grip is not nearly as durable as ESP plastic in my experience. I had their original poppy-top drivers in grip line plastic, and they definitely showed wear and tear early and often. I liken it much more to Pro / X type plastic.

I love my Zero Hard Pures. I used to putt with Medium Warlocks and the new hard plastic feels similar in stiffness but very grippy. I putted with the eze Pure for a little while I just did not like that plastic. I find this new Zero Hard to be way more durable also. I am very impressed so far. I have been hitting some huge putts lately.

Lol those drivers were the WEIRDEST sounding when they hit anything... ESP is probably more durable true like a star plastic but my first pure I bought many years ago, still has its stamp even and stable flying with lots of dings and blemishes from driving but would say its more durable than a pro/x those are buttery IMO where the grip is more like ESP/Star in that sense but yes, slightly less durable the feel is great though'

haha, They definitely made some strange sounds. I loved my Primitus. Wasn't a fan of the Medius, though. If I recall correctly, it was a bit fast for a mid (and was pretty long for a mid, too), and it's stability was greatly effected by the speed you threw it at. If you eased off the gun in order to lay up it would fade out hard. But if you cranked on it to tap into that extra distance it was capable of it could flip over too easily.

But **** that plastic was super, super grippy.

Are recylcled line pures really made of Goldline/opto plastics? I am afraid of getting the Zerolines from the reviews of what the majority of people say. I have a grip pure (its really just amazing i wish i had gotten more) and I want more pures, but not in Zero.

I think the recycled GL's are made only from GL plastics.

I bought a bunch of TM2 Pures from GGGT, they have them on sale for $8, but they told me I got the last 3 max weight (176g).

If you don't like the new Zero plastics you could try those. Personally I love the TM2s.

ill check those out thanks :)

The RGLs are a mix of old Gold Line with some Opto mixed in with it. They are domey compared to the other plastics.

I was a huge fan of the TM2 plastic (start out waxy, but they break in to feel great) until I tried an Opto. They're pretty close to being as flat as the TM2s and are incredibly durable. Since I only drive and approach with them, I stopped carrying TM2s in favor of the Optos. I've been throwing my first Opto a ton for almost five months now, and it's dinged up a bit but still flies like new.

A local guy had one of the new zeros, and I hated it. way to soft and rubbery for my taste. He loves it, so I guess to each their own..

Good thing I have a good stack of the old "good" zero

Good to know about the RGL's.

I should add that I only use my Pure from about 80 feet and in. If I used them for drives and approaches I would also go with Opto.