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Smigles 02-19-2021 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DG_player (Post 3691629)
Are you going to shell out some money for a Covid test only so you can find yourself positive and have to miss 2 weeks of work without pay?

I know this is not the politics forum. But seriously. Companies not paying sick time should be illegal.

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Originally Posted by BogeyNoMore (Post 3691640)
It's not that Covid discriminates. But no way in hell it affects high income individuals and their families the same as it affects those of lower incomes.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWRElQfW...name=4096x4096

Therealgoat 02-19-2021 07:29 AM

I'm also in construction and we've had pretty good success at limiting spread through work, as far as I know. We've had several jobsites shut down when positive cases are identified until everyone gets tested and we can get back to work safely. It was a month after the fact I found out someone in my office had been positive, I was a little miffed they didn't tell me, but they obviously informed everyone he had a meeting with and I wasn't on the list, so there was no reason (medical privacy and all). No other cases spread through my office, and I think the biggest jobsite spread we've had was 13 out of several hundred (a lot from out of state) on a large job, that then shut down and was able to reopen a few weeks later. We work across half the country, have several people that travel regularly, and our jobsites employ all kinds of backgrounds from all kinds of locations, but I've been impressed with our record to date.

We have good insurance and the company pays for all tests, makes it a no-brainer to live on the cautious side and get tested whenever you're in doubt. We have to fill out a survey to be cleared for work every day.

BogeyNoMore 02-19-2021 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Smigles (Post 3691690)

This should be required reading. :clap: :clap: :clap:

uncle pennybags 02-19-2021 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Smigles (Post 3691690)
I know this is not the politics forum. But seriously. Companies not paying sick time should be illegal.

Mine doesn't for it's hourly employees. The salary folk can use vacation as sick time. We have something like 3,500 people in 4 states.

We do currently get up to 80 hours of paid covid leave. Not sure if that's per year or a one time deal.

dysmike 02-19-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by uncle pennybags (Post 3691747)
Mine doesn't for it's hourly employees. The salary folk can use vacation as sick time. We have something like 3,500 people in 4 states.

We do currently get up to 80 hours of paid covid leave. Not sure if that's per year or a one time deal.

Pretty much only the US and China (and China has a whole lot more national holidays) operate in this manner. Just an observation. It's weird for me (too) not having people view the relationship between business and labor as being symbiotic.

dysmike 02-19-2021 04:48 PM

For those in the US, who may be wondering how to go about getting a vaccination..


https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-in-your-state

medic5888 02-19-2021 09:01 PM

good news came out today. Pfizers first shot is 92% effective. Also it has been found it can be stored in a normal freezer. Maybe this will speed up things.

ru4por 02-19-2021 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by medic5888 (Post 3691957)
good news came out today. Pfizers first shot is 92% effective. Also it has been found it can be stored in a normal freezer. Maybe this will speed up things.

You are saying that getting the first shot only is 92% effective?

I am not sure that freezer space or vaccine temp is a sticking point with distribution.

But either way, this sounds like good news!

ru4por 02-19-2021 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3691966)
You are saying that getting the first shot only is 92% effective?

I am not sure that freezer space or vaccine temp is a sticking point with distribution.

But either way, this sounds like good news!

Answered my own question here. I was only really thinking nationally, not globally.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN2AJ1CJ

DavidSauls 02-19-2021 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by medic5888 (Post 3691957)
good news came out today. Pfizers first shot is 92% effective. Also it has been found it can be stored in a normal freezer. Maybe this will speed up things.

Somebody smarter than I can check this, but I think the concern is that one-shot may not last nearly as long as two shots. With the caveat that we don't know how long 2 will last, either. But I believe that was the hesitance in not just giving people 1 shot, to double the number of recipients.

Though even if so, it would be nice to know that sooner after the first shot, you're protected.

dysmike 02-19-2021 09:32 PM

It's very possible we'll have to get regular boosters anyway. It's pretty clear that this will end up just being another endemic corona virus.

DavidSauls 02-19-2021 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dysmike (Post 3691982)
It's very possible we'll have to get regular boosters anyway. It's pretty clear that this will end up just being another endemic corona virus.

Yeah, I expect annual booster shots to be a part of life.

My understanding that the difference in the hoped-for period of immunity, between just 1 shot and 2 shots, is significant enough to keep the recommendation for 2 shots. Otherwise, it would make more sense to give everyone 1 shot and vaccinate twice as many people, but it seems most experts are sticking with "2". Not all, but most.

dysmike 02-19-2021 11:02 PM

February 11 Update: We changed the page title from “Path to Herd Immunity” to “Path to Normality”. Our modeling suggests that it is increasingly unlikely that we will reach theoretical herd immunity in 2021

https://covid19-projections.com/path-to-herd-immunity/

ru4por 02-19-2021 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dysmike (Post 3691996)
February 11 Update: We changed the page title from “Path to Herd Immunity” to “Path to Normality”. Our modeling suggests that it is increasingly unlikely that we will reach theoretical herd immunity in 2021

https://covid19-projections.com/path-to-herd-immunity/

Theoretical is an operative word. But, whether the theory is reality or simply a hypothesis is not likely to matter. It is becoming quite apparent that there will be enough people who just will not get the vaccine, to even find out.

The new normal for me is once everyone who wants a shot, has got one.

dysmike 02-19-2021 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3691997)
Theoretical is an operative word. But, whether the theory is reality or simply a hypothesis is not likely to matter. It is becoming quite apparent that there will be enough people who just will not get the vaccine, to even find out.

The new normal for me is once everyone who wants a shot, has got one.

Agreed. Several weeks ago, the model was predicting 80% by summertime. I guess a lot of people enjoy living during a pandemic.


Then again, there's also tidbits like various governors either already having dropped numbers of doses going to politically oppositional counties (arizona) or threatening to (florida)

medic5888 02-20-2021 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3691979)
Somebody smarter than I can check this, but I think the concern is that one-shot may not last nearly as long as two shots. With the caveat that we don't know how long 2 will last, either. But I believe that was the hesitance in not just giving people 1 shot, to double the number of recipients.

Though even if so, it would be nice to know that sooner after the first shot, you're protected.

Oh I 100% agree David both are needed, but with all the bad news we keep getting this was just a bump in positivity for me.

medic5888 02-20-2021 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3691966)
You are saying that getting the first shot only is 92% effective?

I am not sure that freezer space or vaccine temp is a sticking point with distribution.

But either way, this sounds like good news!

Yeah read 2 different articles about it. Like I said to David any good news is welcome.

DavidSauls 02-20-2021 10:02 PM

I saw that a preliminary study has indicated the mRNA viruses are giving protection against infection, and not just disease. If that proves true, it would be great news for getting back to something like normal.

VictorB 02-20-2021 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3692168)
mRNA viruses

can we at least use the proper terminology? mRNA isn't a virus, not a normal vaccination like the influenza shot. It's basically pre-programming your immune system to recognize the protein spikes

DavidSauls 02-21-2021 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by VictorB (Post 3692176)
can we at least use the proper terminology? mRNA isn't a virus, not a normal vaccination like the influenza shot. It's basically pre-programming your immune system to recognize the protein spikes

Oops.

Not the first time I've interchanged "virus" and "vaccine" when typing, and unfortunately, spell-check isn't fool-check.

autocrosscrx 02-21-2021 07:00 AM

My dad got his first shot Friday. He signed up about a month ago. He gets a call at 3:15 on Friday. Get here by 4 o'clock and we got a shot for you. He lives about 30 minutes away from the health department and he has to deal with driving through 3 school zones and Friday work traffic, but he gets there. My mom becomes eligible on Monday. They wouldn't let her get a shot.

My aunt and uncle signed up back in December and still haven't gotten calls. Makes no sense, but I'm glad my dad got a first shot.

ru4por 02-21-2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by autocrosscrx (Post 3692207)
My dad got his first shot Friday. He signed up about a month ago. He gets a call at 3:15 on Friday. Get here by 4 o'clock and we got a shot for you. He lives about 30 minutes away from the health department and he has to deal with driving through 3 school zones and Friday work traffic, but he gets there. My mom becomes eligible on Monday. They wouldn't let her get a shot.

My aunt and uncle signed up back in December and still haven't gotten calls. Makes no sense, but I'm glad my dad got a first shot.

Sounds like an end of the day, extra dose. Use it or waste it. Make some calls to the next few on the list and hope to use them up. Bonus!!!

Broken Shoulder 02-21-2021 01:13 PM

Taking Mom to get her first dose on Tuesday.
I'm not thrilled to have to risk her riding in the car with me, but the reality is I've had less contact with other people than anyone I know.

autocrosscrx 02-21-2021 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3692248)
Sounds like an end of the day, extra dose. Use it or waste it. Make some calls to the next few on the list and hope to use them up. Bonus!!!

Maybe. They advertised that you'd only have a 30 minute window from the get go and a lot of people have been publically vocal about that because rural east Tennessee doesn't always offer a straight path from A to B. He was very happy to get the extra 15 minutes.:)

Monocacy 02-21-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Broken Shoulder (Post 3692256)
Taking Mom to get her first dose on Tuesday.
I'm not thrilled to have to risk her riding in the car with me, but the reality is I've had less contact with other people than anyone I know.

Safest way to ride in the car is 1) masks and 2) windows open.

Which could be a ticket to hypothermia in MN, of course. :|

Broken Shoulder 02-21-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3692259)
Safest way to ride in the car is 1) masks and 2) windows open.

Which could be a ticket to hypothermia in MN, of course. :|

We just had our long below zero stretch.
Tuesday will be balmy by comparison. We'll survive. :)

Halcón 02-21-2021 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Broken Shoulder (Post 3692256)
Taking Mom to get her first dose on Tuesday.
I'm not thrilled to have to risk her riding in the car with me, but the reality is I've had less contact with other people than anyone I know.

I hope it all goes well. :thmbup:

NeverLostAdisc 02-21-2021 02:45 PM

Looking back on history one might conclude that our governments are lying out their butts. Where are all the dead people that were promised? Why was the death count in the United states near the same in 2019? what happened to the flu? Why aren't hospitals even near capacity if this is a pandemic?

DiscFifty 02-21-2021 03:24 PM

^^^ Hospitalizations are down 50% the past month according to ABC. :clap:

DavidSauls 02-21-2021 03:36 PM

I believe the "same number of deaths as 2019" has been debunked. The missing flu is self-evident. Hospitals were very near capacity here, particularly the ICUs, and I believe so elsewhere. Perhaps the refrigeration trucks storing bodies were just for show.

But, hey, I'm very impressed that virtually all of the governments in the world -- democracies, socialists, dictators -- could agree on and maintain the same lie. It's rare that they work together like that, and keep their plans secret for so long. Maybe that bodes well for solving climate change.

ru4por 02-21-2021 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NeverLostAdisc (Post 3692267)
Looking back on history one might conclude that our governments are lying out their butts. Where are all the dead people that were promised? Why was the death count in the United states near the same in 2019? what happened to the flu? Why aren't hospitals even near capacity if this is a pandemic?

Always glad to see such interest and curiosity. I have found, the best answers to our questions are found by researching them. Please feel free to peruse the pages of this thread. There is a wealth of information within and some answers to your queries. Secondly, I highly encourage some hours spent searching and reading research papers. There is now a lot of data that has been collected, and lots of very smart scientist that have spent months pouring over the data, to come up supportable hypothesis. Feel free to share any of the above you find interesting.

BogeyNoMore 02-21-2021 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3692259)
Safest way to ride in the car is 1) masks and 2) windows open.

Which could be a ticket to hypothermia in MN, of course. :|

Probs not a bad idea for mom to ride in the back seat. Might as well rent a limo and BS can chauffer her in style.

Broken Shoulder 02-21-2021 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BogeyNoMore (Post 3692305)
Probs not a bad idea for mom to ride in the back seat. Might as well rent a limo and BS can chauffer her in style.

I've got a Buick.
Close enough.

DavidSauls 02-21-2021 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Broken Shoulder (Post 3692256)
Taking Mom to get her first dose on Tuesday.
I'm not thrilled to have to risk her riding in the car with me, but the reality is I've had less contact with other people than anyone I know.

I think this definitely falls in the category of the benefit justifying the risk.

That is, the chances that you're the one who gives her Covid, being far less than the chances that someone else does later, if she doesn't get the shot.

Broken Shoulder 02-21-2021 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3692312)
I think this definitely falls in the category of the benefit justifying the risk.

That is, the chances that you're the one who gives her Covid, being far less than the chances that someone else does later, if she doesn't get the shot.

For sure. And, if not me, someone else has to take her. I'll roll the dice.

ru4por 02-22-2021 03:22 PM

Though I don't consider Fauci the end all, be all resource for COVID, I do consider him an authority. Below is essentially an opinion piece by AF. The reason I am posting it is some of the staggering numbers it presents. Like.....

-The U.S. has by far the highest death toll, with at least 498,901 lives lost, followed by Brazil with 246,504 fatalities, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

-One in every 656 Americans has now succumbed to the virus. With 525,600 minutes in one year, 500,000 deaths is equivalent to approximately one American dying from COVID-19 per minute for almost an entire year.

-In total, 13% of the population (42.8 million people) has received one or more vaccine doses while 5% of the population (17.9 million people) has received two doses, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

The harm is so great and we are really a long way from safe or normal. Despite the light at the end of the tunnel, the vaccine almost gives me more worry, than solace. Americans struggle mightily to do what is needed to keep each other safe, any belief that 20% of the population vaccinated changes anything, is frightening.



DG_player 02-22-2021 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3692568)
Though I don't consider Fauci the end all, be all resource for COVID, I do consider him an authority. Below is essentially an opinion piece by AF. The reason I am posting it is some of the staggering numbers it presents. Like.....

-The U.S. has by far the highest death toll, with at least 498,901 lives lost, followed by Brazil with 246,504 fatalities, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

-One in every 656 Americans has now succumbed to the virus. With 525,600 minutes in one year, 500,000 deaths is equivalent to approximately one American dying from COVID-19 per minute for almost an entire year.

-In total, 13% of the population (42.8 million people) has received one or more vaccine doses while 5% of the population (17.9 million people) has received two doses, according to the Department of Health and Human Services.

The harm is so great and we are really a long way from safe or normal. Despite the light at the end of the tunnel, the vaccine almost gives me more worry, than solace. Americans struggle mightily to do what is needed to keep each other safe, any belief that 20% of the population vaccinated changes anything, is frightening.



How am I not surprised that you would be able find some sort of negative about the vaccine and reasons to be pessimistic.

Cheer up dude! Here's some positive info for you:

Daily US cases, are down to a third off their peak. Hospitalizations are half of the peak. Daily deaths are almost half and continue to plummet.

At the current vaccination rate, anyone 65+ (the people who make up 80% of deaths) should have had an opportunity at least getting the first dose within a month or two.

Riverdog 02-22-2021 06:30 PM

My 95 year old mother got her first vax today... after having a minimal case in July. Oh yeah, she broke her second hip two weeks ago and had the femoral device installed that same day. Physically she's the energizer bunny. [emoji106] Haven't seen her in over a year.


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Jay Dub 02-22-2021 06:50 PM

We were told that the next phase, 60 and over which includes me, is up next but they don't know when.

So I don't have a time yet but they are thinking about me. :)

DanJon 02-22-2021 07:45 PM

My second shot is next week Monday.

My mom will have her second a couple of days after that and my sister will get her first hopefully within a month.

Meanwhile, my partner has no idea when she will be eligible.

I know we have a long way to go, but it does give me hope.


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