My cd2 does not have same stability as my neutron volt FWIW. Cd2 has more turn where Volt flies on a rope with no turn. Ymmv

well you know innonvas specialty is variation so depends which ones you get

guess there is some glideless thb and some hella os ones and some perfect ones

pds are about the same i used to have a honey pot stash but i sold them all so i could buy a bass (guitar) back in the day

im not up to date on the pd but it appears they have wildly varied over the years

i threw pds back in the glory days when ppd were available

really were spoiled cuz all discs like volt pd thb saint pro vulture and so on could work

Problem with the Plaz Volt is that they have not ran any in so long. I have been looking for at least a year for a sub 170g (mine is a 168) backup.

I have never thrown anything that can resist wind in multiple directions yet still have glide, other than a Plaz Volt. Very unique, I don't see a replacement for them. The closest thing I have found is a 150 class Banzai, but those have a much harder fade... I bag both even in my small bag.

You'll definitely need to work a PD in for a Volt flight. Lots of folks swear by a pro Thunderbird but sounds like they vary widely.

Should I brag about my small stack of unthrown P-PDs?

i got a 169 unthrown pink plaz volt

ppd and some of the gstarrr pd were close enough to volt in flight to my noodle arm

Bidding from wolfman starts at fiddy dollah.

Yeah I just threw a Vulture in the bag. That's a slot I honestly don't even use that often anyway. It's brand new ESP, we'll see how it goes.

Had to come here to tell you about my early reactions about the Reactor (lol :D). I have now played couple of rounds with it in the bag and I really think it's going to stay there. If I would compare it's flight to some better known discs that I have thrown in the past it would be some where between Emac Thuth and MD4. It is really HSS. I can't get it to turn on flat release even in to straight headwind. Today I had a 90m long hole and I threw it past basket outside the circle. Really long and fast disc. Really enjoying it so far!

So it's a lot like a matrix?

So Funny. When I switched to MVP a couple years ago, all you guys on this forum did was talk up the Vector and Axis. I hated the Buzzz and Roc. The Axis and Vector were "ok".

But when I got my hands on the First Run Neutron Matrix, holy ----. I throw that disc on nearly all shots 250-350'.

So... one mans' trash, another mans' treasure. :popcorn:

I gave it a couple weeks in primary approach / putter duties. The lack of fade made the disc useless to me. Most of my typical shots would glide past the basket, down the hill, and into the creek, lake, ravene, fill in the blank. Back to Envy / Entropy for me.

Haha am I the only one not getting this thing figured out? I'm obviously a big Envy guy but the Ohm is addictive... I need to get another one and increase the sample size... I get great placement with it though consistently, just can't get a zero fade haha ha f***

That's how I felt about the Comet when I first got it. I'd drive that s*** until you figure it out. Give it some one disc rounds anyway

Honestly it sounds great but also sounds close to a Proxy with maybe a little more glide, and maybe slightly more fade? I love my Proxy and I have Comet for long no fade duties so I just can't see myself needing it....

A good pairing helps, I have trouble with one disc rounds I always wanna throw two. Seems my soft worn electron Envy's are the closest pairing, with a little correction usually hyzer.

I get a straight drop with my plasma Proxy and I find it more of a single turn disc, it's also 4+ yrs old.. The Ohm is like a micro S or straight to late (like last 5%) tiny wandering hyzer that land 15' right (LHBH). I suppose I should pull the proxy out and try some rounds with it. You're right you probably don't need it. :D I don't "need it" it's probably going to interchange with a beat E Envy and maybe kick the Spin if it keeps wearing in. It's scary similar to my most beat Envy and slightly more stable HSS wise.

I bought 2 and gave them every shot I would give to an Envy (and many I'd throw an Entropy at) and my assessment = Not for me. I just don't like approach discs that don't fade. Others will love it. :p

That sounds perfect for me.

And that's why they give us variety. :)

There's no one size fits all.

Anyone feel like telling me how a couple 156 plasma tesla will fly compared to a 162 fission?

How about 161,62,63g plasma waves I've never seen em at that weight range. I've got 155 plasma and neutron waves.

Pretty stoked, I was after Monocacy's three matched 157 plasma insanity's for some consistent throwing stock and I asked for some throw in's. Turns out I just backed up my prime bag more or less. Real excited for some matchy match action. More throwing less walking.

They're still in his FSOT.. Just saying. Buy them before I do... I have Inertias I don't need them. I don't think. **** it's tough when a dude throws your bag or the same girls Haha "gyros" and is selling stuff.

Apparently he doesn't throw your bag anymore.

Gyro thread is kinda dead lately, I guess all y'all are butt-hurt over them dropping molds. Envy is still my primary throwing putter and my seasoned 168g N Inertia is kinda magical. Unfortunately I can't seem to duplicate it with new or used Inertias I've tried.

Heh. Oh I think we still have a fair amount of overlap.

And, in other news, I am very interested to hear what folks think about the Reactor.

sorry I snagged that inertia
 

Haha, I know.. I've got a couple 155, 157 white (i hear those are the money) first run inertias that are awesome. I just got a 159 white off Monocacy

Have you tried the insanity's? I was thinking about it in but I'm hesitant... I have a bunch of inertias I wouldn't say they are all over the place but it's tough getting a new one to where mine are now and I can't shop in person and check PLH. I got a 165 plasma insanity but it didn't handle the same, I feel like it would get there if I didn't lose that thing with its stupid dirty gold color first.

Ps loving the ohm tonight :D

I've actually been bagging a N Insanity around the same weight lately and it just doesn't flip up as sweet as my money Inertia. Threw them both doing field work yesterday and definitely noticed the difference. I have a few Insanitys as well, searching for the magic.

Have you tried Plasma Insanity? That's the magic disc, imo. :D

I got this one used 8+/10 but it scaled at 176g and it's almost puddle top. Been a while since I threw it but I think I remember it being less stable than my others.

Hmm, never seen a puddle top Plasma Insanity before. Most of mine have a little shoulder and then a gentle dome.

I'll maybe post some profile pics of it with an N and a P. My proton actually has the higher dome. P Insanity was actually my intro to gyro drivers and it's definitely easy distance. I found that Inertia in a used bin and like the flatter profile for FH.

How can you identify a first run Inertia? I have one other that is close to my fave but it's grass green so I don't bag it.

Hmmm I would call my insanity more of a flat top with an "edgy" shoulder line right where the inside of the rim is.

Only way I know my inertias are first run is because I remember buying them. First driver available in sub 170g weights. It was either with my dealer order when I spread the love in 2011.. 2012? or shortly after. I was just as excited for those as regular production Ions. Have you tried the plasma inertia?

I get preferring a flatter profile for FH, flatter discs just seems to release more cleanly.

The Neutron Insanitys that I have seem to be flatter than their Plasma brethren. I don't know if that is why I prefer how the Plasmas fly for me.

I dunno runs but Inertia was approved in 2014 and it has been a few years since I used Inertia as my main DD, so . . .

Haha I was thinking about that.. The volts came in on my dealer order, I know I awaited the inertia because of the weight. Two very solid discs out of the gate.

ive been searching for a slightly more stable insanity/inertia. is the lift somewhere between wrath and those 2?

I love my proton insanity. Been my go to driver for a few years now. Recently added a plasma wave to try an eek a little more distance out. Haven't thrown it enough to really know what I have there. But I'm a huge insanity fan. Granted, my sample size is only one. But that one is money!!

I have heard that about the lift but can't comment. I love inertias, the disc that has stolen a heavier inertia/stable spot is a neutron Wave. My DD's are usually 157 ish. Wave winds a tighter S or more stable downhill for me. Feels good too.

Wave to Inertia is kinda like Envy to Atom feel and flight difference. With reversed glide, the Wave is my longest disc.. I'm just going to stop now.

The Lift flies like the numbers suggest -1.5/2 turn (if you throw 350+). It has some dome so it has a gradual predictable turn and more glide. I would say its Streamlines best disc.

Its closest to a inertia but better in every way. *The cosmic Lift are coming out a tick more OS when new.

Example: if i have to place a drive down a long tight straight fairway 350+, im pulling this disc.

Yeah its right between those discs if you ask me, more stable than Inertia but way less stable than Wrath

I lent a buddy a plasma 170 proxy and a 165 electron spin.. He let someone else throw it.. Short answer is I'm not sure about parting with the Spin but the guy dug the proxy. Either way I said whatever if he likes em it's more money for the SE Ohm fund haha. Going to be throwing those a lot I think.

I'm also curious about Reactor Intel.. I don't really need that these days, Relay/ Envy do a lot of that work but the numbers and stuff sound pretty awesome. I just want to know if it's as awesome as it sounds... it will just get me hyped up more for their next step down, touch glidey, gyro mid Haha.

It's going to have a wing like a vector and throw like a heavy 176 (to be exact) Vertex, glide like a lighter beat to sweet Axis and ignore wind like a Tangent. It will be called the? Capacitor!! that's my call.

Should have names the cosmic plastic Flux...:D

Yes I am very interested to hear more about the Reactor. Usually if a new mold is great (or even not great lol) you hear people raving about it online. Silence is not encouraging.

I'm currently throwing a Fuzion Truth as my stable-ish mid. If Reactor is similar to the Truth and fits my FH grip I would probably do a showdown. If Reactor is more stable/OS than the Truth I might carry both.

But I'd love to get some feedback rather than adding to my already embarrassing pile of discs I'm trying to sell. :D

Look man, I was chilling in the hot tub and I thought about it from an electrical perspective. I still want to back Capacitor as a name but Inductor would make more sense..

There's a time constant for charging rates.. I think it's 2 x Pi x R (resistance)x I (inductor(nope wrong formula cut that)) x C... there's a correlation there, maybe it's IRC squared but.. technically, or non so really, an inductor smooths the curve and a capacitor stores energy and absorbs the punch. Capacitor should be the other end of a Reactor on the stable side and Inductor should be a touch disc..

If they made a new plastic it could be a D-Capacitor haha

I bought one. I have yet to throw it because of staying at home unless working or getting groceries. I figure there hasn't been much discussion of the Reactor because of the virus situation. When folks can get out and throw more, you'll hear about it.