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@CD- 06-22-2022 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Agarner14 (Post 3817701)
Rainmaker is being released (Glow D Line Flex 3) in Mid July - $19.99.

Innova sells their glow d-line plastic for $12.99. I can't believe they are selling a baseline plastic putter for the same price as the premium plastic in the Evolution line. I definitely don't mind supporting Eagle (Assuming that is where 20-30% of $$$ is going), but man, $20 for a baseline putter is pretty wild.

more comparable would be glow KC Pro (CFR ~ $16-17) or PM Luna ($21-22!!). Stock D Line Flex2 DM-made P2s are ~$12-13.

Agree that $20 + shipping is a lot for an unknown plastic blend that could wear out quickly. Not sure how the initial mystery box Rainmakers have held up.

ray1970 06-22-2022 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3817703)
Surely you must notice that the recent releases of all new Originals discs have been fluid, flawless, and with ample inventory for all. We're very proud of that.

I admit the supply for the new stuff has been impressive. I can walk into just about any local retailer or order from a lot of online vendors right now and easily get a P2, an MD3, an FD, a PD, or a DD3.

Job well done in that department.

jakebake91 06-22-2022 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3817703)
Logistical assumptions here are correct, however. We don't have the time at the moment to limit and segment these into 3000-5000 orders or you, the customer, aren't going to be happy waiting for your order to be shipped in a few weeks. Each action we perform has causes, benefits and ultimately, always a consequence no matter what.

This bit (amongst others) has me confused. So you're saying that you didn't have the time to split this drop into even more orders. I can definitely understand that. Logistics are a b@#$&. But the reasoning is that then shipping leads would have been longer and people would have been upset?

I'm curious if the people that were frantically trying to place an order and missed out would feel even more upset if they had been successful in ordering, but had to wait a bit longer to get them? It's my understanding that those people that missed out are about to wait considerably longer to get what they were trying to order.....or pay absurd prices to the successful scalpers.

jakebake91 06-22-2022 03:25 PM

Ps.....while I admittedly sound like a d!ck right now, I do give Jussi all the credit and respect in the world for how transparent he is and how he handles everything. Easily the easiest CEO of a disc company to like and respect.

DiscJunkie 06-22-2022 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3817703)

Logistical assumptions here are correct, however. We don't have the time at the moment to limit and segment these into 3000-5000 orders or you, the customer, aren't going to be happy waiting for your order to be shipped in a few weeks. Each action we perform has causes, benefits and ultimately, always a consequence no matter what.
.

Let me see, which do I prefer…
You decide to not limit qtys, so in a few weeks I can see the S-Line TD that I tried to buy get listed on E-bay for double $$.
Or, you decide to limit qtys, and I would have to wait a few weeks for the order to ship out.
I could have waited happily, and it wouldn’t be the first time I have patiently waited for a DM delivery.
If you had waited until Fall, and limited qtys, at least I’d probably have a couple S-Line TDs.
As it is, you have fewer, larger orders and I have nothing but a bad taste…

I’m not trying to hurt anyone’s feelings, but it was a poor customer-relations decision based on your convenience.
On your part, at least you were honest. I respect that.
You responded, and I respect that.

As I said, it gets harder all the time to stick with DM, due to the Innova situation and the costly and long transition to independent mfg.
The things that are out of your control, I can forgive.
This, is harder to accept.
Your explanation, while honest, doesn’t help much.

gammaxgoblin 06-22-2022 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3817718)
Ps.....while I admittedly sound like a d!ck right now, I do give Jussi all the credit and respect in the world for how transparent he is and how he handles everything. Easily the easiest CEO of a disc company to like and respect.

Out of curiosity, which molds did he develop? I don't know that one can really call it a disc company until they develop and produce a disc...ya know.

Agarner14 06-22-2022 09:20 PM

DM Support,

With regards to the X-outs release:

I've only been playing for 2.5 years so I don't even bag an Innova-produced "Originals" mold in my bag, so I lack the same perspective as others who have been bagging and depending upon the same molds for years. Having said that, I can wrap my mind around both sides.

On the one hand, it sucks to see people snagging multiples of the same molds when you know that some are just going to turn them around and sell for a profit at an inflated price. People get excited to snag one of the last sought after molds only to be disappointed. It sucks, no doubt about it. Could it have been done in a "fairer" way? Yes, but I also see the practical aspect of just getting the molds out of the warehouse and clearing up the shelf and mind space. Sometimes it is just easier to move on and take a less labor intensive route. We all do it every day in our personal and professional lives even if we don't want to admit it. With the thousands of people trying to snag molds it was never going to make everyone happy anyways. That's just how it goes.

Having said that, 95% of my bag right now is a combination of Evolution line and New Original line DM molds. I love throwing all of them and I am happy to be throwing molds that can be easily replaced. I am stoked for the upcoming releases and hope to fill the current non-DM holes in my bag (Scorch - my main distance driver (Paradigm?), and Firebird - soon to be the FD3). Y'all are killing it not only from a production and quality perspective, but also from a engagement and social media perspective. I know its only going to get better.

I work as a medical provider and I deal with negative feedback from time to time for doing my job the right (and frankly only ethical) way to do it. It's just the nature of the world we live in. Look for the practical areas you can learn from in critical feedback and then move on. You'll save yourselves a lot of stress this way.

AG

seedlings 06-22-2022 09:35 PM

I was working, set an alarm for the x-out release, heard the alarm in the middle of coordinating with three coworkers. Finally logged in a bit late to completely have missed the opportunity to be angry. I wasn’t expecting DM to suddenly release x-outs. I didn’t get any x-outs. Had I known about this weeks ago, already been invested in OOP molds, AND missed out, then I’d be camp anger.

I am curious how long DM sat on these x-outs. When Casey White went to the warehouse there were x-outs galore. I suspect innova dropped a truckload of old stock in DM’s lap… maybe part of a contract settlement? People don’t think disc golf reality show be like it is, but it do.

[waits for c-line P2 and future stock flex3 P2??] :popcorn:

Flick Maniac 06-23-2022 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ray1970 (Post 3817711)
I admit the supply for the new stuff has been impressive. I can walk into just about any local retailer or order from a lot of online vendors right now and easily get a P2, an MD3, an FD, a PD, or a DD3.

Job well done in that department.

THIS. SO MUCH THIS.

The old smash and grab is a thing of the past. A thing that unfortunately surfaced with this x-out drop, but I try to look forward to where there is a full lineup of Discmania manufactured molds with inventory to swim in like Scrooge McDuck, instead of looking backwards to the days of old.

RightAJ 06-23-2022 09:39 AM

This may have been addressed somewhere in the thread, but any update on a timeline for S-line plastic?

gammaxgoblin 06-23-2022 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RightAJ (Post 3817864)
This may have been addressed somewhere in the thread, but any update on a timeline for S-line plastic?

https://proshop.innovadiscs.com/full...stic+Type=Star

seedlings 06-23-2022 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gammaxgoblin (Post 3818172)

Lol, that’s not S-line.




Any more.

Jolt 06-24-2022 12:23 PM

Seeing Simons latest P2 Sky God promo made me wonder if i could make all those acese if i tryed an hour a day over a years time, , , , Simon is truely the "Sky God"

seedlings 06-24-2022 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3818307)
Seeing Simons latest P2 Sky God promo made me wonder if i could make all those acese if i tryed an hour a day over a years time, , , , Simon is truely the "Sky God"

That is a classic Simon video! Although, he was only throwing in one disc at a time.

I have been throwing the Premium Sensei, and it’s a great disc, but sadly no throw-ins or aces. I will be looking for some flattish Sky God IV to transition over, and start acing it up, I’m pretty sure.

Agarner14 06-30-2022 08:31 AM

DM,

First off, congrats on the Sky God 4 Release - Sold out pretty quickly though it seems like there were enough to go around between other online retailers and brick & mortar stores. Simon is drawing huge attention. I hope he gets another limited release soon. Maybe the MD1?

Question: What is the update on the membership program that was hinted at in last year's survey? Is this still something in the works or just not happening at all? I think the concept of a membership program is very attractive for those of who enjoy supporting DM, but are interested in taking it to a different level in reward for special perks.

Jolt 07-03-2022 12:17 PM

I hope Discmania can get the MD1 out. . thats a new disc that Simon actually throws. . most of his bag is old stuff that never going to be made again. . .but the MD1 is one of the few new ones he throws. . .please make some

Dubbsy 07-03-2022 02:44 PM

I use my md1 a lot more than I thought I would. I had always used my putter for straight shots between trees before this.

I'd love a production run one at some point so I can stop throwing the one I wouldn't be able to replace if I was to lose it. Which has already almost happened twice.

krooster 07-10-2022 04:33 PM

When can we expect to see the new P1's?

jskew113 07-13-2022 12:28 PM

Good job on the release today. Don't see how anyone who wanted in was not able to pick up what they want.

Stoked to get my order.

seedlings 07-13-2022 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jskew113 (Post 3822561)
Good job on the release today. Don't see how anyone who wanted in was not able to pick up what they want.

Stoked to get my order.

Agree.

I asked locally and the Metal Flake FD3 wasn’t available to retailers, unlike the Rainmaker (I’m staying with the P2). I hate paying taxes AND shipping… but I grabbed two FD3 anyway because wife said ok. Wanted to feel them first. No wing image Discmania?

Dubbsy 07-13-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3822592)
Agree.

I asked locally and the Metal Flake FD3 wasn’t available to retailers, unlike the Rainmaker (I’m staying with the P2). I hate paying taxes AND shipping… but I grabbed two FD3 anyway because wife said ok. Wanted to feel them first. No wing image Discmania?

I held off on the fd3. It was in my cart, but figured the wife wouldn't have been ok with the putters and the fd3s.

Was a tough call... Debated whether I wanted to argue why I needed more drivers.

Monocacy 07-13-2022 04:00 PM

Hi Discmania - Follow up from a year ago:

S-FD used to be my workhorse fairway driver, and I miss it since switching to lighter drivers (162 grams or less). Recently, Innova produced a batch of light Star Hawkeyes (S-FD equivalent, as I understand it) so I ordered a pile at 162-163 grams to test.

I realize that Discmania has a ton on its plate right now. Perhaps lightweight S-FDs will be available by 2023? I may need some backups by then. ;)

There are lots of creaky old disc golfers like me who prefer lighter discs. I suspect that Discmania is missing part of its potential market.

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3731143)
Once you get the new operation up and running, are you likely to make drivers in the 150-162 gram range? I have bagged quite a few Discmania discs over the years (S-FD, S-CD, S-PD, P-PD, S-CD2, etc.), but when I switched to lighter drivers it became difficult or impossible to find discs at my preferred weight.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Discmania_Support (Post 3731356)
It will definitely remain a goal to get weights in this neighborhood but even in 2022 we're not certain it will happen. 165-169g weights should always be an option for now, though.


fishballer06 07-15-2022 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3822614)
Hi Discmania - Follow up from a year ago:

S-FD used to be my workhorse fairway driver, and I miss it since switching to lighter drivers (162 grams or less). Recently, Innova produced a batch of light Star Hawkeyes (S-FD equivalent, as I understand it) so I ordered a pile at 162-163 grams to test.

I realize that Discmania has a ton on its plate right now. Perhaps lightweight S-FDs will be available by 2023? I may need some backups by then. ;)

There are lots of creaky old disc golfers like me who prefer lighter discs. I suspect that Discmania is missing part of its potential market.

Discmania has never been big on lighter weight discs (sub 167g or so). If you need a flippier fairway driver, try the Essence and Genius. You'll probably get the flight you're looking for.

Monocacy 07-15-2022 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fishballer06 (Post 3823006)
Discmania has never been big on lighter weight discs (sub 167g or so).

Truth

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Originally Posted by fishballer06 (Post 3823006)
If you need a flippier fairway driver, try the Essence and Genius. You'll probably get the flight you're looking for.

Thanks, I will check out those discs.

What I am actually looking for is lightweight and nearly stable (think perfectly seasoned 150s DX Teebird in durable plastic). The S-FD offered that flight plus surprisingly good distance for my creaky old arm.

fishballer06 07-15-2022 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3823013)
What I am actually looking for is lightweight and nearly stable (think perfectly seasoned 150s DX Teebird in durable plastic). The S-FD offered that flight plus surprisingly good distance for my creaky old arm.

At one point in time, I was bagging 5 different FD's in varying plastic types and weights. I'm now bagging 2, an Essence, and a Genius. And truthfully, in the woods, I'm finding myself throwing the Essence and Genius more than my FD's.

The Genius is very flippy. Probably very similar to your beat up, paperweight DX Teebirds. But in the premium plastic, it's just what you're looking for.

seedlings 07-15-2022 01:58 PM

Allow me to pile on? Find 165-169 Essences. Easy hyzer flip, straight, fade. Easy slight hyzer, flip and glide right, land flat. Easy high anny that stays on line. Thrown hard it’s a brilliant roller, and maybe the longest disc in your bag on a wide open high distance line. My favorite disc is a 166 Essence. The max weights fly like pros throw the FD, but for regular arms.

Monocacy 07-15-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by seedlings (Post 3823022)
Allow me to pile on? Find 165-169 Essences. Easy hyzer flip, straight, fade. Easy slight hyzer, flip and glide right, land flat. Easy high anny that stays on line. Thrown hard it’s a brilliant roller, and maybe the longest disc in your bag on a wide open high distance line. My favorite disc is a 166 Essence. The max weights fly like pros throw the FD, but for regular arms.

Essence sounds like a lovely disc and I appreciate the suggestion, truly. But I do not throw drivers in those weights any more.

Companies that offer a good selection of drivers in the 150s (Innova, MVP, Axiom) get my business these days. I would love Discmania to join this group at some point, because I used to throw quite a few of their drivers.

Thanks again!

dekdo 07-20-2022 03:32 PM

When are we going to see a stock release of the MD1 in the new C-line plastic?

ttstreamer 07-21-2022 01:55 AM

I would like to see MD3 in Flex3 D-line plastic, any plans for it?

Jolt 07-21-2022 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dekdo (Post 3823966)
When are we going to see a stock release of the MD1 in the new C-line plastic?

In Simons latest Vlog he said that the MD1 will be his nest sig, disc. . så not a "stock" run but maybe the Simon MD1 will be the Stock one?

fishballer06 07-21-2022 01:51 PM

So the new Cloudbreaker mold disc was offically (unoffical) leaked. When can we expect to see those hitting stores?

smarkquart 07-22-2022 12:13 AM

Just a quick shout out - I love the Rainmaker. I went from an inconsistent but usually horrible putter to someone who can put together a decent round with only an occasional miss that can be offset with a big time and or necessary hit.

dekdo 07-22-2022 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3824055)
In Simons latest Vlog he said that the MD1 will be his nest sig, disc. . så not a "stock" run but maybe the Simon MD1 will be the Stock one?

looks like he teased a signature disc, might have been the MD1... cant wait!

Jolt 07-22-2022 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dekdo (Post 3824327)
looks like he teased a signature disc, might have been the MD1... cant wait!

10 min in in the video he says its the MD1.

Dubbsy 07-22-2022 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by smarkquart (Post 3824315)
Just a quick shout out - I love the Rainmaker. I went from an inconsistent but usually horrible putter to someone who can put together a decent round with only an occasional miss that can be offset with a big time and or necessary hit.

I switched over to rainmakers when the box came out. Added a pair of glows too. I'm a bit surprised there isn't a thread about them. I rely on them a lot during rounds.

dekdo 07-23-2022 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3824331)
10 min in in the video he says its the MD1.

Guess I missed that lol

Jolt 07-25-2022 06:56 AM

Discmania "must" make a disc for Eagles win, wonder what it will be?
Has his bag changed no that he don´t throw any FH. . it´s hard to tell his bag from the DGN videos

discerdoo 07-25-2022 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3825073)
Discmania "must" make a disc for Eagles win, wonder what it will be?
Has his bag changed no that he don´t throw any FH. . it´s hard to tell his bag from the DGN videos

So you're telling me that Eagle won the European Open? Thanks bruh!

Monkeypaws 07-26-2022 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jolt (Post 3825073)
Discmania "must" make a disc for Eagles win, wonder what it will be?
Has his bag changed no that he don´t throw any FH. . it´s hard to tell his bag from the DGN videos

It should be a lefty disc for sure.

jskew113 07-27-2022 09:19 AM

Will the new Creator Series Cloudbreakers be available to retailers or DM Factory Store Exclusive?

Dang those Triumph Series preorders went quick.


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