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Improbably 05-07-2019 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JRW III (Post 3448926)
Yet that is where the current model is for most of the larger tournaments. Local clubs raises money, invests time, taps their sponsor base and at the end of the day, a touring pro comes in and takes the money not to return until next year.

This is insane to me yet many of the people volunteering for the profit of others are happy to do it. They are excited to be part of a pro walking away with their money. For some people the hard ROI analysis seems to completely shut off when a little hero worship enters the equation...

DavidSauls 05-07-2019 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Improbably (Post 3449004)
This is insane to me yet many of the people volunteering for the profit of others are happy to do it. They are excited to be part of a pro walking away with their money. For some people the hard ROI analysis seems to completely shut off when a little hero worship enters the equation...

I look at hosting a tournament in the same spirit as throwing a party.

If you think about it, it doesn't make sense. You put a lot of effort in and buy a lot of food and drink and invite a lot of people who you hope will show up. Everyone has a good time and is fed and the next day, the host is left paying the cleaning bill.

It's a much better deal to go to a party that someone else is hosting. I'm not sure why we do it; it's certainly not for the ROI.

Three Putt 05-07-2019 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3449008)
I look at hosting a tournament in the same spirit as throwing a party.

If you think about it, it doesn't make sense. You put a lot of effort in and buy a lot of food and drink and invite a lot of people who you hope will show up. Everyone has a good time and is fed and the next day, the host is left paying the cleaning bill.

It's a much better deal to go to a party that someone else is hosting. I'm not sure why we do it; it's certainly not for the ROI.

This is exactly what I tell people. Hosting a PDGA event is a big party we host for ourselves and our friends. We are going to put up a lot of money and basically blow it all. Then we can go to the next town over when they have their party and blow all their cash. Is it responsible? No. Do we like to party? Hell yeah!

So big party it is.

Putt for D'oh 05-07-2019 06:19 PM

PAYOUTS!!!!!

Every time these threads pop up i just have no idea what to say. So many sports you play for maybe a trophy and cost way more to enter. Sure the "player's pack" or equivalent, might be kinda cool with more donated stuff but holy hell so many running, soccer, tennis, swimming tournaments cost more to enter and you are there simply to test your performance and a few get a medal or a trophy. Some running events were everyone gets a medal and a beer ticket but ffs some of those are over a $100 for general entry fee.

On the Am's paying for pro payouts... maybe the "pro" division should cost double what it typically does. I don't have an issue with the cost of any tournament ive seen for an AM division but do look if you are calling yourself a pro and chance to win cash $$ maybe the entry fee should be more than $10 more than mine.

ru4por 05-07-2019 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3449008)
I look at hosting a tournament in the same spirit as throwing a party.

If you think about it, it doesn't make sense. You put a lot of effort in and buy a lot of food and drink and invite a lot of people who you hope will show up. Everyone has a good time and is fed and the next day, the host is left paying the cleaning bill.

It's a much better deal to go to a party that someone else is hosting. I'm not sure why we do it; it's certainly not for the ROI.

Yeah....a party where a group of strangers show up, steal all the booze and knock up your daughter. :p

Discette 05-07-2019 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Three Putt (Post 3449014)
This is exactly what I tell people. Hosting a PDGA event is a big party we host for ourselves and our friends. We are going to put up a lot of money and basically blow it all. Then we can go to the next town over when they have their party and blow all their cash. Is it responsible? No. Do we like to party? Hell yeah!

So big party it is.


This explains how it all started and how some State and Regional Series still work. For example, there are many successful regional series in California: Nor Cal Series, So Cal Series, Cen Cal Series, Sierra Tahoe Series, etc, etc.

Each series is like a pot luck. Each club hosts an event at the home course. All the regional players then get to enjoy an entire buffet of events throughout the competitive season in exchange for hosting one event at their course. Some hosts like to go all out, others do the best they can.

These series are continuing to grow because regional disc golf businesses and promoters see value in bringing their tasty dishes to the pot luck/series.


FYI - A potluck is an American get together where each guest or family member contributes a different, often homemade dish of food to be shared. The key is to coordinate a variety of dishes.

Come to think of it, a regional Disc Golf Series might be more like a chili cook off since everyone brings a different version of the same dish. Some have meat, some don't.<3

Three Putt 05-08-2019 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Discette (Post 3449070)
This explains how it all started and how some State and Regional Series still work. For example, there are many successful regional series in California: Nor Cal Series, So Cal Series, Cen Cal Series, Sierra Tahoe Series, etc, etc.

Each series is like a pot luck. Each club hosts an event at the home course. All the regional players then get to enjoy an entire buffet of events throughout the competitive season in exchange for hosting one event at their course. Some hosts like to go all out, others do the best they can.

These series are continuing to grow because regional disc golf businesses and promoters see value in bringing their tasty dishes to the pot luck/series.


FYI - A potluck is an American get together where each guest or family member contributes a different, often homemade dish of food to be shared. The key is to coordinate a variety of dishes.

Come to think of it, a regional Disc Golf Series might be more like a chili cook off since everyone brings a different version of the same dish. Some have meat, some don't.<3

When you really think about it, it's exactly what you would expect a player-driven organization to do. We put on events that we want to play in. Simple. The payouts are huge because we want to play for huge payouts. Simple. Back in the day the payouts were commonly skewed toward MPO because we wanted to support pro disc golf, and in some places that is still done. Simple.

Really, disc golf in a way is like a kindergarten class where the teacher left and the curriculum was handed over to the students. We have waaayyy too much recess time and snacks, and about twice as much nap time as we really need. It's not the most efficient way to educate, but all the other kindergartners in town want to be in our class. I mean, would you really expect a bunch of kindergartners to do something else?

DanJon 05-08-2019 04:56 PM

So the AM's are all of the preschoolers complaining that the kindergarteners have all the fun?

Three Putt 05-09-2019 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DanJon (Post 3449399)
So the AM's are all of the preschoolers complaining that the kindergarteners have all the fun?

Either that, or preschoolers that need their diaper checked. :|

*tries to pretend I'm not an AM*

ballgolfconvert 05-09-2019 03:28 PM

I would prefer they just did away with most of the players pack. Throw it into prizes instead. They still make the markup, but this way makes it way less murky. If the TD doesn't run a disc shop, then the disc shop should give the TD a discount on the prizes. Max profit paid to all parties should not comprise more than 15-20% of entries paid.

The worst is promising one item in a player pack and then replacing with another cheaper item. Was suppose to get a dri fit shirt last tourney and got a towel instead. I would have played either way, but now i think the TD is a bit cheesy.

And stop stamping the logo's on the side of the disc. None of mine with an offset stamp fly like they should.

As far as pros, when you get a quality pro field, run a pro-am the day before. Put some of those proceeds into paying player appearance fees and boosting the purses.


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