although PBS has been purchasing more and more media from big production companies in recent years which is also sad).

Brodie Smith YouTube productions are not a non-profit organization. Yes there are similarities in respect to funding content you enjoy directly but these 2 are not equivalent. Not legally equivalent either by the way.

Panhandling was a strong word and I choose it specifically: Those who engage in panhandling are usually destitute. Brodie is not. Is he begging for donations? No, not from the 5 minutes of the video that I saw. So if you take exception to that choice of wording I understand but it draws a strong distinction between those really in need and those playing disc golf outside their brand new, very large home.

brutalbrutus 03-31-2020 07:48 PM

He also did 5 giveaways I think. The last one was a Bose speaker/headphones of some kind which probably aren't cheap.

DiscFifty 03-31-2020 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569383)
My point is he doesn't need donations from a stream to feed his family.

I'm saying he probably does. He went from being worth millions (and bought a home based on that lifestyle probably) to being worth only around 150-200k a year or potentially much less. Donations, views, ad rev, etc, etc, it's all called "income" for youtube content providers, that's how they make their living. You should check out the donations some of those popular video game players get. We're talking...1000s of dollars. Related, check out "Mr. Beast" on youtube, he's donated 5 and 6 figure donations..at one time before. Insane....

Deej 03-31-2020 09:36 PM

Brodie’s money. It’s not our business. What he does with his funds are up to him.

broomerang 03-31-2020 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3569502)
I'm saying he probably does. He went from being worth millions (and bought a home based on that lifestyle probably) to being worth only around 150-200k a year or potentially much less. Donations, views, ad rev, etc, etc, it's all called "income" for youtube content providers, that's how they make their living. You should check out the donations some of those popular video game players get. We're talking...1000s of dollars. Related, check out "Mr. Beast" on youtube, he's donated 5 and 6 figure donations..at one time before. Insane....

I canít wrap my head around your viewpoint.

You assert heís worth millions and bought a giant house. Now he only makes low 6 figures and so we should take pity on him and agree that he needs donations from strangers to survive?

Thatís a very distorted view of the reality and shows zero empathy for people who are actually struggling.

I think itís absolutely insane that these video game streamers exist and make millions. What a sad state of the world that this is true while at the same time children go hungry.

The same goes for mainstream pro sports with the star athletes making 10,20,30 or even 40 million a year. Or CEOs making similar compensation or higher.

brutalbrutus 03-31-2020 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569551)

I think it’s absolutely insane that these video game streamers exist and make millions. What a sad state of the world that this is true while at the same time children go hungry.

The same goes for mainstream pro sports with the star athletes making 10,20,30 or even 40 million a year. Or CEOs making similar compensation or higher.

This might make you go actually insane rather that just thinking its insane. The highest grossing youtuber last year is a child who does toy reviews...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/highest...n-kaji-gamers/

2019 youtube income... $26,000,000.00

:|

broomerang 03-31-2020 11:31 PM

That is insane! I hope they use their excess wealth to help those less fortunate than they are.

DiscFifty 04-01-2020 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569551)
I canít wrap my head around your viewpoint....You assert heís worth millions and bought a giant house. Now he only makes low 6 figures and so we should take pity on him and agree that he needs donations from strangers to survive?

wow...lots of twisting my words there. I said in the past his youtube channel was worth millions. It hasn't been worth that much in years imop, that was in his hey day when he was getting millions of views....per....video. (Roughly 3-5 years ago) And I never said take pity on him...jeesh...wth. My point is...you said he shouldn't take donations, my point is donations are a part of every youtube content provider's revenue stream. That's just how it works. Maybe some people don't realize the difference between Brodie the youtube content provider and Brodie the disc golf player.

It's pretty easy to guesstimate any youtube content provider's income. Youtube on average pays around 2k per million views, looks like Brodie has around 1-2 million views the last 30 days. Sure to the noob those 2+million subscribers look like lots of $ signs, but it's obvious based on his view counts most of those subscribers are not tuning in and probably don't have notifications turned on. Personally I hope he brings back the trick shot vids, no one did it better. Would love to see them with disc golf discs this time around.

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Originally Posted by broomerang (Post 3569551)
Thatís a very distorted view of the reality and shows zero empathy for people who are actually struggling. I think itís absolutely insane that these video game streamers exist and make millions. What a sad state of the world that this is true while at the same time children go hungry. The same goes for mainstream pro sports with the star athletes making 10,20,30 or even 40 million a year. Or CEOs making similar compensation or higher.

wowza..mega topic drift... Yes..it's insane to think how much society is willing to pay to be entertained.

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brutalbrutus 04-03-2020 04:59 PM


brutalbrutus 04-03-2020 05:16 PM

^that was pretty bad. A couple funny parts but the rings flew worse than a dollar store dog frisbee, lol...

grube.fresh 04-04-2020 12:35 AM

This was about as interesting as watching him throw bicycle inner tubes.

rocthecourse 04-04-2020 02:58 PM

In my experience with Aerobie ring it takes 5-10 throws plus tuning after each throw to get it tuned enough that you can start to get good distance(and you will still have to tune it every few throws.)

Brodie also made a small error when the Aerobie turned left and he tried to throw it softer. He needed to bend it down a few times then throw it harder.

I would like to see Simon, Eagle, or GG try out the Aerobie and see what kind of distance they could get.

jakebake91 04-05-2020 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rocthecourse (Post 3570903)
In my experience with Aerobie ring it takes 5-10 throws plus tuning after each throw to get it tuned enough that you can start to get good distance(and you will still have to tune it every few throws.)

Brodie also made a small error when the Aerobie turned left and he tried to throw it softer. He needed to bend it down a few times then throw it harder.

I would like to see Simon, Eagle, or GG try out the Aerobie and see what kind of distance they could get.

I don't think he was trying real hard to get them to go far. I remember throwing one of those as a kid. At like 14, I could get one to go the length of a football field. Takes lots of tuning and trial and error, but the will flat out bomb when hit right.

brutalbrutus 04-05-2020 11:58 PM


armiller 04-08-2020 10:13 AM

Yeah, the Aerobie video was a bit frustrating to watch. He was trying to put way too much hyzer on them. They also tend to do best without trying to overpower them. And, personally, I've never found that much changed with the "tuning."

I'd love to see a second video with an Aerobie re-attempt after some practice. Those things are fun to throw and to watch.

Jimb 04-08-2020 11:11 AM

So what flight pattern does a well thrown Aerobie have? I threw one with a buddy of mine about 30 years ago. If went way farther than our Frisbees, but was always out of control. :D

armiller 04-08-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimb (Post 3572372)
So what flight pattern does a well thrown Aerobie have? I threw one with a buddy of mine about 30 years ago. If went way farther than our Frisbees, but was always out of control. :D

I play catch with my wife routinely, and I love throwing forehands and backhands. Gentle flex lines are fun. With a little more power, it does tend to go very straight and seems to do better with relatively low lines instead of high distance lines that disc golf drivers do well with.

I think it's a pretty similar line to any disc, but it's VERY "stable" in the sense that a Comet or lid is stable. Less turn and less fade overall. In other words, its flight numbers for turn and fade are both pretty close to zero. Speed is probably in the 2 to 4 range, and glide at least a 4 or 5. But the key is the relatively flat release, and like a Comet it seems extra sensitive to OAT.

I remember the first time I played Cliff Stevens, there was a dad out there playing with his elementray school age kid, and the kid was using an Aerobie Pro ring. It worked pretty well, and was obviously the kid's best option for distance, but I believe I did watch him grip lock it into the water. Bummer! And the warning on the disc is correct: it didn't float.


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