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Flick Maniac 09-07-2021 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by fishballer06 (Post 3751666)
For me, the Splice is a far different disc than the FD3. It's much more OS and has significantly less glide.

Yeah but I like to throw a lot of wildly flexing forehand shots with the Fortress. Perhaps the Glow FD3 will stay too, we'll see.

wims 09-07-2021 10:58 AM

I saw Jomez claiming that Eagle through a C-line Tactic during the Maple Hill DGPT. Did they run this in c-line, or was it Opto (or whatever Discmania calls Opto) plastic?

Flick Maniac 09-07-2021 12:29 PM

Thats a funky one. They did it in new C-line (i.e. "Italian blend"). Likely a goodish while if ever, before it makes its way to consumers. First instance of a Frankenstein combination (plastic from one line injected into a mold from another) that I know of.

fishballer06 09-07-2021 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wims (Post 3751691)
I saw Jomez claiming that Eagle through a C-line Tactic during the Maple Hill DGPT. Did they run this in c-line, or was it Opto (or whatever Discmania calls Opto) plastic?

Eagle's been throwing that disc for a few weeks now. I'd expect there's going to be quite a few oddball variants of molds/plastic types coming up that they will make just for the pro guys. Maybe eventually we will get to see some of them come to production.

oldmandiscer 09-07-2021 09:33 PM

My guess is that Jussi is finding out that making discs isn't that easy. They had more production with Innova I think, considering we have seen such few discs made so far. Maybe the discs are made and on there way, getting late in the year though.

@CD- 09-08-2021 10:49 AM

Cloudbreaker 3's/other tour series prioritized + ramp up for Holiday mystery boxes most likely. Still haven't seen Perkins/Montgomery/Klein tour series discs this year. Maybe the upcoming DM hosted DGPT match play championships or USDGC will see some of those drop.

First batch of stock production P2s are reaching dealers now with release date in a couple weeks. They had the giveaways for C-line MD3 and DD3 prototypes in the past month which have been arriving at their destinations.

Still plenty of Evolution and Active line discs available on shelves, just not the new Splice/Mutant & limited Tilt.

Being prepared for the holiday season demand and start of 2022 'season' are likely reasons for the slow rollout of their own DM produced discs.

Flick Maniac 09-08-2021 10:57 AM

Flex 2 D-line P2s drop on Sep 21st.

seedlings 09-08-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3751977)
Flex 2 D-line P2s drop on Sep 21st.

Drop to where? DM site? Vendors? Eagle and Simon only?

robdeforge 09-08-2021 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3752020)
Drop to where? DM site? Vendors? Eagle and Simon only?

https://www.discmania.net/collection...ts/d-line-p2-1

and I think vendors will have them then, but I'm not sure about that.

Flick Maniac 09-09-2021 05:04 AM

For sure on the website at least. For vendors, depends on the vendor if they have gotten them in storage, but I've seen social media posts where they have a box of em that says do not sell before 21 sep 9 mountain time (iirc).

biscoe 09-09-2021 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3752172)
For sure on the website at least. For vendors, depends on the vendor if they have gotten them in storage, but I've seen social media posts where they have a box of em that says do not sell before 21 sep 9 mountain time (iirc).

Yeah- Raptor's Roost got ours the other day. Box has a a big reminder on it.

robdeforge 09-09-2021 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Flick Maniac (Post 3751671)
Yeah but I like to throw a lot of wildly flexing forehand shots with the Fortress. Perhaps the Glow FD3 will stay too, we'll see.

I haven't thrown the splice more than a handful of times (maybe literally 5) but fishballer is right. it's VERY OS. but I've never thrown a fortress or glow fd3 so I can't compare to those. I am planning to keep both the splice and sexton FB in the bag

Discmania_Support 09-09-2021 09:39 AM

Discmania Support Reply
 
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Originally Posted by dehaas (Post 3731815)
Has it been decided if some of the molds within the Originals line will be retired altogether or possibly see a slight redesign to minimize overlap with other models?

Iím thinking along the lines of the TDx, which didnít really have a lot of turn. P3 wasnít a ton more OS than the P2 (although shaped way different). PDx, PD3, and PD2 have similar numbers, things like that.

Some of those were similar enough to existing models that I think they may have cannibalized each other. Having control of the design provides an opportunity to spread models out a bit. Totally get putting the priority on high demand models, but some of those lesser known models could be resurrected into something pretty sweet.

These New Originals will be essentially a reintroduction of the line into the world. Everyone will certainly have their favorite model that isn't in direct spotlight that they'd like to see made first but we'll need to start with the staples of our line first and then add the next ones over time. 2023 should bring a pretty healthy assortment of molds but 2022 will be comprised of much larger inventory with a smaller selection of Originals discs.

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Originally Posted by ttstreamer (Post 3733473)
I was wondering if the MD3 release is also coming with the D-line plastic or is the first release only C-line release?

C-Line!

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3737241)
Hey Discmania manufacturing dudes and lady dudes, when do MD3s drop?

TBD, likely October

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Originally Posted by Brodysseus (Post 3738645)
What are the chances we see Geo Instincts?

There are chances of that for sure but nothing has been planned at the moment. Geo Line is essentially reserved for box sets at the moment for the most part.

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Originally Posted by SuperWookie (Post 3739855)
Does Discmania or anyone here know approximately when the new PDs will be coming out? All they have said about all the new Originals is: sometime in Q3/4. Which could mean in a few weeks or Christmas. Just wondering if they will be more likely next few weeks or months or not till end of year?

PD should arrive Q4 this year. FD, too. (not FD2 :) )

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Originally Posted by fishballer06 (Post 3740670)
I really want to throw the Splice. It feels good in the hand. But I don't want to throw my Primal edition and ruin its value. When will we be seeing the stock runs?

Splice is similar to Mutant with production challenges. Both have been added back to the list as we've fixed both molds and can resume. Early 2022 for both is now more likely than this year.

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Originally Posted by phishbiscuits (Post 3744598)
It looks EXACTLY like Chameleon. I didnít think that the ďEYETALIANĒ plastic was in use beyond the MD3 and DD3, currently.

A few pages back, though, there was a comment about the Italian plastic pellets (why thatís actually a selling point is odd - Italy isnít known for petrochemicals) finding their way to the Latitude facility.

Just making sure. Thanks all!

It looks like people just didn't dig in the right olive garden to find this plastic. Itsa gooda, we promise!

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3751495)
Hey Discmania - Any plans to make the Essence in weights < 165 grams? 150s would be even better, from my perspective.

Thanks!

This is probably the most challenging thing at the moment. It will remain a goal to do so but producing discs in lighter weights than 165 is difficult with these machines. Lots of waste

B The V 09-09-2021 11:26 AM

I don't use youtube or Instagram all that often but wanted to share my experience with the new prototype dd3. The plastic is grippy and somewhat firm. A lot firmer than previous runs of c line. I have thrown the disc probably 10 times in a field and it is holding up well. It never landed on gravel or hit a tree, but I still believe this plastic will be as durable as the Innova c line. The flight is a bit more OS compared to a flat s line dd3 max weight, a domey s line dd3 max, and a domey s line dd3 167 gr. It's by no means a pd2 but it definitely comes out of a flex for me sooner than the others. I can throw 380-400 or so on a perfect line and conditions, but I'd say 340-360 is my consistent distance so factor that into my experience. I'm glad I got the chance to try this out early and can't wait to see the rest of the lineup in some new Discmania plastic.

biscoe 09-09-2021 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3752202)
This is probably the most challenging thing at the moment. It will remain a goal to do so but producing discs in lighter weights than 165 is difficult with these machines. Lots of waste

Can you elaborate on this? Why so? Thanks.

discerdoo 09-09-2021 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by B The V (Post 3752218)
I have thrown the disc probably 10 times in a field and it is holding up well. It never landed on gravel or hit a tree, but I still believe this plastic will be as durable as the Innova c line.

Champion type plastic holding up well after 10 throws in a field? Amazing!

B The V 09-09-2021 01:03 PM

Sorry boss, let me go throw it in a parking lot for you. Sorry the review didn't suit your standards.

discerdoo 09-09-2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by B The V (Post 3752244)
Sorry boss, let me go throw it in a parking lot for you. Sorry the review didn't suit your standards.

Yeah, do better next time. Smack a tree or something.

Hyzer Ale 09-09-2021 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3752202)

PD should arrive Q4 this year. FD, too. (not FD2 :) )

Awesome, PD and FD are both a staple in my bag. FD2 is also, but I have a good enough stock of them to make it until 2023 if that is how long I have to wait.

wolfhaley 09-10-2021 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by discerdoo (Post 3752224)
Champion type plastic holding up well after 10 throws in a field? Amazing!

I know right. That's why I'm going to Montana, gotta beat these VIP Northmen into something workable before I die. 😉

(Kinda true though)

seedlings 09-13-2021 10:23 PM

Looks like the stock run of P2 releases Sept 21st per DM site, and a vendor is limited to one box of 46 putters (according to one random YouTube video).

runningDoc 09-14-2021 10:44 AM

i haven't given up on discmania discs (used to bag around 50% discmania 50% innova) but I did sell off whatever I could replace with innova equivalents for now.

i sold off all my DD3, MD3, MD4, P2 and PD because i loved those discs but its prohibitively expensive to try to keep throwing them as well as finding backups in case of loss/breaking discs/etc.

i figured the prices were so high for those last old school discmania discs it was a good way to just buy replacements with the offset prices i was selling them for. was sad though, like giving up perfectly awesome discs that I actually threw (didn't collect or planned to flip) and had so many sentimental memories where cardmates would ask (dang what disc was that?) I'd say something like... "it's a PD its like a mellow firebird with monster forward progressing skip" or "this is a P2 its an overstable aviar" and a week later that guy had a PD and P2 in the bag and he was raving about how much he loved the new discs.

there was a time when you could buy the discs at retail, then they got popular and pandemic (which is a good thing - popularity and not discmania's fault - pandemic) made discmania releases and even just stock crazy expensive. i understand al the manufacturers discs rose in prices due to pandemic induced scarcity.

I'm going to wait maybe 1-2 years with the new original's line until they get a steady stream of stock and prices won't be so prohibitive... then maybe get back into discmania stuff.

I did keep all my FD's though. I was lucky enough to build up enough backups and couldn't find the equivalent in innova (tried the leo3 and teebirds) and well I love the FD and wanted to keep at least one discmania disc mold in the bag because I still love the brand and hold out hope that Dismania discs original lines will be available at stock/retail pricing in the future.

seedlings 09-14-2021 10:49 AM

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Kyle Klein is bagging an unreleased S-line DD3.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...1&d=1631630947

discerdoo 09-14-2021 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by runningDoc (Post 3753445)
i haven't given up on discmania discs (used to bag around 50% discmania 50% innova) but I did sell off whatever I could replace with innova equivalents for now.

i sold off all my DD3, MD3, MD4, P2 and PD because i loved those discs but its prohibitively expensive to try to keep throwing them as well as finding backups in case of loss/breaking discs/etc.

i figured the prices were so high for those last old school discmania discs it was a good way to just buy replacements with the offset prices i was selling them for. was sad though, like giving up perfectly awesome discs that I actually threw (didn't collect or planned to flip) and had so many sentimental memories where cardmates would ask (dang what disc was that?) I'd say something like... "it's a PD its like a mellow firebird with monster forward progressing skip" or "this is a P2 its an overstable aviar" and a week later that guy had a PD and P2 in the bag and he was raving about how much he loved the new discs.

there was a time when you could buy the discs at retail, then they got popular and pandemic (which is a good thing - popularity and not discmania's fault - pandemic) made discmania releases and even just stock crazy expensive. i understand al the manufacturers discs rose in prices due to pandemic induced scarcity.

I'm going to wait maybe 1-2 years with the new original's line until they get a steady stream of stock and prices won't be so prohibitive... then maybe get back into discmania stuff.

I did keep all my FD's though. I was lucky enough to build up enough backups and couldn't find the equivalent in innova (tried the leo3 and teebirds) and well I love the FD and wanted to keep at least one discmania disc mold in the bag because I still love the brand and hold out hope that Dismania discs original lines will be available at stock/retail pricing in the future.

I have enough PDs and FDs with varying stability to get me through for a couple of years.... I think. Grabbed up several of some runs I liked previously and have rarely resisted any I've run across in used bins.

My DM premium portfolio consists of - I used NS1, 2 NS3, 2 RT and 5 DM2. I generally bag a DM2, love the NS1 but can't convince myself to bag it. Pretty silly what those 10 discs are worth.

Edit - I forgot about my 2 second run FDs, haven't bagged them in a while. Curious what they're worth these days.

runningDoc 09-14-2021 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by discerdoo (Post 3753455)
I have enough PDs and FDs with varying stability to get me through for a couple of years.... I think. Grabbed up several of some runs I liked previously and have rarely resisted any I've run across in used bins.

My DM premium portfolio consists of - I used NS1, 2 NS3, 2 RT and 5 DM2. I generally bag a DM2, love the NS1 but can't convince myself to bag it. Pretty silly what those 10 discs are worth.

Edit - I forgot about my 2 second run FDs, haven't bagged them in a while. Curious what they're worth these days.

i remember when i made an all glow bag at the beginning of 2021 and its almost all discmania, glow c P2, color glow MD3 color glow FD, color glow PD, and realized that the discmania stuff was way too expensive to throw in dark/leafy conditions where discs are bound to be lost :doh:

it was a miracle to even make a bag with those discmania discs in 2021 without spending a fortune, but i traded some of my pricy innova stuff for what I needed and instantly regretted when the NS1 FD would hit off a tree into a pile of leaves in december in near darkness during glow rounds.

the 2nd run FD can net anywhere from 80-150$ depending on color/weight/condition.

i remember building up a stack of 2nd run FD just because in the beginning people hated them because they were so much more overstable than regular FD and I just wanted to simplify my # of molds and got rid of my brinster teebirds for the 2nd run FD. I ended up selling them off for $40 each and felt guilty way back in 2016 for selling them off for that much. lol

robdeforge 09-14-2021 02:13 PM

3 md3s and 5 fds for me, but I really wish I had picked up more md3s back in the day. especially color glow! I also knew a kid who collected a lot of discmania and then switched brands, so I could have gotten a fat stack of md3s for cheap... d'oh. hopefully discmania will be able to produce some of the new ones in premium plastics like that with similar results

Discmania_Support 09-15-2021 08:40 AM

Discmania Support Reply
 
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Originally Posted by biscoe (Post 3752221)
Can you elaborate on this? Why so? Thanks.

Making discs lighter than 165g requires something to fill that negative space in order to bring the weight down, such as air in most cases. More often than not it creates more waste than is produced and even those that are successful aren't typically production quality. Latitude did make the air line at one point but hasn't actively produced them for a while for this reason. We'll keep working on it.

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Originally Posted by robdeforge (Post 3753534)
3 md3s and 5 fds for me, but I really wish I had picked up more md3s back in the day. especially color glow! I also knew a kid who collected a lot of discmania and then switched brands, so I could have gotten a fat stack of md3s for cheap... d'oh. hopefully discmania will be able to produce some of the new ones in premium plastics like that with similar results

C-Line MD3 coming soon!

seedlings 09-15-2021 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3753735)

C-Line MD3 coming soon!

Sweet. Dates when you can. Also dates on the DD3 & FD (oh, and S-line versions).

robdeforge 09-15-2021 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3753735)
C-Line MD3 coming soon!

appreciate the response! any chance you can hint at the possibility of future special blend MD3s? will be glad to pick up some c-lines but would love to be able to look forward to some other stuff too :)

Huk Finn 09-15-2021 08:17 PM

My wife has a 150 class 12x Firebird, couple Champion Rocs and CE Leopard. None are bubbly. What was Innova doing before the Bubbly Blizzards.
Her old 150 class gems are nice.

oldmandiscer 09-15-2021 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Huk Finn (Post 3753978)
My wife has a 150 class 12x Firebird, couple Champion Rocs and CE Leopard. None are bubbly. What was Innova doing before the Bubbly Blizzards.
Her old 150 class gems are nice.

I was thinking the same. I've always heard that the plastics have weighting agents added to them to bring them up to weight. I am guessing the 150 class discs had less weighting agents added, maybe even none.

Maybe by having less weighting agents in the light discs they were getting more F2 discs for some reason? So they decided that going blizzard was more cost effective? Just my guess anyways.

Or maybe the weighting agents are already added prior to purchasing the plastics?

Someone knows.

seedlings 09-15-2021 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmandiscer (Post 3753997)
I was thinking the same. I've always heard that the plastics have weighting agents added to them to bring them up to weight. I am guessing the 150 class discs had less weighting agents added, maybe even none.

Maybe by having less weighting agents in the light discs they were getting more F2 discs for some reason? So they decided that going blizzard was more cost effective? Just my guess anyways.

Or maybe the weighting agents are already added prior to purchasing the plastics?

Someone knows.

Thread about weighting agents: https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=139542

cheechmo 09-15-2021 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by runningDoc (Post 3753445)
I did keep all my FD's though. I was lucky enough to build up enough backups and couldn't find the equivalent in innova (tried the leo3 and teebirds) and well I love the FD and wanted to keep at least one discmania disc mold in the bag because I still love the brand and hold out hope that Dismania discs original lines will be available at stock/retail pricing in the future.

Have you tried the Infinite Centurion? Heard itís supposed to be pretty close to an FD.

dehaas 09-16-2021 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Huk Finn (Post 3753978)
My wife has a 150 class 12x Firebird, couple Champion Rocs and CE Leopard. None are bubbly. What was Innova doing before the Bubbly Blizzards.
Her old 150 class gems are nice.

I canít say for certain, but been playing a while myself and read the Dave D thread on the old PDGA forum religiously. He talked a lot about weighting agents, I would guess that the plastic used back then was maybe a lower density and a weighting agent was added to achieve heavier discs?

So now itís a more dense plastic and negatives are used to bring weight down instead of vice versa. Old 150 class plastic was always super gummy also, weighting agent stiffened it up a bit for heavier weights?

Disc design itself comes into play also, wider rimmed discs have more mass along the outer edge. So do sales numbers, for a long time manufacturers claimed that light weight discs just donít sell. I think thatís shifted somewhat in more recent years, but lighter weight stuff is still a minority.

Discmania_Support 09-20-2021 11:51 AM

Discmania Support Reply
 
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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3753779)
Sweet. Dates when you can. Also dates on the DD3 & FD (oh, and S-line versions).

Not yet! DD3 and FD are still scheduled for this year

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Originally Posted by robdeforge (Post 3753917)
appreciate the response! any chance you can hint at the possibility of future special blend MD3s? will be glad to pick up some c-lines but would love to be able to look forward to some other stuff too :)

No spoilers!

robdeforge 09-20-2021 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3755176)
No spoilers!

I've been complaining on and off in this thread for so long that 1) I'd like to apologize for all the complaining and 2) I almost forgot what it's like to feel excited! glad to have that back :clap:

seedlings 09-20-2021 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by robdeforge (Post 3755234)
I've been complaining on and off in this thread for so long that 1) I'd like to apologize for all the complaining and 2) I almost forgot what it's like to feel excited! glad to have that back :clap:

I considered all our talk ďconstructive complaintĒ.
:thmbup:

ray1970 09-20-2021 08:54 PM

If you havenít seen the P2 commercial (the one with the Alpacas) itís pretty funny.

Also, tomorrow is the big day where everyone who wants some P2ís can get some. Iíll check fifteen minutes after the launch to see if theyíre sold out.

Jolt 09-21-2021 07:42 AM

The biggest store here in Sweden got 900pc P2s . . sold out i a few hours.

"demand a fully meet" . .

ray1970 09-21-2021 11:12 AM

Well, tried to get some white ones. As usual, was logged in and added two to my cart immediately and used Apple Pay to check out quickly but they sold out.

Managed to add a couple of gray ones to the cart but was unable after several attempts to check out due to some sort of payment processing error so I gave up.

Oh, well.


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