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Karl 05-04-2019 10:41 PM

Even though one could argue that using the term "pro" may be a true misnomer, why does anyone (except really good "pros" who would monetarily benefit from such) wish to 'grow' the "pro" pool? I'm not really sure of the numbers but maybe about 15% of the tournament / organized players now are "pros"...? Can't think of too many other sports where the number is that high....
But in reality there are just several handfuls of REAL pros in the world of dg - the rest are just weekend gamblers.

Improbably 05-04-2019 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DiscFifty (Post 3447900)
Would there be more players turning pro (or at least sooner?) if ams didn't get pay outs such as merch, player packs, etc? :popcorn:

Inferring from the phrasing of your question, you consider more players turning pro a good thing. Is that correct?

CaptainAnhyzer 05-06-2019 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffmonty (Post 3447942)
I personally am playing fewer tournaments already now because the entry fees have gone up so much to pad the pro purse.

NEVER, in my ten years as a TD would i EVER have thought that padding the pro purse with Am entry fees was a good idea. :thmbdown:

I personally think that the PDGA should specifically ban this practice.

VictorB 05-06-2019 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainAnhyzer (Post 3448342)
NEVER, in my ten years as a TD would i EVER have thought that padding the pro purse with Am entry fees was a good idea. :thmbdown:

I personally think that the PDGA should specifically ban this practice.

I'm getting the feeling that a lot people that play tournaments don't really understand how the payouts work, even a little bit. Not you specifically, just quoted to emphasize what an actual TD would say about this "problem"

GMcAtee 05-06-2019 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffmonty (Post 3447942)
I personally am playing fewer tournaments already now because the entry fees have gone up so much to pad the pro purse. I don't care about paying pros, and I don't need more towels/minis/koozies in a player's pack, so the value isn't in it for me anymore. Why pay $70 to play with a bunch of guys I already pay nothing to play all the time with?

I'm alot more selective now.

This exactly. I'm playing less due to the rising entry fees.

Cgkdisc 05-06-2019 12:13 PM

Sounds like some think it's the other way around, i.e., that the way Pro payouts are generated is stifling Amateur growth?:popcorn:

JC17393 05-06-2019 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainAnhyzer (Post 3448342)
NEVER, in my ten years as a TD would i EVER have thought that padding the pro purse with Am entry fees was a good idea. :thmbdown:

I personally think that the PDGA should specifically ban this practice.

Let's be clear here instead of continuing to perpetuate the falsehood that TDs are routinely taking from the ams to give to the pros. Using the retail profit on am prizes and player pack items as added cash in the pro division is not padding the pro purse with am entry fees. It's padding the pro purse with club/vendor/TD profits. There is ZERO reason for the PDGA to ban this practice.

I'm all for the discussion of reducing amateur entry fees and reducing the swag/prize arms race that has been building and building for decades now, but can we do it in good faith without mis-characterizing how things work for most tournaments?

biscoe 05-06-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JC17393 (Post 3448428)
Let's be clear here instead of continuing to perpetuate the falsehood that TDs are routinely taking from the ams to give to the pros. Using the retail profit on am prizes and player pack items as added cash in the pro division is not padding the pro purse with am entry fees. It's padding the pro purse with club/vendor/TD profits. There is ZERO reason for the PDGA to ban this practice.

I'm all for the discussion of reducing amateur entry fees and reducing the swag/prize arms race that has been building and building for decades now, but can we do it in good faith without mis-characterizing how things work for most tournaments?

Amen.

biscoe 05-06-2019 01:05 PM

The fact that players don't turn pro as rapidly now as they once did is a good thing for all involved other than the 980 local pro guys. it is merely a correction to the ass backwards way the "sport" began when there were pros but no ams. I believe pro divisions other than at the big events are going to continue to decline for a while. The ams who have a chance to accomplish anything in the pro divisions continue to move up in this area- the ones who are already peaking and don't have much chance of pro success no longer are- nothing wrong with that.

riltim 05-06-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JC17393 (Post 3448428)
Let's be clear here instead of continuing to perpetuate the falsehood that TDs are routinely taking from the ams to give to the pros. Using the retail profit on am prizes and player pack items as added cash in the pro division is not padding the pro purse with am entry fees. It's padding the pro purse with club/vendor/TD profits. There is ZERO reason for the PDGA to ban this practice.

I'm all for the discussion of reducing amateur entry fees and reducing the swag/prize arms race that has been building and building for decades now, but can we do it in good faith without mis-characterizing how things work for most tournaments?

From a consumer perspective if the TD is charging me $40 and giving $10 to the Open payout he could have just charged me $30 and added nothing. I don't gain anything from my extra $10 going to the open field.


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