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10-16-2020 09:55 PM |
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Originally Posted by SaROCaM
(Post 3644906)
The flawed comparison is the one you made because you are comparing yourself and seedlings to average novices who aren't on here dissecting form and doing drills. Of course you will be throwing farther than those players.
Players such as yourself and seedlings = apples
Players who are casual novices = oranges
You are the one comparing apples and oranges. I am saying you need to compare apples to apples.
Here is the breakdown as if it were an experiment:
Player 1 and Player 2 are both physically capable males between the age of 45-48 with substantially similar experience.
Player 1 uses method A. Player 2 uses method B
Player 2 achieves superior results to Player 1. Since factors such as age, experience, effort, etc. have been held equal, and the differentiating variable is which method each player used, it follows that method B yields superior results to method A.
Yes, you are both above average, which is precisely why comparing the two of you is more appropriate than comparing either of you to other novices. That pool of players has a wide variance in age, experience, time spent throwing, time spent studying form and technique, etc. You and seedlings have more attributes in common, so it is less likely that another variable accounts for the difference in results. In other words, it is easier to isolate the variable that accounts for the difference in results since other variables are substantially equal. "ceteris paribus" if you will.
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If everything were documented in a perfectly controlled environment this may be true. But, we aren't in that environment and there are too many variables and unknowns and circumstances that make this almost impossible to measure this way.
For example, We dont know the physical abilities and/or limitations that each player had to begin with. We also don't know where each player started from to begin with (what distances each had starting out, dominant arm or not, etc). We also don't know which method each player is using. We thus do not know which method is better or superior. Other variables come into play like weather and elevation, practice location circumstances (throwing flat, downhill, uphill, into wind, downwind etc). On top of all that you have actual distances vs. Internet distances, measurements based on ? Does it allow for total distance or where it first touches ground. If it is for total measurement including skip are both playing surfaces the same? So many variables...
I can only vouch for myself. When I started LHBH it was very hard to get used to the actual handling, grip, guidance of the disc as my left hand is my weak non dominant hand. It took several weeks just to be able to get to where I felt comfortable even holding the disc. It took 6 weeks just to figure out a grip that didn't feel awkward. My putting sucked so bad lefty thst I couldn't even make a putt from inside 10 feet. So, I spent a lot of time over the first 6 weeks just throwing putters to get the feel right. I went through a period where I heard Mcbeth say something about throwing a 1000 putts a day or something. So, I did that every day until I could make a putt from 10-15 feet. I literally threw thousands and thousands of putts just to where I could be comfortable doing something that was completely uncomfortable and make a 10 foot putt left handed! That was time that could of been spent throwing drivers and working on distance. During this period I was throwing tons of putter rounds at the course mostly working on control and watching as much videos and reading forums as I could. The one advantage I had was that from the beginning I knew what the sequence was for throwing with the body. Overall, I think you have to factor this into the equation. On top of that, we have no idea what limitations or circumstances player 2 has in starting out.
Based on this alone I think it's kind of apples and oranges trying to compare player 1 with player 2. It's very possible that if I was using player 2's methods I would be stuck at 275 feet right now. And it's also very possible that if player 2 were using my methods he would only be throwing 275 feet right now. We conceptualize things different in our minds. I honestly believe I'm throwing very similar to a normal players throw right now. I conceptualize it differently but the result is the same as someone else who conceptualized it differently. My throw isn't unorthodox at all. I try to emulate what the top pros do just like everyone else. I just see the how and why differently than most. Where the rubber meets the road is results, plain and simply. I'm happy with my results so far. I've far surpassed my own goals for where I want to be throwing as a lefty. As I've said before, anything now is pure bonus. I've got my body conditioned now to where I can play and throw for several hours everyday with no pain and very little fatigue. I know my mechanics are sound because I can throw with very little effort and do it for hours on end. My arm literally never gets tired or sore even after a 2-3 hour throwing session. If I had incorrect mechanics there's no way I could throw hundreds of throws 300+ feet in a row during a session. The only part of my body that really gets fatigued is my hip from all the bracing. So I know I have a good brace.
I would be interested to know the circumstances of where Seedlings started. I think it's great he's throwing as far as he is. But in that same breath I'm very well pleased with my own distances considering overcoming my awkward off arm issues. |
