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ThrowaEnvy 12-10-2022 08:46 PM

How does the motion fit in against a fireball?

I got a 159 fireball and it might as well be a mid...

Got some throws in with the entropy, at 174 it may be more stable than a zone. My 168 ish SE is much more workable

strunk flugget 12-10-2022 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrowaEnvy (Post 3856283)
How does the motion fit in against a fireball?

I got a 159 fireball and it might as well be a mid...

Got some throws in with the entropy, at 174 it may be more stable than a zone. My 168 ish SE is much more workable

Iíve heard the motion is even more OS with slightly less glide. Iíve only ever tried the fireball and it was OS enough for me that I never felt like trying the motion.

Moose33 12-10-2022 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ThrowaEnvy (Post 3856283)
How does the motion fit in against a fireball?

I got a 159 fireball and it might as well be a mid...

Got some throws in with the entropy, at 174 it may be more stable than a zone. My 168 ish SE is much more workable

My 169 Motion is more overstable than either Fireball I have. The Flare is typically more OS than either of them and thatís the one I bag.

Sheep 12-11-2022 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrowaEnvy (Post 3856283)
How does the motion fit in against a fireball?

I got a 159 fireball and it might as well be a mid...

Got some throws in with the entropy, at 174 it may be more stable than a zone. My 168 ish SE is much more workable

Motion is more overstable than fireball.

If you want overstable and no glide, throw a fireball.

If you want a better firebird, throw a motion.


And yes.
Entropy more OS than a zone.

Stabilizer and runway are closer to a zone.

Stabalizer is like a less fadey zone though. And the runway never took off, it was kind of a DOA mold.

The stabs are good, but just not talked about much. More like an Xsoft, or a zzone.

The electron entropies fly more like people expect a zone to fly. But not a production run.

Sheep 12-11-2022 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Moose33 (Post 3856307)
My 169 Motion is more overstable than either Fireball I have. The Flare is typically more OS than either of them and thatís the one I bag.

The only 9 speed more OS than a flare is a Tilt.

Sheep 12-11-2022 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Muiriddin (Post 3856067)
I am curious about the rhythm as well, my under stable drivers/fairways are still mostly above 170, and my few attempts at lighter have not gone well. It may not have been a fair comparison. Since I still primarily throw forehands, I may have dropped into OAT, noodle, forehand mode!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jj9CcEIxAwY

I did a video on the Rhythm for my circuit.

Now, for the circuit, it had different flight numbers from MVP listing it as a -3 turn, 1 fade.

Now the disc is listed as -2,1.


In the video that is a black play grey rim. 171g.

I stand by my theory that in axiom you need to pay attention to rim color as the rim colors cool a bit differently and will give you slightly varied flights in the same run.

As witnessed during the circuit, most of us had fairly flippy ones. A few had really flippy ones, and a couple players got not so flippy ones.

I just picked up a new one to go with my white/red collection. (Curse MVP for no longer doing jellybean stamp, idiots)

This one is stickered at 161, I kinda want to throw it. It's such an easy throwing disc.

I'd say its a slower impulse though, not a slower virus.

As for the numbers change, I have no answers there. I cannot fairly compare my 2 because of the weight differences being far to great to give me good enough information to see if it was correct or not, but I can attest that my circuit one was at least a 2.5 to 3 turn. It was effortless to throw big hyzer flips with it.
But the thing I did like is, you could effortlessly throw 300 with it flat if you powered down.

ThrowaEnvy 12-11-2022 08:57 PM

So, I tried to do paperwork and my dogs was going nuts bored. Stress yawns.. Passive aggressive bad mopey attitude, more stress yawns..

Plus side I went out and threw for a couple hours. :D

Went with 170 p virus, 171 rhythm, 155 plaz inertia, 164 n motion. No relays were handy.. 174 plaz entropy, and a uplink/glitch because otherwise I would have less fun.

The motion is awesome, exactly as billed. Thanks for the info! It lost out to a 155 fireball in the last "F I hate wind I need a disc for this "draft"" flies further, flare skips well. Respectable distance. Very pleasant, if it holds up to some wind and I can throw a thumber on #20 it's in the bag. Well I should pull out the fireball first but nice! I bought a backup 158 SE motion it was some.......

FB clone on FB auction action

:D read that 5 times fast!

Entropy played well once I stopped bein a puss. Wow! Caught me by surprise, maybe that's why they haven't been making light ones lately. Once I gave it some 45 degree nose down OAT I was getting my 180' dead straight ish. Little beefy for me for approach, got on top of it a few times and it blew 20' past the pin. I can see the appeal for the big kids too. Putts like my envy had a lovechild with a brick.... But in a good way. Might as well be throwing a horseshoe but also in a good way. Wind putting will be the test, I still prefer my 168 SE but the lighter grams will be the death of me.

Been packing a 172 neutron HW SE envy and liking the drop-ins, solid performance at 20-25' in over my 165's. Good for tonals... and FH's. Kind of a 3 envy bag minimum/10 discs. So the entropy is going to have to putt to get in. The hex is also good for that spot but I digress... as I find my other beer and a pot pie for the oven...

The 171 rhythm.. What can I say except initial results were outstanding! I may have made a mistake backing up my R2 L2 signal. But I can't say no to $20 discs haha.

I should have had a relay but the rhythm throws a lot like the best of all 3 discs I had. It was closest to my 155 plaz inertia but with more air. Kinda like a relay/insanity lovechild. Little more wing, rims kinda dented in like the insanity, nice mild shoulder to moderate dome. It rode the steep downhill like a laser, the thing that the virus does when you get it perfect. It's first throw was downhill 40 degree, and stunning. Tracked straight with a touch of turn and very moderate lazy fade. Like I guess I will get out of my hammock fade.

I cannot begin to explain to you how important a hole that is for me to test out discs on but you figure out the break over and you figure out what would happen if you could throw 50 ft further, it simulates windage etc... it's a very fast way for me to define where the fine line is on stability.

Things got better from there... Little turn baby fade, did about 20 reps in the field with all the drivers...managed headwind and tail (light to little gusts)). For the most part it autocorrects to straight. It does what a broken in relay will with a larger margin of error and extra glide from a flat throw. I love that it likes flat throws. It does not however enjoy radical nose down FH's, I think it's a hyzer flipper there but my not an expert my FH is getting better and useable... I will no longer answer F Off! to: "Princess Sissy Flick" :D but I know I can't blame the disc for its shameful FH performance.

Nailed a couple upshots a'la the signal. Little more turn, little more touch, little more glide. I should have had the relay :(

Pooped it kind of on a few tunnels, one was a slow fade at 25% at 180'ish from not getting enough on it.. Lazy fade.. Did the same thing again, heading DOT for a tree at 50', it started getting out of the hammock, slowly dodged the tree and rode a very lazy fade another 140' further only wandering 10' off line. :D amazing!!!!

It holds a turnover better than a virus, has slightly less distance potential but less wander, again wider margin of error, little less fade than the virus. Also more HSS wind resistance in a weird way. Just pushes straighter turns without burning.

Weird throwing a fuller weight disc with such solid results. The flat tunnel shooting aspect is great, further updates as events warrant, I need to throw a pot pie on a pan and publish this novel on Amazon.

Monocacy 12-11-2022 09:28 PM

Your novel is greatly appreciated, especially the Rhythm chapter. :thmbup:

Anyone tossed a light Rhythm to compare and contrast? :)

ThrowaEnvy 12-11-2022 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3856427)
Your novel is greatly appreciated, especially the Rhythm chapter. :thmbup:

Anyone tossed a light Rhythm to compare and contrast? :)

Hmmm not yet, I was looking up flight numbers...

# 7 -2 1...

Kinda wondering when release was...

Fell over a 161g white Rhythm with a pink rim, unlike all the other offerings.. So another $37 CAD but I will let you know soon...

Someone, take, my phone, away.... Please! I hope I get outbid on that glow hex.....

gooberau 12-11-2022 10:54 PM

The Rhythm is probably a month or two away from Australia, but I’m looking forwards to throwing one.

I’m enjoying my Relay / Crave / Servo combination at them moment, but thinking I have Craves that cover that off. My oldest Crave is more U/S than my oldest Relay, I have about 15 Craves that fly the same as my CN Relay, and my Proton Craves fly like my Servo. No idea where the Rhythm will fit in there. I lost my Ascend on the weekend so that is one decision point fewer to mess me up. Ain’t disc golf great.


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