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bsammons 10-26-2019 01:44 AM

How much disc speed is really needed?
 
I have a quick question for all of you.
Iím 5í11 but I have small hands. Like, medium rubber glove kinda small hands. Moderate to slightly large female kind of small hands. Iíll get to that later.
I throw kinda far, currently reworking form but the other day hit 550 with a distance driver (moderately OS catalyst; speed 13) however, on a similar rip, I tossed a Volt 475-500 (speed 8). I was sitting here thinking to myself tonight after throwing a little bit just how much more consistently I throw my Volts than my distance drivers, and how they arenít too far off distance wise. Iím pretty sure thatís because of my smaller hands, listed above, but in addition to similar flights I also feel like I get consistently more snap off the smaller rim. So hereís the main question/s.

How much more distance do you get with your max distance drivers vs control drivers?

How much more accurate are you with your control drivers?

What are the benefits/drawbacks to completely ditching the high speed stuff in favor of slightly more lower speed stuff?

Look forward to reading what yíall have to say :D

Sethamphetamine 10-26-2019 02:21 AM

1. 50-75 feet it seems?

2. More accurate.

3. See above?

Thmz 10-26-2019 06:49 AM

1. Looking at my control drivers/fairway drivers, i can push my Teebird3 up to 400ft maybe even 415ft if i really want. But usually i stick to 375-400ft. Then PD's, the beat up ones i bag i can push to 430-440ft. Usually if the hole is flat ground under 400ft i grab a Teebird3 and if it is under 430-440ft i grab a PD. But right at that 440ft mark i'm really thinking about pulling out a distance driver.

For distancedrivers while still maintaining control, i use Destroyers. Definitely not the fastest or longest, but gives me almost PD-accuracy with an added 25ft. So Destroyers i can push to 460-470ft with a decent accuracy. If the hole is a flat ground, 500ft, i have to throw a Boss. More speed, more glide, but also more lateral movement and loss of accuracy.

So in my thoughts i'm always trying to throw the slowest disc possible for the most amount of accuracy. I feel most confident with my PD's so that's kinda my go to, if i'm just looking for straight distance.

I feel like the benefits of the high speed stuff is in higher lines, like high hyzers or anhyzers. I also get a lot more fade out of a Destroyer when compared to a PD. But then again, there is a par-5 on my homecourse, the sweet spot is at 400ft and it has a wide open hyzer line. I throw a PD2 or a Destroyer, always, because i need the fade and left movement.

racer93 10-26-2019 07:37 AM

If you watch Jomez or anyone else with good knowledge of what the guys are throwing, VERY FEW throws are full-on distance drivers. Even at that, most aren't going more than a Wraith anymore. There are exceptions, but the trend is absolutely toward slower but more accurate discs. IOW, all out distance is not king. Accurate distance is.

Jolt 10-26-2019 09:30 AM

Fun to see Calvin throw his Eagle in the DGPT finale...that’s a 7-seed disc and he throw that thing accurately and far

Moose33 10-26-2019 10:31 AM

On BH throws I consistently throw my Stags around 400 and if I throw something faster(King, Tern, DDX) I can throw them farther but only by maybe 25-30 ft.

On FH throws however I hit 400 or thereabouts with my Flare or Firebird, and can throw my Warhorse, Ape or Enforcer at least 450 and have hit over 500 on a good rip. So being able to throw the disc fast enough to use it how it’s intended is part of it.

But more and more I play rounds and never pull anything faster than a speed 9.

But honestly if your throwing that far, just do what works and worry about other parts of your game. I spent too many years chasing throwing farther and didn’t work on controlled shorter shots or putting and if I had it probably would have helped more.

SD86 10-26-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bsammons (Post 3512209)
Iím 5í11 but I have small hands. Like, medium rubber glove kinda small hands. Moderate to slightly large female kind of small hands. Iíll get to that later.

(snip)

Iím pretty sure thatís because of my smaller hands, listed above, but in addition to similar flights I also feel like I get consistently more snap off the smaller rim. So hereís the main question/s.

How much more distance do you get with your max distance drivers vs control drivers?

How much more accurate are you with your control drivers?

What are the benefits/drawbacks to completely ditching the high speed stuff in favor of slightly more lower speed stuff?

I'm not sure it's the size of your hands that's the issue, but it sounds like you have good snap as well as decent enough form that you're throwing for good distances.

As to how much SPEED you NEED... and to answer your last question: it's a relative thing. Paul McBeth can throw his Luna 500 ft.+ and he could throw a Nova 350 ft. on a frozen rope. Not all of us can do that, but my point is that some people can and do throw lower speed discs a very long way.

My rule of thumb is to throw the lowest speed disc that gets the job done. For noodle-armed me, my 13-speed Shryke goes 30-40 ft. further than my 9-speed Sphinx or 10-speed Beast, so on longer, open holes it makes sense to throw the Shryke if that extra distance will make a difference. Otherwise, and especially if I'm going for disc placement over sheer distance, I'll throw the Sphinx or even the 7-speed Leopard3, and sacrifice the 30-50 feet to set up for my next shot.

So if there are holes on your favorite courses where you get more distance from a higher-speed driver, take it with you. If there's simply not enough difference, leave the high-speed disc at home and put in another slower-speed disc (an approach or mid, even) for accuracy.

Twmccoy 10-26-2019 07:33 PM

Every speed disc has a place, assuming you have the arm for them.

The OG poster seems to throw ridiculously far with slow drivers. He won't need to even bother with speed 13-14.

I personally carry a few fast drivers in the bag. On holes where you can really rip they do produce more distance for me than slower drivers. I will readily admit that the faster you go up in speed, the less accuracy/consistency you'll see in your drives. Everyone knows no two Destroyers are the same. Faster drivers in general definitely have consistency issues in production.

Now, to answer the real question. Does anyone NEED really fast drivers? Probably not. I could play almost any course around here adequately throwing nothing faster than a Thunderbird. My max distance with a Thunderbird is about 400'. Now, when I step up to a Boss, Nuke, or Shryke I can tack at least 30' on that. Furthermore, throwing fast drivers at times adds an element of fun to the game. I don't want to drive every hole with a Thunderbird. It gets boring. There are certain drives I find on the course where a Thunderbird just isn't quite long enough.

The key when throwing high speed drivers is knowing when to reach for them and when to sacrifice distance for consistency and accuracy.

Twmccoy 10-26-2019 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SD86 (Post 3512262)
I'm not sure it's the size of your hands that's the issue, but it sounds like you have good snap as well as decent enough form that you're throwing for good distances.

As to how much SPEED you NEED... and to answer your last question: it's a relative thing. Paul McBeth can throw his Luna 500 ft.+ and he could throw a Nova 350 ft. on a frozen rope. Not all of us can do that, but my point is that some people can and do throw lower speed discs a very long way.

My rule of thumb is to throw the lowest speed disc that gets the job done. For noodle-armed me, my 13-speed Shryke goes 30-40 ft. further than my 9-speed Sphinx or 10-speed Beast, so on longer, open holes it makes sense to throw the Shryke if that extra distance will make a difference. Otherwise, and especially if I'm going for disc placement over sheer distance, I'll throw the Sphinx or even the 7-speed Leopard3, and sacrifice the 30-50 feet to set up for my next shot.

So if there are holes on your favorite courses where you get more distance from a higher-speed driver, take it with you. If there's simply not enough difference, leave the high-speed disc at home and put in another slower-speed disc (an approach or mid, even) for accuracy.


This sentence is the key to the whole thing. Throw the slowest disc that will reach the distance you need. I learned this the hard way. I'd try to take too much off of fast drivers for shorter throws when I should have just grabbed a Teebird or something. Trying to feather a Boss 350' is way harder than taking a full rip with a Teebird.

Any good disc golfer should know how to adequately throw discs of any speed..... and also know what situations to throw those discs in.

Casey 1988 10-26-2019 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Twmccoy (Post 3512439)
This sentence is the key to the whole thing. Throw the slowest disc that will reach the distance you need. I learned this the hard way. I'd try to take too much off of fast drivers for shorter throws when I should have just grabbed a Teebird or something. Trying to feather a Boss 350' is way harder than taking a full rip with a Teebird.

Any good disc golfer should know how to adequately throw discs of any speed..... and also know what situations to throw those discs in.

I agree, rarely do you see an experienced player throwing a Valkyrie or Beast into a strong headwind of more then 25 mph. Then again into a not heavy headwind you see the experienced player using a flatter top almost flat top Star Valkyrie if they still want to use the mold, into a light headwind for me it is ~15 to ~20-25 mph with an almost flat top Destroyer.


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