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Broken Shoulder 11-20-2020 12:46 PM

The focus on deaths is because it's the smallest number and the one used to justify not giving a $hit about other people.

joecoin 11-21-2020 01:19 AM

What's the over/under on dead people in the streets?

txmxer 11-21-2020 01:53 AM

I think most here would agree, the virus in a one in one battle is not scary. It’s not Ebola.

It is prolific.

If it is allowed to spread up contained the death toll will be multiples of the treatable death toll. If one person is sick, they get quality care and the likely outcome is ~99% survivable. If 10,000 get sick, a lot of people that would not die do. And of course there is collateral damage.

I have to say this here because I encountered a person face to face of the opinion “people die” and it’s not that bad. I’ve been around long enough to know I cannot discuss the more refined elements with certain people. Congrats, you guys get my rant.

Jim Jeffries, “we can all do better”

jakebake91 11-21-2020 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3659940)

I have to say this here because I encountered a person face to face of the opinion “people die” and it’s not that bad. I’ve been around long enough to know I cannot discuss the more refined elements with certain people. Congrats, you guys get my rant.

Need further proof that 2020 is a sh!t show??? DGCR is "refined" people!!!

txmxer 11-21-2020 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3660080)
Need further proof that 2020 is a sh!t show??? DGCR is "refined" people!!!

No but you are captive and can’t interrupt me with”awe com’on man....you buyin’ that BS?”

;)

jakebake91 11-22-2020 10:31 AM

I had an epiphany on how we can help the healthcare system. What we need is a stamp of some kind. Everytime we see a Covidiot, we should put a stamp on their head. Every person in the bars, stamp them. The anti maskers, stamp them. The college kids still throwing huge ass house parties. Yep, stamp them. Then, they are not allowed to tie up a healthcare bed later on. We can just tell them it's a hoax, it'll be fine! Go home. Oh you can't breathe? "Oh people die" You made your bed, go lay in it.

DavidSauls 11-22-2020 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3660237)
I had an epiphany on how we can help the healthcare system. What we need is a stamp of some kind. Everytime we see a Covidiot, we should put a stamp on their head. Every person in the bars, stamp them. The anti maskers, stamp them. The college kids still throwing huge ass house parties. Yep, stamp them. Then, they are not allowed to tie up a healthcare bed later on. We can just tell them it's a hoax, it'll be fine! Go home. Oh you can't breathe? "Oh people die" You made your bed, go lay in it.

I suggested something along these lines -- a license to not lock down or wear masks that people could apply for, but it would require a tattoo identifying them, and ban them from hospitals. I'd want the ban extended to necessary locations, like grocery stores and government offices, so their foolishness doesn't harm others. But after that, yeah, party on, have your concerts, fill your bars.

JuanA 11-22-2020 01:22 PM

This alert arrived on my phone this morning. First time getting something like this since it all started.

“This region is at severe risk from deadly COVID. Use caution,”

DavidSauls 11-22-2020 01:34 PM

If, at this time a year ago, someone predicted a headline like "National Guard called out to assist with morgue crisis", I would have imagined a nuclear explosion or asteroid or something, and not just a stupidity epidemic.

ru4por 11-22-2020 05:46 PM

Maybe some here can be helped by this pretty succinct article. A COVID test is ONLY a snapshot in time. Some good info for the holidays.

https://news.yahoo.com/no-negative-c...163854422.html

JedV 11-22-2020 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3660353)
Maybe some here can be helped by this pretty succinct article. A COVID test is ONLY a snapshot in time. Some good info for the holidays.

https://news.yahoo.com/no-negative-c...163854422.html



Exactly. A negative test can provide a false sense of security.

My take from working in public health in my previous career:
A) tests are imperfect.
B) incubation periods variable, ie the time it takes for the virus to replicate inside your cells is unpredictable. Take the test too early, there will no nothing to detect. Take the test too late, you've already exposed others.

Countchunkula 11-22-2020 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jakebake91 (Post 3660237)
I had an epiphany on how we can help the healthcare system. What we need is a stamp of some kind. Everytime we see a Covidiot, we should put a stamp on their head. Every person in the bars, stamp them. The anti maskers, stamp them. The college kids still throwing huge ass house parties. Yep, stamp them. Then, they are not allowed to tie up a healthcare bed later on. We can just tell them it's a hoax, it'll be fine! Go home. Oh you can't breathe? "Oh people die" You made your bed, go lay in it.

Maybe a scarlet C?

Ess-dog 11-22-2020 11:26 PM

Just saw a video of anti lockdown folks burning masks in washington square. At a certain point its exhausting to deal with these "99.9% of people are going to be fine" zealots. Fine let's go kill off a couple million people. I get anti vax irrational fear and being skeptical of science(they really got us with that Piltdown) but to go full Jonestown on a pandemic? If people are angry at the lockdowns enacted because of increases in cases they need to be angry at the lack of relief thats been provided by their govt.

Hampstead 11-22-2020 11:36 PM

I was told that this would disappear after November 3rd. Just checking to see if everything is back to normal yet.

Ess-dog 11-23-2020 12:22 AM

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I was told that this would disappear after November 3rd. Just checking to see if everything is back to normal yet.

Pretty sure it was a hoax.

txmxer 11-23-2020 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ess-dog (Post 3660472)
If people are angry at the lockdowns enacted because of increases in cases they need to be angry at the lack of relief thats been provided by their govt.

They have an answer for that as well.

Part of the socialist cabal attempting to use the virus to make the people dependent on government handouts.

This will result in support for expansion of socialist policies.

Ultimately
No churches/no god except Islam
No capitalism
No guns
Mando abortions
Mando LGBTQ for elementary children (difficult to work this one in with mando Islam)
No sleeping in the right side of the bed.
Children—it’s what’s for dinner.

ru4por 11-23-2020 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3660498)
They have an answer for that as well.

Part of the socialist cabal attempting to use the virus to make the people dependent on government handouts.

This will result in support for expansion of socialist policies.

Ultimately
No churches/no god except Islam
No capitalism
No guns
Mando abortions
Mando LGBTQ for elementary children (difficult to work this one in with mando Islam)
No sleeping in the right side of the bed.
Children—it’s what’s for dinner.

They love the political conspiracy stuff over here.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=136400

Jukeshoe 11-23-2020 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3660498)

Mando abortions

That would make for some gnarly gruesome fairways. :eek:

txmxer 11-23-2020 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ru4por (Post 3660505)
They love the political conspiracy stuff over here.

https://www.dgcoursereview.com/forum...d.php?t=136400

Sorry for the political post. But, most of the debate is driven by politics. If it was science and common sense, this thread would be a a few pages.

Jay Dub 11-23-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by txmxer (Post 3660578)
Sorry for the political post. But, most of the debate is driven by politics. If it was science and common sense, this thread would be a a few pages.

I think most of us have slipped here with the political talk. Hard not to do when almost half the country believes this COVID-19 is a political issue. :wall:

DavidSauls 11-23-2020 11:34 AM

Yes, it's tough tip-toeing around politics. I have to remind myself that the conversation has to be one or the other: Covid-19, or politics. Once it plummets into political screaming, it's over.

It helps me to think that politics doesn't let get the pro-plaguers off the hook; they're responsible for their own conduct.

Thought the temptation.....

shyguy30 11-23-2020 11:58 AM

I understand the frustrations with the general populace and their willful ignorance, but I think we need to stop short of wishing death upon people that do not take the virus as seriously as we do. I wear my mask and keep my distance from others, but we are having a small family get-together for Thanksgiving (9 people is small for my family), which I guess is going against what the CDC has recommended. Feel free to lambast me all you want. But I think there are a lot of people that take the virus seriously but who will engage in "risky" behavior once in a while. I don't see everyone as either an anti-masker or a devout follower of the CDC's recommendations. I think there is a lot of gray area in between. Let's not fall into the trap of this us vs. them thinking that is so prevalent these days.

Jay Dub 11-23-2020 12:04 PM

I don't wish death on them but I'd be OK with the deniers having a very hard time with it themselves.

Brodysseus 11-23-2020 12:10 PM

I'm not wishing death on anyone. I would just rather their ignorance or selfishness impact them instead of somebody else.

DavidSauls 11-23-2020 12:19 PM

It's not the folks in the gray areas that bother me.

Hampstead 11-23-2020 12:38 PM

Offered without political comment

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnhlYk7X...jpg&name=large

ru4por 11-23-2020 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shyguy30 (Post 3660621)
I understand the frustrations with the general populace and their willful ignorance, but I think we need to stop short of wishing death upon people that do not take the virus as seriously as we do. I wear my mask and keep my distance from others, but we are having a small family get-together for Thanksgiving (9 people is small for my family), which I guess is going against what the CDC has recommended. Feel free to lambast me all you want. But I think there are a lot of people that take the virus seriously but who will engage in "risky" behavior once in a while. I don't see everyone as either an anti-masker or a devout follower of the CDC's recommendations. I think there is a lot of gray area in between. Let's not fall into the trap of this us vs. them thinking that is so prevalent these days.

People will do as they wish. Personally, I could not live with myself, if I killed someone I love. Getting together with my family is the LAST thing I would do. I would have a hard time getting over killing strangers, but my kids, wife, mom, sister..........

Monocacy 11-23-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by shyguy30 (Post 3660621)
I understand the frustrations with the general populace and their willful ignorance, but I think we need to stop short of wishing death upon people that do not take the virus as seriously as we do.

I don't wish death on anyone. In fact my fondest wish is for far less death and suffering. Especially when so much of the death and suffering is avoidable.

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Originally Posted by shyguy30 (Post 3660621)
I wear my mask and keep my distance from others, but we are having a small family get-together for Thanksgiving (9 people is small for my family), which I guess is going against what the CDC has recommended. Feel free to lambast me all you want.

No lambasting, just suggestions if you decide to go ahead with the family gathering:

1) Outdoors is safer than indoors.
2) Indoors with windows open is safer than indoors with windows closed.
3) Masks are safer than no masks (but tough to eat turkey through a mask, of course).
4) Stay at least 6 feet from those who do not live in your household. More distance is better, especially indoors.
5) Limit indoor time together.
6) Wash hands or use hand sanitizer regularly.
7) Avoid high-touch objects like serving spoons as much as possible.
8) Travel by car should be safer than travel by plane or train.
9) Too late at this point, but test-quarantine-test would have provided an extra measure of safety.
10) Discuss expectations with guests ahead of time.

I have heard of folks who plan to eat the Thanksgiving meal in the garage, door open, with space heaters. Ventilation is good.

I realize these suggestions sound very non-festive. Maybe that's why I'm a safety guy rather than a party planner. ;)

CDC does have some good holiday guidance. Best wishes to you and your family.

CDC: Celebrating Thanksgiving (clicky)

Monocacy 11-23-2020 01:47 PM

For those who are statistically inclined, FiveThirtyEight has a nice article on the risks of Thanksgiving gatherings this year:

Why Even A Small Thanksgiving is Dangerous | FiveThirtyEight

Georgia Tech has developed a risk planning tool that calculates the chances that at least one person with COVID-19 will attend an event of a given size, by county. For example, this tool calculates a 36% to 60% chance that someone will have COVID-19 at a 10-person event in Boone County, MO.

Wow.

COVID-19 Event Risk Assessment Planning Tool | Georgia Tech

I'm not just picking on MO - the risk in my home county is 13% to 24%, which seems unacceptably high to me.

FWIW, our family has decided against a Thanksgiving get-together this year. We will probably do a Zoom call instead. Fortunately my brother is a disc golfer and we were able to play this weekend. As we were leaving we said, "This will have to count as Thanksgiving this year." :|

McCready 11-23-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DavidSauls (Post 3660287)
If, at this time a year ago, someone predicted a headline like "National Guard called out to assist with morgue crisis", I would have imagined a nuclear explosion or asteroid or something, and not just a stupidity epidemic.

50 million Americans are traveling for Thanksgiving. Should be fine.

DavidSauls 11-23-2020 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by McCready (Post 3660695)
50 million Americans are traveling for Thanksgiving. Should be fine.

It's an interesting world where people are afraid to fly on a 737 Max, but not to crowd into an airport during a pandemic.

Emoney 11-23-2020 02:52 PM

The internet/entertainment is confusing and dividing us. It has allowed so many conspiracies and supports everyones own truth.

You can litterally make up any idea in your head and find evidence to support it online, then easily dismiss counter evidence as a cover up or not truth.

When did "internet search" turn in to "research"?

We are in a transition in america. The ones that grew up with the internet and the ones that didnt.

This will die down once everyone living in america has grown up with the internet and understands how it operates. Probably near the end of my lifetime. (40yrs if im lucky)

Until then...well... it will be what it is.

Other countries will also go through this as they gain country wide internet access.

I am taking the approach of not being upset with ppl or looking down on them. Im beginning to fully understand how they are enabled to come to their own truths.

Its not their fault.

We just have to hang on for the ride and hope for the best during this time. Do your part and try to keep the stress from eating your insides.

DavidSauls 11-23-2020 02:55 PM

I heard the phrase "Truth Decay" today, and figure to employ it myself in the future. Though it works better spoken, than written.

Jay Dub 11-23-2020 02:59 PM

Without giving examples or details:

Did this year separate you from anyone or even back off a little from someone?

I have family members that surprised me. Backed off a little from a few. A few friendships have ended but they weren't strong ones anyway.

DavidSauls 11-23-2020 03:21 PM

I've been quite annoyed with some people, if that counts.

DavidSauls 11-23-2020 03:25 PM

Other than that, my ability to restrain myself from "setting people straight" on social media has probably preserved some relationships.

zontar 11-23-2020 04:17 PM

I've let a few people in my life go. but then, the few I really care about I'm honestly closer to and appreciate more.

Nova P 11-23-2020 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3660726)
Without giving examples or details:

Did this year separate you from anyone or even back off a little from someone?

I have family members that surprised me. Backed off a little from a few. A few friendships have ended but they weren't strong ones anyway.

I was already essentially estranged from my family when the year began, so no loss there. Since I don't keep tabs on what they are doing, saying, or writing, they can no longer disappoint me anew.

My friends circle is small by my choice, and they have all comported themselves very well this year.

ru4por 11-23-2020 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Monocacy (Post 3660683)
For those who are statistically inclined, FiveThirtyEight has a nice article on the risks of Thanksgiving gatherings this year:

Why Even A Small Thanksgiving is Dangerous | FiveThirtyEight

Georgia Tech has developed a risk planning tool that calculates the chances that at least one person with COVID-19 will attend an event of a given size, by county. For example, this tool calculates a 36% to 60% chance that someone will have COVID-19 at a 10-person event in Boone County, MO.

Wow.

COVID-19 Event Risk Assessment Planning Tool | Georgia Tech

I'm not just picking on MO - the risk in my home county is 13% to 24%, which seems unacceptably high to me.

FWIW, our family has decided against a Thanksgiving get-together this year. We will probably do a Zoom call instead. Fortunately my brother is a disc golfer and we were able to play this weekend. As we were leaving we said, "This will have to count as Thanksgiving this year." :|

Holy crap, that risk planning tool is frightening. Just used it to drive home the final nail in my in laws talk of gathering for Thanksgiving.

BogeyNoMore 11-23-2020 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Dub (Post 3660726)
Without giving examples or details:

Did this year separate you from anyone or even back off a little from someone?

I have family members that surprised me. Backed off a little from a few. A few friendships have ended but they weren't strong ones anyway.

Like Nova, I have a small circle, and that's really all I want. I haven't ended any relationship over Covid, but it has curtailed my personal activities quite a bit, despite my efforts to get out when I can.


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